Play Stump the Radical Fundamentalist Right Wing Christian
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Tough day at the office? Well, then take a shot at the Radical Fundamentalist Right Wing Christian (RFRWC)!
Let's play. Who needs to waste the gas to go to the fair? Anything goes here. Get it off your chest, and expect the same in return.
I know what you are thinking. You think that that is just like every other hub on this website. So what's so fun about playing here? However, that is not true. (See, there I go already. You know how pig headed those RFRWC's are, huh?) Other hubbers want to keep their hubbity hubs on topic. Well, here there is no topic, just prejudice, misinformation and being obnoxious. The more off topic, the merrier. The point is there's no point.
If you win, we won't censor your comments, like the self conscious hubbie-flubbies. We have no reason for arrogance, after all, huh?
It is just like the State Fair. See that goofy RFRWC sitting on the stool. Throw the ball and knock him into the water. Gee, what fun.
You bet, it is really easy. Just make up anything and then plaster it on a post here. No one cares if it is factual on any other hub, so why not just do it here, too. The more cliché, the better. Using sayings your mom told you, like "no good deed goes unpunished" as scripture is welcome here. You know the fourth chapter of Billy Joe Bob, fourteenth verse...
OK, you are thinking that is too easy. Any moron can make a RFRWC out to be a fool. Well, that is the fun, isn't it?
However, beware that all RFRWCs will try to jam their beliefs down your throat. Yeah, so try that one, huh? You think it is easy to pry someone's mouth open and jam scripture and verse down their throat? Well, let me tell you, just the other day, I left my bible in the car. Dang, there I was holding that girl's mouth open and nothing to put in it. You should have seen her high tail it out of there when I went back to the car. I had to chase her three blocks before I could jam my beliefs down her throat.
You think RFRWCs are opinionated and judgmental? Well, you haven't seen anything yet. I have a real Bible, and I will use it. I know, you've heard that before, but now I can thump mine. You betcha, step up to the freak show bible thumper. There is fire and brimstone everywhere in that tent, whatever the crap that is. It makes those Christians seem foolish, though.
Well, here it is folks, I threw out the first salvo. So you can even correctly say that you are just retaliating. That stupid RFRWC started it. He deserved it. It doesn't matter what translation of what book you use either. We don't care if it is the KJV, the NIV or the BLT. Of course, you knew that. Those dumb Christians will just pick and choose anyway. Hey, use the Quran, we don't care.
But don't think just you atheists get all the cheap shots. No, the Christians can tell me all about the false beliefs they have, too. They can come on here and tell me that Jesus is not God or that the trinity is a garbage collection service. They can tell the RFRWC that there is no hell or that if you believe in Jesus and confess your sins, you are automatically given the salvation card. Don't worry I am crazy enough to argue with everybody. I am the prototypical RFRWC.
That allows you all to argue with other Christians, too. Well, I guess that is not much of a selling point since you do that all over Hubpages already. Well, let's see, here you can be even more obnoxious. No that's already being done and won't work either. Well, we will not be outdone!
Anybody can say that separation of church and state is good or bad. I will argue with all of you no matter which side you take. You will of course find that most issues are like that. RFRWCs just like to argue. They have no real point.
When you are out of balls to throw, you can just walk away feeling superior. Step right up, next contestant.
Well, here is your chance. Don't make me come on YOUR hub and bust up your goofy myths about religion. Humiliate me right here on my own hub.
Don't say I didn't warn you.
Fanatically yours (if you agree with me), the Radical Fundamentalist Right Wing Christian
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I do find it hilarious how people who disagree on an issue consider the opposition to be ill-informed, making both sides, well, close minded. Wow, thank God for patyhetic postmodernism. I have a very satirical hub on mccain and someone totally just came in and called everyone who [jokingly, mind you] supported him "ill-informed", then proceeded to by default praise the only real democrat in the discussion for her pro-Obama jargon [I like the pro-Obama-ist, mind you].
Sad, sad moronic and useless world we live in. Can't win, can't lose, can't believe, can't refuse to believe. When you say one thing some ass hole decides he's smarter and more informed and can wipe his arse with your words.
Hey t.keeley;
Yes, we have had some real wild discussions here, huh? Well, at least we can still laugh. I sure hope all the others who we have been debating feel the same. I think they do.
Politics is really replacing religion at the moment in the category of absurd rhetoric and absence of facts, I agree with you. I am confident that religion will be back, though.
We all do not seem to have a common ground on either issue, yet. I am with you that it should be pretty easy with a little common sense. Well, if I get any of that, I may be OK yet, huh?
I am glad you are keeping your sense of humor over it all. Thanks for your comments.
Loved it! I have a new acronym for myself: RFRWC
I might need your help. I just had an anonomous, (seems like these types always are), poster say that Trig Palin should not have been allowed to live. A real sweet human being.
Talford;
Welcome to the infamous RFRWC's. You are in good company getting death threats on your posts. It is kind of hard to argue intelligently with that comment, though, huh?
Another Hubpages member who exhibits some of our traits (possibly another of the RFRWCs), said he actually recieved personal death threats on his hub. Hey, it's just not fair that we do not get to be intolerant as accused. They are taking away all the fun of being an RFRWC when they pull stunts like that.
No topic, just ranting and raving about anything? I love how people talk so much about the crusades. They talk of the killing done in the name of Jesus. They refuse to address the 1100 years before the crusades.
They fail to realize that the Catholic church terrorized Christians throughout the medieval times and beyond. If memory serves me correctly, the Catholic church stopped persecuting Christians in the 1700's.
I am a fundie Christian.
You don't hear much talk about the slaughter that has been done in the name of atheism.
How many Christians have been slaughtered by athiests trying to suppress the message of the cross? The incredible thing to me is that Christ died so that they could have life too.
In the end, of course, it is their choice.
Sir Dent;
Thanks for your comments. I am not much of a crusades expert, by any means. I am also amazed, though, how it is used as some indictment of Christianity. Yes, I just got a forum thread shut down because I went off for a hubber calling Christians "killers". I assumed that was the meaning of it. He did finally recant, but I did have his arm twisted behind his back with threats of killing him. Yep, that is the way us RFRWCs do it all right. I was threatened and called all sorts of names on that one. It was really fun.
Christians do not kill, since we are commanded "thou shalt not kill", people do. Like I said, atheists are only disobeying man's law when they kill, but Christians disobey God's law and man's law when they kill.
Why do you think that there is so much confusion and strife over the Crusades?
Talford;
Do you think that there is a big misunderstanding what the Bible really says?
Can you elaborate on the violence against Christians, too? I am aware of a lot of persecution of Christians in various areas today, like India for one where my friend is a missionary. His life is really at risk. I agree that that does not seem to get much publicity. People here want to talk about the crusades, like Sir Dent said, but not talk about the current genocide and persecution of Christians by other religions.
viralprospector says:6 minutes ago
Why do you think that there is so much confusion and strife over the Crusades?
SirDent: I believe a lot of it has to do with Muslims who conquered territories before that time. They had expanded from their original area and contrary to what Muslims say, it was done by the sword.
Of course in those areas that were conquered, Muslims and Christians lived in peace as long as Muslims had control of things.
I read soemthing recently that has me baffled as to why it can't be seen what Muhammad really was. An Imam and a Pastor who had battled for years became friends. The Imam made a statement in the interview I read. He said that Muhammad had compassion upon the citizens of Meccah after he conquered their city.
Go figure!!!
I also add, that I believe the Catholic Church to have been greedy at that time. They wanted riches and treasures. Antioch was a city full of historical and religious artifacts,
Sir Dent;
I guess what baffles me about it is how it is an indictment of Christianity. Again, I am not that well versed in it. So, I really am curious. I mean it seems to me that Christians cannot kill without word from God that supercedes his command to not kill. Of course, I recognize that need from ancient times. God spoke directly and it could not be interpreted as future direction.
Islam is another thing altogether.
How it is interpreted that Christians ARE killers is beyond me, too. The war in Iraq is an American war, not a Christian war. Do you think that is misinterpreted because the President claims to be a Christian? Do you think there is a resemblence between the perception of the Crusades now and the Iraq war?
Hi Viral Prospector -
I really enjoyed this hub and want to say thanks for the laugh. This paragraph you wrote:
"You think RFRWCs are opinionated and judgmental? Well, you haven't seen anything yet. I have a real Bible, and I will use it. I know, you've heard that before, but now I can thump mine. You betcha, step up to the freak show bible thumper. There is fire and brimstone everywhere in that tent, whatever the crap that is. It makes those Christians seem foolish, though."
is hysterical!
In all seriousness however, I feel sad and weary when I read how others are hell bent in efforts to discredit Jesus and our Faith. I'm convinced they are in the camp that Paul speaks of, starting in 1 Corinth 1:18 "The message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. For it is written: '"I will destroy the wisdom of the wise; the intelligence of the intelligent,I will frustrate...."'
I also know what it says about arguing and I know time is precious and fleeting, that we aren't going to convince anyone, only the Holy Spirit can convict. There are other things that require our attentioin besides those we encounter on the internet. Yet I do believe we need to proclaim more of the Word of God (since it doesn't return voic and it's sharper than a double edged sword) and spend more time in prayer. There are unsaved people out there who have more historical knowledge than I but I don't really care ..again they are trying to discredit Christianity, label us as hypocrits, even though everyone has the tendency to be one from time to time, including the redeemed. People with veiled eyes and dark hearts spend too much time pointing fingers and criticizing, when some well spent time would include some humble self examiniation. Maybe then, we'd all get along a lot better, regardless of differences in our beliefs. And these words are coming from someone who has been called to be an Evangelist.
Christine;
I am really glad you found it funny. As the RFRWC that I am, i try not to let many know that I have a sense of humor. Showing the lighter side doesn't aid that jamming my beliefs down the others' throats, you know.
Evangelism is a wonderful gift. The great commission calls us all to do our part indeed. I must admit that much of the anti Christian rhetoric makes me mad, not sad. I guess that probably goes without saying, huh? Now be sure I am not proud of that, but it makes you sad. That is more appropriate, I think.
I think the bible is marvelous and infallibel. I think christianity is very difficult and fun. Some religious forums, not Hubpages, have some great religious debate between atheists and Christians. Some atheists really know the Bible and just want a little clarification of who God is. I sure don't claim to know, but I have some opinions on it. Those types of debates are actually fun when everyone is knowledgeable of the Bible.
Keep up the great work! Thanks for your wise comments.
HI VP -
Yeah, I'm sure the debates are fun when others know what the Bible says but lack insight and understanding and everyone remains respectful of one another. I actually think there may be an atheist or two here on hubpages who could be classified that way as well. I am thankful for people like you (and many others) who have a heart to listen and share with people who have objections but may actually be open to truth (searching) whether they realize it or not.
I am trying to visualize myself literally thumping someone over the head with a Bible now after reading this hub, and seeing what kind of reaction I get....needing of course the Spirit to help me discern who would be a good sport about it, time and place. I think it would be a hilarious ice breaker. "Thump" then have someone turn around and look at me like "what's up with that?" Then I can proceed to explain "I'm a Bible thumper, and you've just been thumped. I hope you don't mind." Some might think that's stupid and unwise but I'm kind of crazy like that. I'd be LMBO the entier time, unless of course, it did turn ugly! I guess then I might have to run!
So with Ike going through your state and you being in the DFW area, are you not affected? Looks pretty ugly from the news coverage.
Christine;
It was one of the anti Christian rants that had the "bible thumper" slam in it. I get those same kind of imageries when I read those goofy rants against us. Another one had that we "jam our beliefs down their throats". That is where my imagination got carried away on that.
Oh, I wish I could find this old radio broadcast where these old ladies' car got hit by this sales type of guy. He was trying to make out like it was their fault, and they pepper sprayed him and beat him over the head with their purses and even a bible. It was hysterical.
I missed out on Ike here in DFW, but my son was a rescue worker in Galveston. He said it was unbelievable, but he is OK. Most of my wife's family is down there, too. Every year seems to get worse. Thank you very much for asking.
right on target talford, you've just proven to be a lying bastard, i didn't the palin baby shouldn't be allowed to live...i said the mother had a choice before allowing a badly flawed imbeo to become a permanently flawed desparate baby that would only creat drag on society and the us treasury...
viralprospector says:7 hours ago
How it is interpreted that Christians ARE killers is beyond me, too. The war in Iraq is an American war, not a Christian war. Do you think that is misinterpreted because the President claims to be a Christian? Do you think there is a resemblence between the perception of the Crusades now and the Iraq war?
SirDent: I would say many believe it because Bush says he is a Christian yes and because of that fact, they believe it to be like the crusades. Still others believe it to be about oil and profit only. God only knows what it is really about.
Commonsense;
Welcome to the place of radical fundamentalist right wing Christians and all others. I picked up on some of the dialogue on the other hub. I was confused by your comments there, but I see from your comments here what you are contending.
I guess I am curious why you think that any particular human might have no purpose for existence. I guess I can see a multitude of reasons that may be possible. If I look at it personally, I think my greatest gift would be to bless others. Looking at Trig Palin, it seems that that is the case. It sure seems to me that his sister loves him, and I feel confident that all his family does.
As to being a drag on society, I am more than willing to pay for that, if necessary. I think that is what philanthropy is for. Commonsense, there are many very tough decisions that we make in life, wouldn't you say? I feel confident that I do not understand the depth of your emotion, but I am willing to try. Can you give me some more to go on to better understand your feelings. Thanks for stopping by.
Sir Dent;
Thanks for sharing your thoughts on the current perception among some about the Crusades and its lasting impact. I noticed how you earlier referenced how Catholics persecuted Christians. There is a vast difference between Catholics and Christians, but some call them the same. Do you think these two groups have indeed formed to one?
While I am far from an expert on the subject, I have had thousands of religious debates with atheists. I find that the myriad of excuses not to be a Christian run the gamut, including way back to the crusades as you wisely report. Yet, I find that the end result is most often that people cannot deal with their personal guilt as the actual reason when all the layers of defense are peeled away.
It seems to me that what happened in the crusades (by people who acted in disobedience to God) does not seem a valid excuse to deny God. Do you see the crusades (or any other Christian shortcomings) as a valid reason for atheists to live in separation from Jesus?
Talford;
Thanks for coming back to see that you are becoming famous across Hubpages. You have made a courageous stand for the sanctity of life, and I agree with that stand. There is cerrtainly a huge debate about it. That has raged for decades in America.
While it is clearly a religious debate, it is more than that to me. I have very strong personal opinions why I think pro life decisions are best. Like I said to Commonsense, none of us can see the future. The fact that the meek will inherit the earth is certainly added religious comfort to say that my gut instincts are indeed true to God. Knowing that this is His perfect plan is way more than enough to me.
If this debate continues on this hub, I will certainly notify you of that. Again, I am grateful to you for taking a strong and controversial stand for life.
viralprospector says:3 hours ago
Thanks for sharing your thoughts on the current perception among some about the Crusades and its lasting impact. I noticed how you earlier referenced how Catholics persecuted Christians. There is a vast difference between Catholics and Christians, but some call them the same. Do you think these two groups have indeed formed to one?
SirDent: There are definitely differences between Catholics and Christians. I believe the same greed Catholics had during the crusades is still present in the Catholic church today. Thay also pray to saints, whom the church has named saints, when the Bible clearly indicates that there is one mediator.
This is not to say that there are no good Catholics. Some are true believers and followers of Christ. When a person gives their life to Jesus, it is given to Him and that is what one must do to be saved. Forgiveness has already been taken care of by Him,
VP: It seems to me that what happened in the crusades (by people who acted in disobedience to God) does not seem a valid excuse to deny God. Do you see the crusades (or any other Christian shortcomings) as a valid reason for atheists to live in separation from Jesus?
SirDent: The grace that brings salvation has appeared unto all men. There is no excuse. They are what I call willfully ignorant or willfully blind. They don't want to see their own sins and how unclean they really are.
This is not only for atheists, but for others who deny who Jesus is and was. Even Jesus disciples, though they followed Him and walked and talked with Him during His ministry, didn't realize who he was until right before He was crucified, yet a harlot anointed Him with an alabaster box of oil because she recognized who he was.
When a person reads and allows the Holy Ghost to teach, enlightenment will come. Many believe they know Jesus merely because they know of His works, but the Bible clearly states that without the spirit no man can please God nor can anyone know who he is. The carnal man is emnity against God.
Sir Dent;
Thanks for your wise impressions.
I think it is critical that you pointed out that the church, in this case the catholic church, is not to be confused with people of that faith. I often find on Hubpages that actions of some entity, like a church, is credited to people of that faith. Too often, the people being prejudiced against have nothing to do with that entity. That is the epitome of prejudice. You make a great point on that.
I am hopeful that you can continue to work here to clear up that there should not be confusion about the church being applied to its followers. In the same way, I think it is not at all proper to apply prejudice against a group, like you pointed out the crusades. That is also prejudice, even if the facts were straight, which they rarely seem to be.
Would you agree that Christians are just people, trying to be followers of Jesus Christ? Our instructions are the Bible and the holy spirit in us which builds on our understanding of the Bible and God? How can it be deemed acceptable to go off on these huge rants against Christians, like we have anything to do with the Crusades? That is like saying white men are killers because James Earl Ray was convicted of killing Dr. King.
Every person must be judged as an individual, and groups are just collections of individuals - all unique and impossible to label effectively, as I see it.
VP,
LOL - I am either getting famous or infamous depending on what side you're on.
As someone who was raised Catholic and am now a Christian, (born-again, fundementalist, or whatever label you like) I can tell you one huge difference. A Christian remembers the day they became a Christian.
It is a personal experiance, the same as our walk on a daily basis is a personal walk and fellowship with Christ. There are multitude of different doctrinal errors in Catholicism. (The virgin birth of Mary and her worship, the diety of the eucharist, etc.)
Just pointing out doctrinal errors will not ever change the heart.
Salvation, that wonderful personal relationship with our Savior, Jesus Christ the Lord, is what changes the heart and soul. If it were not for knowing him, knowing doctrine would mean nothing.
Your brother in Christ, Tom
Talford;
Yes, the day of my conversion back to Jesus is very vivid to me, too, despite that being over 30 years ago. Sir Dent was also remarking of the difference of Catholicism. I remember being a Latin scholar (I took six years of it) and translating what the priests were saying. I asked my friend why in the world they were saying what they said. I got a blank shrug. No one knew what was said.
I was real involved in Young Life, and so my experiences there were far different.
viralprospector says:4 hours ago
Would you agree that Christians are just people, trying to be followers of Jesus Christ?
SirDent: Followers of Jesus are the ones who realize who He really is. Many claim that Jesus was a great teacher. While that is very true, He was and still is so much more than that.
Example; A lawyer called Jesus a good man. This is being said a lot today. Many believe Jesus to have been a good man. But Jesus saaid, " There is none good but the Father which is in heaven." The lawyer didn't recognize who Jesus really was at that time. The harlot with the alabaster box recognized Jesus for who He really was, and that is the Christ. Later Jesus asked Peter, "Whom do you say that I am?" Peter said, "You are the Christ." Peter finally recognized who Jesus was!
Until that is revealed to a person, they cannot comprehend God or even come close to imagining who God really is. Once a person believes, then they start a walk with Christ and learn as they go. The Bible is the Word of God and is used for instruction, reproof, for doctrine, and for correction. It is a walk that those who choose to follow, will last them the rest of their lives.
VP: Our instructions are the Bible and the holy spirit in us which builds on our understanding of the Bible and God? How can it be deemed acceptable to go off on these huge rants against Christians, like we have anything to do with the Crusades? That is like saying white men are killers because James Earl Ray was convicted of killing Dr. King.
SirDent: Jesus said we would be hated. He said we would be persecuted. It happens to all who believe in Jesus. I am thinking of what's going on in India at the moment. Hindus attacking Christians left and right, burning their churches and homes. This is just one of many persecutions.
Off topic (maybe) What do you think might happen if a person who proclaims to be an atheist killed somebody in cold blooded murder, and everyone started calling all atheist muderers?
Sir Dent;
I agree that Christians seem to get the raw deal on the prejudice scale. Why are people not on Hubpages ranting incessantly against the killing of Christians in India? You are about the only one I hear bringing it up on Hubpages.
Yet I see a rather large group of anti Christians here on this website making all sorts of untrue prejudiced rants against Christians. You brought up a classic about the crusades which were hundreds of years ago. Maybe those same people think Christians should be killed for no reason whatsoever over in India. I know one thing, I sure haven't heard any Christians calling Indians murderers. Again, it is people who are murderers, and they must be brought to justice, if there is indeed any justice left.
Do you think those who are prejudiced against Christians just work it backward? Do you think they are determined to make out Christians out to be bad people because of their own self inadequacies? So, they just invent stories and think that no Christian is smart enough and courageous enough to call their prejudiced lies.
The Bible is a remarkable and totally true book. Christians follow it if they are doing it right. Sure we do stand up against these types of injustices, but I do not see where all the prejudice comes from it if is not insecurity.
Satan said, " I will put my throne above the throne of God." Many unbelievers think they are above God, though they refuse to admit it. They believe their way is better than the way God made for all men to come to Him. When they are told or shown the truth, they get angry because they have been found out ot be liars. They take their frustrations out on Christians because we are there. They know weer will not obliterate them no matter what they do to us. This also makes them bullies in every sense of the word.
Where the church, or Christians, fall short is taking authority over Satan for it is Satan that works through the unbelievers. Jesus gave us power over unclean spirits, to cast them out and over all manner of sickness and disease. Where is this power located? Why isn't it working today as it did two thousand years ago? It doesn't work because of unbelief. Many Christians this day have the appearance of holiness and righteousness, but deny the power that coems with it.
Sir Dent;
That is so true, in my opinion. Your first paragraph really seems to summarize the anti Christian efforts that I have seen on Hubpages.
While I am not in agreement with violence on either side whatsoever, violence does exist against Christians today. I do not think America's defense of itself is in any way a religious struggle on our part. However, it is waged against us as a religious struggle. That is a marvelous strategy by Islam against Christianity. The prejudice against Christianity is so strong, as you point out, that anti Christians try to misconstrue the conflict as caused by Christians. Hindus seem to be employing the same tactics in India, as you also point out.
It seems to me that all of this shadow boxing with Christians has taken away the focus on facts and the real problems facing our country.
The second paragraph of your post is unfortunate. Many Christians ignore the clear warnings of the Bible like Relelation 21:9 and Galatians 5:19. By living a life of disobedience, they also have the similar feelings of the first paragraph of your post. Then, they lose the confidence to employ the blessings from the Bible.
I am curious how you see the role of the church in all of this.
Viralprospector,
It's rather difficult for the world to not view things as a religious war when the Commander in Chief, speaking for the military and civilian poulation, describes the response to 9-11 as a "Crusade." Are you going to argue with this pronouncement?
Ben Bush;
The President has absolutely no authority over the church. He knows that full well, too. The mideast war is an American war, like the war or not. Nothing whatsoever in the Bible commands this war, and God commands us "thou shalt not kill".
With absolutely no religious mandate for the war, it is by default a political war, as I see it.
I am unfamiliar with the crusade comment. That is absolutely not to say that it was not made, but Bush says some pretty wild things. Still Congress declared the war, and I am not familiar with any person saying it was a religious war, per se. Of course, there is huge religious strife caused by the Quran's statements that all infidels should be killed, and Christians are clearly infidels. That would be about the extent of this war being construed as religious.
Any elaboratin on the crusade comment would probably help enlighten me about it. Thanks for your comments, Ben.
One thing about Muslims is that they see victory for their side even if they loose a battle or a war. They always try and play the pity card and many fall for it. They don't care how many Muslims have to die as long as everyone thinks the Muslims were slaughtered or attacked unecesarily.
The violence in india against Christians is unfounded. A teacher was murdered and Hindus went on the warpath killing Christians. Even after another group admitted to the murder, Christians are still being killed, burned out of their homes, and their churches burned.
Maybe I am wrong, but I always thought Hinduism was supposed to be a live and let live religion. They believe in Karma and allowing things to happen with no interference. Am I wrong in this?
It could also called the blame everyone else for my shortcomings game. It isnl;t my fault I'm so evil and wicked, but it's the fault of all those Christians who tried to tell me I was evil.
Can I ask you a question viral? Why do you keep posting on a hub where someoene is not approving your comments? To me that is causing strife and stirring the pot. No offense, but what would Jesus do in this situation? He would turn the other cheek. I do not believe in Christian fundamentalism. I believe in Jesus of the Bible and peace.
I know what I believe but am curious as to what others believe and why. In the Bible there was war and God chose sides and helped the side He was on. There has always been war and always will be until He comes back to reign on this Earth. So many people take the commandment 'Thou shat not kill' and take that to mean everything no matter what. But God helped His people to win wars in the Bible and people died in them. So, those of you who believe not to kill for any reason, how do you explain that? I do believe that war is necessary, although I hate that fact. And I believe that the 9/11 attacks were religious on the part of the muslims. So, on that part, it is a holy war. So, how do you explain that God aided in wars in the Bible where people died, yet today say that we should not have war?
In Old Testament times there was war and much of it, but in the New Testament Jesus did not encourage people to take up arms and fight. Jesus turned the other cheek and allowed his enemies to crucify him, which speaks for itself. There was a shift between the Old and New Testament and in the latter we are no longer seeking out war and fighting. Yes there are still wars, but when and where possible we should minimize conflict and strife.
SweetiePie;
Thanks for your comments. I think I either misphrased or you misunderstood my comments written a while back. I made one post on that hub as I recall, and it was disapproved. I noticed that SirDent and Prophesy Teacher (as I recall) also tried to post on a hub, and all our comments were disapproved. If you still think that is causing strife and stirring the pot, please let me know that. My point is that it seems weak not to let the opposing viewpoint be presented. It misleads those who read the hub to think that only one side is presented, when in fact, the other side was censored.
As to knowing what Jesus would do, I find that far beyond anything I would ever attempt. I try to be like Jesus, but I would never under any circumstances guess what God, Jesus Christ, would do. I am not even close to that level of person. Perhaps that was intended in the light hearted spirit of this hub, though, and you were just joking.
As to your comment about believing fundamentalism or whatever, instead you believe the Bible and peace. That is funny, to me, too. I think that is very much in the spirit of this thread to make jokes that are not from reality. Thanks for lightening this back up again. If you are not joking, then we have differing views of fundamentalism. If it is fundamental, it is basic. A fendamentalist is one who is rooted in the exact facts of the Bible. Maybe you could help clear that up. I think I am missing something, sorry.
Allshookup:
Wow, I really appreciate your thoughts. Thanks. There is much in that of deep thought. Let me work straight from your words. I am sure no expert on this, so maybe you can give some more thoughts to this point.
"I know what I believe but am curious as to what others believe and why. In the Bible there was war and God chose sides and helped the side He was on. There has always been war and always will be until He comes back to reign on this Earth."
It does seem that way, huh?
"So many people take the commandment 'Thou shat not kill' and take that to mean everything no matter what."
To me, I think it just says what it says. The way I have referred to it in this thread is to refute the "Christian killer" myth. Christians know not to kill, so they would not just go out and do unjust murders. Self defense is another matter.
"But God helped His people to win wars in the Bible and people died in them. So, those of you who believe not to kill for any reason, how do you explain that?"
Well, I say first that God had instructions for the times, thousands of years ago, that it are very difficult to rectify today. Ancient times required different tactics than today. So, I do not think we can use those instructions from God as an example today.
"I do believe that war is necessary, although I hate that fact. And I believe that the 9/11 attacks were religious on the part of the muslims. So, on that part, it is a holy war. So, how do you explain that God aided in wars in the Bible where people died, yet today say that we should not have war?"
I hope I have not come across that there should be no war. America must make decisions for our country. Those are separate from religion. I guess the hard issue is the one of self defense. How do you see that?
I had a friend like this once and all he ever did was critize others and now he is very much alone and on antidepressants and can not imagine why? my dad was the same way...died a lonely disgruntled man...never really lived very sad if you get your kicks in life from knocking others...in reality the bottom line is bullies are just hurting people and they have bungy cords attached to an unhealed past....any way just a few thoughts....Mikeq:0)
Sir Dent;
"One thing about Muslims is that they see victory for their side even if they loose a battle or a war. They always try and play the pity card and many fall for it. They don't care how many Muslims have to die as long as everyone thinks the Muslims were slaughtered or attacked unecesarily."
This is an interesting tactic to use. Christians have to decide which side to be on. It is sin to just sit and do nothing. Jesus said we are either with Him or against Him. Nowhere does it say that we have the option to just let someone else, even God himself, handle this."The violence in india against Christians is unfounded. A teacher was murdered and Hindus went on the warpath killing Christians. Even after another group admitted to the murder, Christians are still being killed, burned out of their homes, and their churches burned."
I read stories from my friend all the time of he and his fellow brothers being afraid for their lives. It is so bizarre to me that this goes essentially unreported. I just want to scream out to those who are ignoring this while trivial matters are discussed. "Maybe I am wrong, but I always thought Hinduism was supposed to be a live and let live religion. They believe in Karma and allowing things to happen with no interference. Am I wrong in this?"
I wish I were an expert in hinduism, but I am not. It would be great if we were visited by someone who could shed some light on this. Again, I say that this is not a matter where we get to be neutral. These are pastors and Christian missionaries that are simply fulfilling God's express will in the great commission. For me, I am the #1 enemy of these people doing this. They must be stopped at all costs, bar none. I am confident that you all know exactly what I would do if I were there.It could also called the blame everyone else for my shortcomings game. It isnl;t my fault I'm so evil and wicked, but it's the fault of all those Christians who tried to tell me I was evil.
That is a 'win at all costs' game. Forget morality, ethics or normal decency, just win. It is very hard for Americans to deal with that. I understand that our soldiers were really struggling with that when they went into Iraq. The can build a bomb for about five bucks that can be used to kill, and they do.
Mikeq107;
I assume you intended that for me, right? It is always best to put the person's name for whom you intend such pointed statements. Specifics are required for such indictments to be considered rational. I will respond to it, but I will give you the chance to clarify it first. Thanks for your thoughts. I salute anyone who speaks their mind truthfully.
Mikeq107;
Well, I just got back from the drug store stocking up on the antidepressants, just in case you meant that BS for me. Yep, those 10,000 people my nonprofit helps a year all ran for the hills. Here I am all alone with nothing but your cheerful post to fill the isolated life of the RFRWC. Oh, I almost forgot how disgruntled I am, too. Whew, I wonder what that means...
Man if I just could find a few others to knock, I could get some more kicks today. Gotta be some others somewhere...
I tell you what, though, that bungy cord to the unhealed past needs to be adjusted. I am going with ratchet straps, next time. When that bungy cord snaps, look out folks, that unhealed past is coming at ya.
Well, gotta run, now. I need to find some others to bully and all. Darn those antidepressants make me sleepy, though. Oh, what is a critical, lonely, disgruntled bully hurting others with an unhealed past to do anyway?
Mike q107;
Whoops, I tried to put a smily face on there, but it did not take. This was intended to work back to the OP as a tongue in cheek RFRWC post. Oh well, it is not very funny when I have to come back and explain, huh?
All Shook Up,
You raise some legitmate questions that many struggle with. I'll attempt to briefly answer some of them.
As far as God being involved in war, He is more than just involved. He oversees War as the Sovereign of the Universe. In the lives of all men, he oversees His Laws of sowing and reaping. And when individuals or nations have reached a point of judgment, God directs that judgment. This is what He did with Israel toward other nations. He also used other nations to judge Israel. In fact in Habbakuk 1:12, God has "ordained" the Chaldeans to come against Israel in judgment for her sins. Jesus Himself fortold of the judgment of Israel in 70 AD carried out by the Romans, the same nation that crucified Him.
This same God has ordained all leaders in history, including the most notorious. This is something that most of God's People struggle with because God's supposed to be a god of Love and would never see harm come on anyone. We forget that God is just also. It's that same justice and love, though, that killed Jesus in our place to provide us the redemption and salvation we now possess.
Meanwhile, some things have changed. Israel is no longer a nation. In fact, Jesus told the Pharisees and elders and religious leaders that the Kingdom of God would be take from them and given to a "nation" bringing forth the fruits thereof. Matthew 21:43 According to Peter, that nation is the Body of Christ, the Ecclesia. We have the national duty as Ambassadors to proclaim the message of reconciliation to the World. We are inviting them to literally change their citizenship and politics and join the nation of Christ the Savior. Our politics is of a different nature. We represent someone different than the god of this world. Therefore our tactics and methodology are different. The weapons of our warfare are not fleshly. They are spiritual. And powerful.
Viralprospector,
Secular politics is thorougly religious and spiritual. To believe otherwise is to ignore their own official and legal pronouncements. And they do have power over the Body of Christ to the degree that our authority is given to them in a legal manner. And most churches have done that, even in this country. And they don't even realize it.
In fact the history of this country is filled with overtly religous verbiage officially delivered by a variety of public officials. That includes President Bush. If you will research just his State of the Union Speeches, they are filled with religious language. In fact, for someone holding so much power, I presume that he completely understand his words when officially delivered. So when the highest official in the U.S. say that this is a "Crusade" I listen, whether I like the pronouncement or not. In fact, if more people would pay more attention to the words of public officials, they would reveal more than you would probably like to admit.
The word of God reveals the true structure of this World. Citizens in this country have been taught something other than this Word since its beginning.
Interestingly, God tells us in romans 13 that when we resist or oppose the governments he has ordained, we bring judgment on ourselves. That's partially what I mean when I say be careful how you treat modern leaders. Be wise as serpents, harless as doves.
Blessing,
Ben
Thank all of you for replying to my question. I believe that we are to stand in self-defense if need be. I don't want to go out and look for war. I wish things could be handled with taking but all nations wont work with us. I honestly don't believe that God put us here to be doormats. He expects us to take a stand for what is right. We have been quiet for way too long. That's how the nation has gotten to this point, in my view. People talk about the Bible being about peace and love, but they seem to forget that Jesus had a temper and He threw those people out of His Father's house for what they were doing. Christians being 'politically correct' has made it to where we are afraid to stand for what God wants and needs for us to. That is just wrong. I don't think God wants us to sit idly by and let another 9/11 or worse happen. He did give us common sense to use. If someone broke into your house and was kidnapping your baby, what would you do? Turn the other cheek? What if they killed your child? Turn the other cheek? To me, sitting idly by and doing nothing to show other countries that we will stand is inviting war here on our own soil. I know that there will be a lot who disagree with me. And that's your right. Those soldiers over there are fighting to keep you safe so you can freely disagree with what they are doing.
All Shook Up
John The Baptist was asked by Roman soldiers what they should do in their response to his preaching. His response in Luke 3:14 is interesting, especially in light of what soldiers are trained to do.
Ben;
I am interested in your views of war and sovereignty. I sure do feel that our leaders are becoming more imperial monarchs with every election, with only one exception - Jimmy Carter.
Are you working the angle that God has the perfect plan, or are you saying more than that? Would you agree that man has free will to be as obedient or disobedient as he wants, but God knows it all in advance. It is all part of His perfect plan in other words?
I am troubled with your theory that all leaders are ordained, and we are to not resist or oppose them. Did I read that right?
Ben;
I like Luke 3:11-13 even better. As to Luke 14, also a favorite of mine, justice and fairness are most important for the most powerful. We have lost that in America, and we need to work together to get back to it. Our constitution is a great piece of work, but we now just make up stuff about what it means. It is just like everything else, relative.
Ben, In that Scripture, John was talking to Roman soldiers sent to keep peace in this distant province. They oppressed the poor and used their power to take advantage of all the people. John called them to repent and change their ways. In this verse he called them to do 3 things 1- share what you have with those who need it, 2- whatever your job is, do it well and with fairness, and 3- be content with what you are earning. He was calling the people to right living. If you are referring to the one part of a sentence in there that says 'do voilence to no man' then I just explained what he was referring to. He was telling the soldiers to do their job they were sent to do. And their job at the time was to keep peace. This is not something John said in war time. In Revelation it tells how the last war will happen. The war to end all wars. Why would God be against war if He is planning on having one in the future? He wouldn't tell us not to do something and then Him do it Himself.
viral, What you said about the Constitution is sad but true. We, as Christians, do need to take a stand more and be more what He wants us to be. I love that you have opened your hub to us to be able to talk about things. Thank you for that. I have been fiercely attacked on hubpages simply because I say something about God. It's nice to have a place to come to know there are people who are also Christians. We may not all believe exactly the same. But, as long as we believe the fundamental things of the Bible, I feel alot can come from your hub.
Allshookup;
Thanks for the encouragement. I, too, have taken my licks on hubpages, but I think they are bloodier than me. However, it is no fun to get ganged up on. I sure did not come to Hubpages to fight the religion battles. I have forums around the net for that. Really, it is not all that bad. For some reason, though, it is much harder to get the points across here.
It is political season now, but religion will be back in the focus here, I think. I expect that we will get some lively debate here, too, from non Christians.
I feel, like you, that a lot needs to be done. Everyone should roll up their sleeves and get this country back where our founding fathers intended it, Christians or not. It is already way too late, but every day it gets worse.
It does seem to get worse every day. I agree. I have often wondered if we are growing so far away from God that He is kinda withdrawing His sheltering Hand from us. Scary thought. But if we don't draw closer to Him, I don't know how bad it could get for us here in the USA. The Israelites were God's chosen people and in order to get them where they needed to be with Him, He allowed them to be in bondage and then wonder around in the woods for 40 years in a circle. I'm afraid He may have to do something to us in order for us to get back to where we need to be with Him if we don't do something soon. But, that's just my opinion.
All Shook Up,
The Jewish were one of the most contentious area the Romans governed. History reveales that they were constantly having to quash some group or individual who was attempting to or planning to overthrow Roman Rule over the Jews. The zealots (Simon the zealot - a disciple of Jesus) were known for this type of activity. And regardless of the particular assignment, Roman soldiers, known fro their cruely and brutality, were expected to take whatever measures required to keep the peace, especially against non Romans.
Viralprospector,
I didn't say that leaders are ordained and we are not to oppose or resist them. Paul said it very clearly in Romans 13. And at the time, he was referring to the Roman Empire and Caesar, not exactly known for their hospitality
Blessings,
Ben
Ben;
Through reading all of Romans, Paul is establishing God's authority and the law. Without following God's commands, there is no authority. I guess what I was wondering is what do you think that means for us today? I agree that Rome was not known as that clean an operation either.
Under what condition or circumstance would it not be applicable to us today?
Allshookup;
Reading Revelation certainly gives us an idea of how bad it will get. I am always optimistic that things can get better in the short term. A lot of people think we are embarking on the end times, though. I have heard very convincing cases for that. I just want to do God's will for my life. I ask daily that He control every thought, every word and every action. I hat to think what I might do if I didn't pray.
Ben;
I think 100% of the Bible is applicable to us today. Rather, I was wondering whether God has established authority for what governments today, if any. Without that authority, is there a command to follow that government? In other words, in the context of all of the book of Romans, what is the meaning of chapter 13? Given that it cannot contradict anything else in the book, (or the Bible for that matter) at least in my opinion, what can we conclude that it really means?
So do I viral. I am human and so I fall so short, but with His help, I do strive to be what He wants me to be. I've heard the talk of us coming into the last days. I am pre-trib. And honestly, some days I just beg for Jesus to come on back and get us. I can't wait to see Him face to face and I miss so many of my family and friends who have gone on before me. Just think of it! No pain, no worries, no sickness. Some days I just can't hardly wait. And one of these mornings when I'm asking Him to come back, He's gonna say......Ok here I come! I can't wait!!!!
Well, referring back to your previous comment and question, God is indeed working out his plan on the earth, especially among nations and their leaders. In no way does this negate free will on the part of anyone. Proverbs tells us that the heart of the King is in his hand. Like the river, he turns it whatever way he wills. This is true regardless of the form of government or the level of morality of its leaders. None of that limits God in any way.
Romans 13 is simply the continuation of what has been since Cain built the city of Enoch, Empire. Nothing has changed.
There is a difference, though, between submitting to a government and following that government. No where are we required to follow, serve or promote a secular government. In fact, in the instance of a believer having a dispute with another believer, we are required to not go before the "unbelievers", but to handle the judicial matter ourselves. That's because, as I said, we have a completely separate jurisdiction in which we can proceed in life.
Interestingly, Romans 13 also says that when we resist or oppose the Poweres that be, we are actually resisting and opposing God. Obviously that's not the most desirable position for us to be in. But the point is significant.
Jesus and the apostles disobeyed the government at times. Knowing that Jesus saw reasons for doing that is also significant. They suffered much when they went against the government, but it was worth it to them.
If the Government tells you to dosoemthing that is against God, then you should not do it. Jesus told Peter once, "Render unto Caesar what is Caesar's, render unto God what is God's."
God sets up the powers also. They work in order to bring His plan about.
Joh 19:11 Jesus answered, Thou couldest have no power at all against me, except it were given thee from above: therefore he that delivered me unto thee hath the greater sin.
The bible also state that we war against pirincipalities and powers, spiritual wickedness in high places. These high places are the leaders of the nations. Many are spiritually wicked. Few that aren't.
Let me make a distinction. Scripture is very clear. Submission to any government is required only to the degree that we can obey God and His Word. As the apostles said, "We would obey God rather than men." But obedience to Christ does not equal resistance or opposition. They are definintely different.
Let me try to explain, nowhere in the Bible does it say you must be a Christian fundamentalist. I am a non-denominational Christian that tries to make peace and get along with all Christians, whether they be Catholics, Protestants, what have you. You have ever right to believe that fundamentalism is the way, but it is not my way. I read the Bible and do not need any terms such as fundamentalism to make me believe in Christ, I just do not need it. Many Christians today as myself do not want anything whatsoever to do with fundamentalism because this is the type of mentality that elects presidents such as Bush, who I do not consider a Christian. Also, I believe in separation of Church and state and do not like the idea of a president being elected upon his faith, or lack there of. This is my point of view and it may be too liberal for this hub, but I was by no means trying to light things up. Sirdent is my friend, but unlike him I do not wish to comment on hubs where I am not welcome. If I knew an atheist had written a hub about not believing in God I would have no business coming to that person's hub and commenting, or if my comments were deleted I would take that as an answer. However, I made a mistake commenting on your hub in the first place because I see we are of a differing opinions, so sorry I came here. I just wanted to clear up that there are way too many bad associations with all types of fundamentalism in religion right now, whether it be Islam, Christianity, or Judaism. Right now I am reading the biography of Queen Noor who is an American woman that married the King of Jordan. It is very enlightening to see that many of the issues of strife in the Middle East were caused by Jewish Fundamentalist who insisted on reclaiming the Holy Land and forcing people to leave their homes. Jordan has hosted and nationalized the Palestianians that were kicked out of homeland, and this all occured because of Fundamentalism. Muslim fundamentalists sometimes go to the extreme of terrorism, and that is just scary and sad. Christian fundamentalists often are behind our policies to invade Iraq and say it is for the common good, but the irony is many Christians have been forced to leave their own country because of this invasion. Really fundamentalism is never good in any religion and has too many bad associations. I prefer to just be a Christian and not associated with this term, but this is my view and I respect yours also. In the future I will not comment on your hubs as we could not see eye to eye, but I know why I feel the way I do and will not be changing my stance on this issue.
Sweetie Pie;
Bye.
I take in consideration that God has created mankind with minds capable of instruction, and a faculty which may be enlarged in proportion to the heed and diligence given to the light communicated from heaven to the intellect; and that the nearer man approaches perfection, the clearer are his views, and the greater are his enjoyments, till he has overcome the evils of this life and lost every desire for sin; and like the ancients, arrives at that point of faith where he is wrapped in the power and glory of his maker and is caught up to dwell with him. But we should consider that this is a station which no man has ever arrived in a moment.
And it is sound to believe that anything which has a beginning must have an end, therefore there never was a time when there were not spirits. Intellegince is eternal and exists upon a self-existent principle. it is a spirit from age to age and there is no creation about it. all the minds and spirits that God ever sent into the world are susceptible to enlargement.
Onusonus;
I think I got that for the most part, and I think I agree. However, I am not sure I follow this:
"Intellegince is eternal and exists upon a self-existent principle. it is a spirit from age to age and there is no creation about it." Maybe you could elaborate for me.
Regardless, that is very high level thought, and I am grateful that you shared it here.
Take your ring from your finger and liken it to the mind of Man-the immortal part, because it had no begining, suppose you cut it in two; then it has a beginning and an end, but join it again and it continues one eternal round. So with the spirit of man. as the lord lives, if it had a beginning, it will have an end. All the fools, and the Learned, and the Wise men, from the beginning of creation, who say that the spirit of man had a beginning prove that it has an end; and if that docterine is true, then the docterine if annihilation would be true. Is it logical to say that the the intelligence of spirits is immortal and yet it has a beginning?
In essence, the intelligence of spirits had no beginning neither will it have an end, and there was never was a time when there were not spirits.
did I stump you? Just in gest! But don't wory, Im on your side!
Well RFRWCs;
I have just picked this one up hot off the wire. I am not kidding, this is a serious legitimate post. I thought everyone needed to catch this one:
"The hole thing is so grossly scary. No offense to Christians who really believe they are doing good things, but from what I see, my empericle evidence suggest that a Christain is a killer. I said on another thread, anything associated with following Jesus is to kill or be killed. They scare me. The more I read, the more I understand, the more I sit with them trying to understand, the more I want to pee myself. (name withheld)- they really don't care. I could almost swear that they really want to see Armegedon. I think I am gonna puke. I really think they believe that to kill us all is the right way, and that it is God's will. Govna Palin scares the crap out of me. If McCain doesn't kill over by himself than I would think she would have him knocked off just to be the one to push the easy button. She is a liar and a theif. How on Gods good Earth can anyone want a liar and a thief as our leader???? What is wrong with some people?"
I just love the "no offense" disclaimer. Yeah, right, no offense... I have tried to make some serious tongue in cheek stuff, but I just can't top that one!
I saw that also VP. I felt it didn't deserve a response at all. They can evolve all they want, but I know my Lord and Savior has different plans for His children.
HI viralprospector :0)
Thats what I thought! was not intended for you..LOL
Later Have agreat one.;)
In Jesus!!! Mike:0)
Sir Dent;
You have great restraint. You know, we have proof that that guy Dan is wrong. There is a hell... and it is the hubpages forums. Is is a place of eternal torture and suffering. It is ruled by the Devil, and it is a very, very uncomfortable place for Christians.
VP and SirDent, I also saw that 'no offence' post. This is also from the person who says she hates the 'Good Book' as she calls it and would like to burn it. And also that nothing good can ever come from having anything to do with Christ. SirDent you did not deserve that comment. I didn't comment on it. I thought about it, but when I comment with those certain people, it just seems like it is in vain. But, I have noticed that when I see people being so critical of posts like SirDents, that they seem to be sad, negative people and only enjoy life when they are making people who are doing good miserable. Remember the Bible says that the Devil is like a lion walking to and fro on this earth. Satan is alive and well and showing himself at each and every chance he has. Just remember, we as Christians will always be here for each other. Why? Because we have the same Father. Matthew commands us to go out and preach, teach, witness and baptize. We are doing everything we can to try to help people see the Light just as He asked us. We are doing what is right, despite what we are getting back on these posts. God said His Word will not return void. Let's all try to remember that promise when we are feeling down and out about what is going on here on the hubpages and in life. I find myself getting bad upset at things and sometimes it's harder to remember than others that He who is within us is greater than he that is in the world. But, it's true. The end is already decided. Take hope! WE WIN!!!
Cast not thy pearls to swine, and in the same breath I would imply that though the lord warned us to "Judge not" Still you should judge rightously, and in humility when you have been offended tolerate no evil, but go your way and agree quickly or disagree promptly so not to rouse anger and stir feelings of hatred which bring one down to the gulf of misery.
Mikeq107;
Thanks for the encouragement! I just knew that we could find lots of very funny material for this hub. I try to figure out the mindset that compels such writing, but it really confuses me. I have a couple of more jewels for later, when I find time. Comedians seem to be everywhere these days. I appreciate it.
Allshookup;
Wow, I must have missed some more good material for the hub there. I guess what is shocking is that the atheists on those hubs find a way to twist it around that WE are the ones doing wrong. I know if you or Sir Dent wrote like that, I would get on your case. Why is it that atheists will turn their back on fellow gargage mouthed fools and nit pick every letter of a Christians comments?
Onusonus;
Those are wise words. I try to keep things moving forward, but some people have a way of sidetracking progress with misguided comments. Then, the dialogue just falls apart.
Whether or not I make progress has become secondary to not letting people lie about Christians, Christianity, God, Jesus and the Bible. I am sick of seeing it, and I do not tolerate it anymore. It is very difficult to know how to handle much of this that goes on on Hubpages. I refuse to just turn my back on it. I am determined to never start it, but I am more than willing to finish it.
There are many people that I do not agree with. I am fine with disagreement, but some of this stuff is ridiculous.
Great question VP. I have been feeling like whatever I say will indeed be picked apart and made totally different than the way I say it. I don't know why they do it. The sad thing is, all we are doing is trying to help them. I mean, if we just went there to trash them, I could understand them wanting to be the way they are, but we aren't. I just wanted to say thank you, too, for looking into what is posted to find out the total truth. I appreciate that a lot!
Allshookup;
I knew there had to be more to it than they were saying. I did not want to accuse anyone or anything, but that is so deceitful to try to make nothing into something like that. I know you do not need me to defend you, but often it is best to let others straighten out the backstabbers anyway. I am proud to be on the same winning team with you.
Believe me I know the feeling of futility that comes from trying to post legitimate information, only to be met with foolishness. I try to finish things off becasue it is my feeling that God deserves it, but it does indeed seem futile to try to straighten out the lies from the truth. Thanks for everything.
I really appreciate that you had my back. Good to know I have friends like you on here. And that person who did it seems to love to do that. I see him do it often to a number of people. He is indeed a spin doctor. I didn't want to post because I feel like he is trying to pull me into saying more that he would distort. But, with you doing what you did, I think it made him take notice more than if I had done it. Thanks so much!!
Allshookup;
My favorite part of those threads is when they end. You are right that it is just a no win proposition. The comments made to the original poster were so rude about the karma stuff. It was really sad, but then you did a great job of defending her and her husband. It seemed to me that that just made the mean people look foolish for their attacks, so they attacked you. You noticed that the woman who started the thread was very grateful to you for showing such class as you do. It did not surprise me to see them try to get you, then.
I find it super foolish that comments from another thread altogether were put into that thread. That is really scraping the bottom of the barrel. Life is supposed to be fun. That stuff is hateful, but someone has to set the record straight, it seems to me.
I know you really mean well in your time here. I pray that you are able to bless many others here like you have blessed me. Don't let that mess stop you, OK?
Your comment really humbles me. I actually have been feeling that I am of no use on here by looking at so many of the comments. Thank you so much for saying that. I want to be positive and say the right things the right way. Sometimes I just find it hard to do. Thanks for the prayers. You are in mine also. I have felt today that this is sort of a mission field for us who are Christians. I can't imagine doing this in person and getting these words pointed at me face to face. You also bless me very much. Thanks so much for your encouragement.
AllShookUp & VP,
It's easy to feel that you are of no use. Just remember that we have been given different gifts. And just because you feel useless doesn't mean that you actually are. You never know what impact you may have and never know about. The important thing is to stay faithful to Christ. As long as you do that, you'll never be a failure.
Keep it up.
Blessings,
Ben
Allshookup;
Never forget that God promises that your good works will be rewarded, for those who follow Jesus to inherit the kingdom. Yours are unquestionably good works. I am very much blessed by crossing paths here recently. I really look forward to lots of good times here together. You can't go anywhere, OK?
Ben;
Thanks for your words of encouragement!
Ben, Thanks for the words of encouragement. I appreciate them. I am trying to find out just what gifts He has given to me and use those for Him.
VP, I really feel like this is a place I need to be. I always pray for God to lead me daily with every decision and I don't feel that finding hubpages was an accident. So, I plan on sticking around for a while. Thanks!
AllShookUp & VP,
You both are very much welcome. I'm sure that if we stay faithful, God will bless our efforts.
Remember, as much as the world hates Jesus and His followers, they need Him. And that's why we are here, to point them to Christ. We just need to show love to one another as brothers and sisters in Christ because the world is watching.
How do you know when you have passed from death unto life? Because you love the brethren.
I love the Word of God. It comes through in every possible situation imagineable to man. Glory to God forevermore \o/
Sir Dent;
You do have the coolest smiley \o/. Thanks for the positive words to start my day!
Seek to inspire your brethren in Christ, I'v said this before but I believe it is worth repeating; During an address to Harvard Divinity School Ralph Waldo Emerson said to the graduating class the following:
It is my duty to say to you that the need for revelation was never greater than now, The doctrine of revelation is lost; miracles, prophecy, the holy life, exist as ancient history only. Men speak about revelation as somwhat long ago given and done as though God were dead. It is the office of a teacher to show that God is, and not was. That he speaketh, not spake.
Onusonus;
Those are terrific words. I think that many of find it easy to try to inspire the brethren. Where there seems some difficulty is with the great commission. The internet was not in place when Jesus was here, although He knew all about it. It is encompassed in the Word.
To me, I must either be with Him or against Him. I cannot be neutral. The web has so much vile blasphemy, including HubPages. I find it completely out of control on the forums here. There are a few real evil people there who just try to derail the great commission. It ends up just being futility, and maybe that is why you advocate inspiring the brethren. First, it is productive, and second it is not just an exercise in futility, like the forums here.
Ideally, the internet is a great place to evangelize. Many other forums are full of atheists who know the Bible and are willing to learn what it is about to us, too. I learn from them about real frsutrations, not just mental masturbation, like happens on the Hubpages forums. Then, some evangelism has power and impact.
Still, we tend to wonder if we should stay the course on places of dry fruit, like these forums. Miracles, holiness and spiritual life are more alive for me today than ever. Hopefully, we can arrive at the best ways to spread that to His glory and honor.
Sorry I went off into left field with that one, huh. It must be the RFRWC in me coming out again.
UGH!!!!! Sorry had to let that out! VP, I totally understand what you are saying. And yes, you are either with Him or you are against Him. The Bible says that and It also says that if we are lukewarm He will spew us out of His mouth. So, I really feel we are doing the right thing in voicing how we feel and trying our best to share Scripture with them. God's Word will not return unto Him void. So, even though they act like they are not hearing what we are saying, they are getting something from it. It may just totally tick them off, but when I see them mad, etc, it lets me know we have hit a nerve with them. And that's a good thing. If we were not touching them in some way, they would just accept us and not be acting like they are. They are being hateful and mean. But who is it toward? It is toward the Truth. It is toward God. We are just the messengers. And yes, it makes me want to lash back because He is our Lord and Savior. And I admit I do lash back from time to time. But I hope that when I do it is in at last some way that they can see the truth.
"Mental masturbation?!" Brilliant!
As I said before I agree with you, Tolerate no evil, and remember the meaning of the word restoration; to bring back again evil for evil, or carnal for carnal, or devilish for devilish-good for that which is good; righteous for that which is righteous; just for that which is just; merciful for that which is merciful.
Therefore see that you are merciful to your brethren; deal justly, judge righteously, and do good continually; and if you do all of these things, you will recieve your reward, and you will have mercy restored to you, and justice, and good.
and remember that which you send out will be returned to you again, and be restored; therefore the word restoration more fully condemns the sinner and justifies him not at all.
And there are those who twist the truth at an expedient rate, but be merciful to them for their road is like a raft in the storm, they have built for themselves a sandy foundation, and when the storm passes them by so shall their faith falter like a house built in the sand.
Viral, I would like to share something with you.
I work on nuclear submarines. You have heard that America has the potential to destroy the earth, but you might not know that the potential lies inside of those submarines. I had a dream once, and in that dream I was going to work when I noticed the missile hatch to the submarine was open and filled with water. There standing on a platform in the water was a girl who was entering the waters of baptism, and all around were children making noise, creating a great disturbance, and making a mockery of the scene. To this commotion I never felt more saddened and angry. But my ears became deafened to the world and I heard nothing for a small space of time. And I sat and watched as the young girl was dipped into the water, and as she rose out, her countanence was brightened even to the point where a heavenly glory was wrapped around her, and it filled her overflowingly and a light filled my soul so much that inspite of myself I wept as I lie in my bed.
I later realized the meaning which was the plight that I would have to endure in life, that there is opposition in all things. But the rewards to faith and endurance are limitless.
Thanks again VP!
ONusonus;
Wow, what can I say. I got chills from that (my prayer partner calls them "God bumps"). How can such a poetic person work on a nuclear submarine? That is pretty shocking, and I mean that you are so gifted in so many ways, obviously. I am trying to envision your feelings, since I have never known anyone who does what you do. I imagine that the protests and such have a profound impact on you, I mean.
God uses our experiences to shape us to glorify his Kingdom. Can you share more about what you do. If it is confidential totally, I understand, but I am fascinated by that.
Allshookup;
Time to dust your feet off and move on, I think. That Hubpages forum nonsense is so far beneath you. I see that your comments are so far over their heads that it is pointless to think they might get it at all. I think they are just posturing and provoking. It is just a waste of time, it seems to me. What do you think of it?
I agree. I think we've done all we can. I have to run to help a neighbor. (You know, those people Christians are mean and hateful to heehee) I'll be back in a little while.
One thing we must remeber as we post in forums. There may be a brother or sister out there reading what we say who is weak. We must not let the need to be right override what needs to be said.
Onusonus, there is a lot of wisdom coming through your words. I appreciate them also.
I'll tell you tomorrow, Duty calls.
Sir Dent;
What would you think that weak Christian might need from the forum? Might it differ with each person? That is not meant to be condescending because it seems apparent that it would be. However, I am trying to help understand what you recommend. What does God say we should do?
Im really just saying we need to be careful of what we say. Mostly me. I posted my last post on one thread last night for that very reason. Sometimes it is best to stay away even if you are right. That's all I mean by my earlier comment.
Sir Dent;
I agree. I bite my tongue more often than not. I don't know how folks find the time to post for hour after hour every day. I'd go broke.
God bless you, brother.
Hi. I'm back. Had to go over and kick my neighbor's dog. Kidding! We go to church together and she's not doing well so we went over to check on her and carry her something to eat. I see not much has changed in the forum while I was gone.
Allshookup;
Don't go on the forum then. They will accuse you of torturing and killing the dog. Remember, we Christians are just killers. Well, the problem is that they have never met a real Christian. Oh well, gee, we just thought we were Christians. Hey, they know, after all. What do we know?
Don't try to tell them about doing good. We Christians don't do any good either. We're hypocrites. I think I may have to do a "ten best" off of that forum. If I find time, I will. Really, I can't dream up anything sarcastic to top the BS they post.
Seriously, god bless you for your charity for your neighbor. God rewards your good deeds to those who follow Jesus.
She's a sweet little lady. My son adores her. She has become like a grandmother to us. This is the first time in my life that I have ever seen people hate Christ and Christians like they do. It shocks me so much because of how I was raised I guess. It's so sad to me. But at times very frustrating. But yeah, we'll bury the dog tomorrow if you want to come lol. Wait, that might be too nice. I may just toss him over a bridge. That would be more like us. LOL I don't know what could have happened to make people hate Christians like they do. I have known some who were fake Christians but it never turned me against Him because I know that it's them and not Him that are that way. Does that make sense?
I'd love to see that hub! I'm sure you could make a huge one. Nice post on the forum btw.
Allshookup;
The biggest Evangelist I ever knew personally told me something interesting about atheists. He said that almost invariably that the reason people resist Jesus is they cannot deal with their sin. Isn't that counterintuitive?. The only way we have to deal with our sin is Jesus, and yet that is the very reason they avoid Him.
I am convinced that the kind of mess we find on the forums has nothing to do with us. there are amazing forums out there where atheists know the Bible. They just have trouble with a few parts that are hard to understand. They would never think of insulting us like that, and they recieve no grief either. The discusssions are more about changing the world. I came here to further my internet businesses, and I ended up in the middle of this religious battle. Go figure...
I don't think you came here by accident tho. I'd love to know more about your internet business. I have searched the internet and cannot find anything legit that I can do without investing money in. I'd like to find something I can do while homeschooling our son. Ive prayed about it so I know that God will put me where I should be. I agree with everything you just said. We as Christians do not understand every single thing in the Bible, but that's how God intended it. We believe through faith. But, those who are not saved, I think it would be hard to udnerstand the things that we do as Christians. They do tend to fight against it hard. It makes me feel really sorry for them. I may be poor as far as money is concerned here on earth. But my retirement home is out of this world!
Allshookup;
I would be delighted to show you what we do online. It is not easy, but it would probably help. I do not spam or scam, anything like that. If you want to see an exapmle, just go to http://cars.itmh.org. It is almost finished. I spent 25 years at GM with a $1B a month account, so I have soft spot for cars. We sold a $29,000 car there a while ago. We have 76 websites, and we want them to be pretty turn key. That takes a while, though. So, I work hard on this now. I would be gald to share it all with you for free. You will need to spend about $10 a month for a server, and $8 for a domain name. That is a pretty cheap business that will make legitimate money.
You can email me if you want through my VP handle.
knolyourself is really something. Trying to push you I'd say. :/ Sounds like he's never been way down where the only place you have left is to look up. That's a place you never forget if you ever are there.
You should have email VP.
Allshookup;
I also believe that when there is no place left to turn, that is when Jesus has you right where He wants you. That is where He had me that I turned to Him. He showed me once and for all that He is who He says He is. I never look in any other direction.
Allshookup;
Whoops let me see how to sign up for email. My wife takes care of most of the techie stuff, so I guess I overlooked that. Thanks for letting me know.
Exactly! I have also been there. A day I'll never forget. But like you said, it was for my own good to be there. It's made me who I am today. Although if you ask some, that may not be a good thing lol. It's a very eye-opening experience. You realize how small and unimportant you really are. And how ALL- important He is.
No problem. I'm really sorry that they tried to pull you down because of me in there on the forum. I hate that happened. Makes me feel bad. I have to say goodnight for now. Hubbys needing me to help him. I hope yall have great dreams. I'll check in with y'all tomorrow. Blessings to you all!!
Allshookup;
There is absolutely no issue with you causing me any grief whatsoever. Honestly, even if we had not connected, i would make exactly the same posts there. I hate that kind of browbeating from them, so I pop them for doing it every time. I cut them no slack for anyone they gang up on. So, do not give it another thought. It is just the right thing to do is all.
I just posted probably my last post on the who is a christian thread. It most likely will be closed down anyway.
Sir Dent;
I will go check it out. I am pretty tired of that forum. We seem to be getting nowhere positive with that crew. I sure don't have any other ideas now.
I think the last post I made should slow everyone down or at least show them the real truth. Either way it goes, I am going to stop being pulled in by trollish remarks.
Sir Dent;
God will reward you for your work here. You have done a magnificent job of glorifying Him and bringing His kingdom honor. It is a great relief to me that you are here. You make a big defference. I loved that post on the forum. It might make even them think - lol.
It might make them think, but only if they actually read it. ;) Glory to God anyway \o/
Sir Dent;
You are right, they must have eyes to see...
I think the forums are a perpetual motion machine. However, it only seems to be producing compost.
O LORD, rebuke me not in thine anger, neither chasten me in thy hot displeasure.
Have mercy upon me, O LORD; for I am weak: O LORD, heal me; for my bones are vexed.
My soul is also sore vexed: but thou, O LORD, how long?
Return, O LORD, deliver my soul: oh save me for thy mercies' sake.
For in death there is no remembrance of thee: in the grave who shall give thee thanks?
I am weary with my groaning; all the night make I my bed to swim; I water my couch with my tears.
Mine eye is consumed because of grief; it waxeth old because of all mine enemies.
Depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity; for the LORD hath heard the voice of my weeping.
The LORD hath heard my supplication; the LORD will receive my prayer.
Let all mine enemies be ashamed and sore vexed: let them return and be ashamed suddenly.
Sir Dent;
That is a strong prayer. Is all OK with you? You have fought a hard fight here, and you have prevailed with Him. You have clearly stood for Him, so you will not be accused to be against Him. Others seem to feel that they need to join the enemy to defeat Him. It will be very enlightening to see how the enemy uses that weakness and disobedience, and how God will be glorified.
I find it a dilemma, but I do believe that brushing off the dust and moving on is very appropriate with some atheists on Hubpages. Some of them here have different ethics than Christians. So, it is easy for them to twist the truth. The rest applaud and cheer without merit.
GOd Is DEAD! man..thought everyone knew already about that. Nietzsche dixit
Nietzche had somthing interesting to say about a Nihlistic mentality. "A nihilist judges the world as it ought not to be and of the world as it ought to be that it does not exist. According to this view, our existance (Action, suffering, willing, feeling) the pathose of "in vane" is the Nihilist's pathos, at the same time as pathose-an inconsistancy on the part of the nihilist."
That prayer is one of David's Psalms. Chapter 6. It shows how I have felt the last few days, but if you notice the end of it, God's children will prevail.
Joe would you happen to have proof of your assertion? If so I would love to see it.
Joe;
That is a good joke. It fits nicely on this thread. Really, though, I am not sure you need to call Nietzsche a dip $--t, though. Well, OK...
VP and SirDent, I really admire the way you both handled yourself on the forum expecially when being attacked like you were. I'm glad to be in your company. I find myself letting them get to me because I don't take it as they are attacking me so much, but God. And that is so hard to take for me. I need to learn to be calmer like y'all when I aswer them. I also think I am through with that thread though. I feel like we 3 plus PT has really showed them the One way to Heaven. We have all given Scripture for them to open their eyes. I honestly don't see a whole lot more we can do. Ben seems to be hanging in there, bless his heart. Moneymaker seems to have changed his views at some point. I thought at first he was more leaning toward the Christian viewpoint. Now, it doesn't seem so. Very sad. And for what Joe says, He did die, but He is now alive and well. If you'd like, we can share with you how to find Him. You are in the company of people who care about you. :) I have doctors appointments today but I wanted to check in and see what was going on here before I left. It will probably be tomorrow before I am on again.
Sir Dent;
Continue to fight the good fight. If your circumstances have been difficult in this fight, I would not be surprised. Committing the time that you have done to this battle here is a huge sacrifice. However, God will come through for you. If there is anything I can do, please email me or let me know here.
This webiste would have been a very different place without your terrific Christian loyalty. All Christians need to stand for God like you have done. You will absolutely be blessed by Him.
I agree VP. SirDent, you have been wonderful in this fight. God will richly bless you for everything you do for Him. But, VP, you also fight the fight with much strength. I admire you both. God will bless you and your families for the efforts you put forth.
Sir Dent:
I am praying with you for those things that God will give to you. Where two or more of us agree, He is in agreement, and He is here with us. Remember that Jesus told His disciples that they would be persecuted for using His name. I will continue to stand in full agreement with you in your prayers. God pour out His mighty mercy and grace upon you, my dear brother.
We must remeber that the war is not a war of flesh and blood. We war against principalities and powers.
Allshookup;
I am also praying with you now for your doctor's appointments. God loves you for your sweet reinforcing nature. I pray that He pour out His blessings on you this day as you go through doctor visits. Thank you for being so caring as to check in on us all.
Oh how you ought to give thanks to your heavenly king! and if you render all the thanks and praise which your whole soul has power to posess, to that God who has created you, and has kept you and preserved you, and has caused that you should rejoice, and has granted that you should live in peace with one another-
I say if you should serve him who has created you from the beginning and is preserving you from day to day by lending you breaththat you may live and move according to your own will, and even supporting you from moment to moment, I say if you would serve him with your whole souls still you would be unprophetable servents.
And all that he requires is that you keep his commandments; and he has promised youthat you would prosper, and he never varies from what he says, therefore if you do this he blesses you.
And now in the first place he has created you and granted you your lives, for which you are indebted to him.
And secondly here quires that you should do as he has commanded, and if you do this he does immediately bless you, and therefore he has payed you of which you are stll indebted to him and are and will be forever and ever.
Therfore what have you to boast? You cannot even say that you are as much as the dust of the earth.
Every day I walk over a vessle carrying twenty four balistic missiles armed individually with multi-nuclear warheads. I've been spit on and protested by those who carry their own passions I am a man of war but look forward to the day when our swords shall be beat into plowshares and our spears shall be pruninghooks.
Onusonus;
Don't you think most all warriors feel that way? A warrior must do his job, but it seems to me to be the toughest job there is. Do you cringe whenever tensions heat up in the political arena that makes war seem more possible? All the anti war antics bug me. It is so demeaning to our troops.
Allshookup;
I hope all went well at the doctor. I think I need to go to the doctor, too. I am nauseated from the garbage on the Hubpages forums.
I try not to pay attention to politics, the house becomes divided against it's self, rather I would prey who to vote for. In Washington a law was passed so protesters could not come within a certain distance of funerals. They said things such as, "Thank God for dead soldiers." and "God hates fags." It was a small, misguided church who gave rest of us a bad name, you may have heard about them.
I recently read a book called "Tortured for Christ." I wept for this man and the people of the slovick nations held captive by Communism, Imagine there were no religion, it's easy if you try, all the priests, pastors, and ministers were tucked away into prison camps and tortured and brain washed for years. Imagine a Catholic person going to confession to speak to a priest who in reality was a government official. or an evangelical being taught the word of God as prescribed by Karl Marks. Imagine the clergymen saying to the people "God had three great revelations; Moses, Jesus, and Joseph Stahlin!"
I used to think that Atheism was no big deal, I know some of them, theyr'e not that bad just give them their space. But what if atheism was the national religion? It is then truely exposed for what it realy is, an evil monster, one of the most wicked and terrible forms of oppression that at one point had control of nearly half of the world. Truely the greatest trick the devil ever played was making the world believe that he desn't exist.
And here is why I believed at one point that we were the good guys. The United states of America has a manifest destiny; that being our borders are from sea to shiny sea, the end. Communists however wish to take over the world, it's in their doctrine. We have to protect our lives, our freedom, our children, our ability to follow the dictates of one's own conscience; Not God Damn America! Not God damn America!... God bless America! Bless us with wisdom and temprence, humility, faith and hope, compassion, understanding. Let us not be harrowed up in our pride, let us no more be children tossed to and fro and carried about by every worldly whim of doctrine by the slight of men whereby they lie in wait to decieve.
And to answer your question Viral prospector, I should think that we all cringe in times of wars and rumors of wars but the toughest job I would say is parenting, and instilling values in our children in a world that grows ever darker in filth and coruption.
Truely this day was forseen by Paul, when men are lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobediant to parents, unthankful, unholy, without natural affection, trucebreakers, despisers of those that are good, the list gose on. But be of good cheer for God is with us.
Onusonus;
Thank you for that great perspective on our country and our life. I do need to remember your last line more often and lighten up. God expects us to be joyful in all things, and that is difficult as I see all the many problems around us.
I feel that my generation has failed God and our country in comparison to what we should have done. I know it is stupid, but I feel personally responsible for that. I realize fully that God has a perfect plan, and we are working through that with His full knowledge of it all, every minute detail that He knew before Adam and Eve.
That is a beautiful comment onusonus. I agree wholeheartedly also. This world hates God because God is light the and the light causes darkness to flee.
We have all failed God VP. There is not one single person who hasn't failed Him. The world will get more and more wicked because God said it was going to happen. The truly blind ones think it is getting better because darkness is getting thicker and heavier.
We must keep doing what we are called to do. We are to love God with all out heart, mind, body and strength. We must love our neighbors as ourselves.
Psa 104:1 Bless the LORD, O my soul. O LORD my God, thou art very great; thou art clothed with honour and majesty.
Psa 104:2 Who coverest thyself with light as with a garment: who stretchest out the heavens like a curtain:
Psa 104:3 Who layeth the beams of his chambers in the waters: who maketh the clouds his chariot: who walketh upon the wings of the wind:
Psa 104:4 Who maketh his angels spirits; his ministers a flaming fire:
Sir Dent;
It is great to start the day with such positive thinking. Thanks for the added encouragement and praise for our Lord.
In case you missed it, there has been a lot of confusion about why the hubpages forums are so ridiculous. Well, the iditoic rhetoric becomes clearer all the time from the Hubpages forums. In case you missed this one, you need to get a load of this, yes as it a load of compost. Here is the post:
"As you may have noticed, one of the ways I do this is to antagonize people and see what their reaction is. It gives me a good idea as to their personality. Many thank me afterwards once they appreciate it is not personal and often helps them grow. Of course, some of them despise me and will go to the trouble of attacking me outside of hubpages, but that is a price I am prepared to pay to see into someone more clearly. It is very easy to disguise one's genuine nature using online discussions........"
Yeah, right, sure. Can't you just imagine some bone head thanking someone for being purposely antagonistic? But better yet, can't you see this clown being a great judge of character? Yep, just in case you thought this person was really just unknowledgeable, he is beyond that. He is purposely nasty.
Yep, we sure grow from getting some stupid, nasty replies to our opinions. Well, folks, that pretty well summarizes the answers to the questions we have had about why it seemed so mean and stupid. It is actually intentional. Way to go hubpages!
Wow, thanks for the headsup. I had not seen that. I've been working on a NASCAR hub and haven't really looked at the forums. UGH! What a mess! That comes across as kinda conceited of that person, don't you think? And why would you want to do that what he said in the first place? Because they are unhappy in life maybe? This hub is much more peaceful. I perfer peace if possible. Although, if need be, I will scrap. Today though, I'm kinda wanting peace.
Well, looks like Misty is calling me a liar. What do y'all feel would be the best to do? Try to rephrase what I said or just let it go?
Allshookup;
Wow, a hub about the good ole boys, eh? I LOVE NASCAR. Give me the link when you get it done. I have a ton of stories for that hub. I know I have a lot of stories period, huh.
Allshookup;
If you want peace, don't go there. I am certain that it would be easy to logically debunk their allegations, but it would just generate more fiction literature in reply. I have not seen any nonfiction in a while there.
Good point. Sad but true.
I loved your NASCAR hub, and I left you a note there. You ARE a NASCAR fan. That will be fun trading stories there, too.
Aww thanks! I do love NASCAR.
They shot down the idea to build a track in my neighborhood a few months ago.
:( well, we need to protest!
It's time for me to turn in for the night. Y'all have a great one. Blessings! I'll check in with y'all after church tomorrow.
Oh, and VP, I left you a comment on my NASCAR hub in case you get a chance to read it.
Not very fond of protesters!
Just got home from a church service. Had an awesome time in the Lord.
Onusonus;
Ouch, missing out on a NASCAR track will cost the community a lot of money. I guess the flip side of that is that there will be no noise or traffic congestion on race day. I live close enough to our track to hear the roar and know not to go out unless I go early or late. What was the issue in your community?
Allshookup;
I know that you believe that there should be a NASCAR track in every town, huh? Right on, nothing wrong with Christian rednecks in massive numbers everywhere. That is a good one, too, Onusonus, for the protest comment. With your experience with protesters, that is a sore spot there indeed. I am certain that no offense is intended either way. AFter all, NASCAR fans are some of the biggest jokers of all.
Sir Dent;
That is great that you had a terrific time at church last night. We did, too. Our nephew was baptised, along with 65 other kids and twenty adults. Yes, this is a 15,000 member church.
I want to revisit a prophetic word that you wrote earlier on this thread.
"We must remeber that the war is not a war of flesh and blood. We war against principalities and powers." How wise that was since we were just trying to make sense of the forum thread. You had nailed it in that comment.
This is the work of satan there. Satan is the great deceiver, and this person, who is the idol of all there, purposes to deceive. I sometimes forget, in the worldly, that satan owns the soul of all who are not following Jesus. I cannot forget that.
I try to live by the fact that I am either for God or against Him. I fight those who fight against God. I do not fight hard enough in the battle for those who are neutral, for in reality they are against Him. I find it really irritating when Christians tolerate such deceit by the enemy and treat him as OK.
As you recall, this was the statement. (I find it funny how satan likes to boast. This is an example.) “As you may have noticed, one of the ways I do this is to antagonize people and see what their reaction is."
Yet, God is at watch with us. I wanted to give it a while to see if any person on that forum would see satan there, but no one did. I found 'antagonize' such a telling choice of words. It derives from the word agony. I hate satan so much for deceiving people like these on the forum now to think that by giving Christians agony, they are right, only to leave them with eternal agony. Even their life now is agaony, but satan will not let them see the fun of being a Christian. They actually think our life is boring. They can't see how fun and challenging it is to resist satan and watch the miraculous, merciful hand of God.
I could not find the words to write this to them.
I was in a fist fight with satan once. I wonder if he can actually manifest himself. He has only appeared through others to me in physical form so far. It was a several hour fight with someone far stronger than me. He never landed a blow on me, and I never tried to hit. I saw satan fly out my closed front door, and I heard him. Otherwise I would not know it was him.
Sir Dent, thanks for perceiving this. That comment closed the loop. Do any of you think that there is anything more that we can do there? I think that to expose this satanic group as they are would not make them see. One person there seems to be absent the holy spirit and His wisdom, oddly neutral and lukewarm. That maybe bothers me more. So, I am hesitant to intrude on the thread and fire up an ego.
How do we deal with those who appear neutral, but are stubbornly neutral to the detriment of God? That is a popular form of disobedience on Hubpages, too. It is the old "live and let live" path to hell. That is what I wrote this thread about, and I thank you Onusonus, Sir Dent and Allshookup for helping me to deal with this. You are all a blessing to me for your wisdom, sincerity and kindness.
VP,
HubPages is a forum of this World. As such, it is in the domain of Satan, who currently rules this world. You are posting your messages in a realm that isn't yours.
Why are you surprised to find Satan in his own realm? And why does it upset you so when he acts the way he does? D you really expect him to do otherwise?
The Apostle Paul went to Mars Hill and took their own creation, the Unknown God, and preached Christ. He met them where they were at and spoke to them in a way they would understand. He didn't change the gospel at all. He simple took the message and presented it in a way that was different than the way he would have presented it to a devout Jew. The message was the same, the presentation was different.
Let the Truth do you fighting.
Blessings,
Ben
Ben;
Sadly, you make my exact point when you falsely claim, "HubPages is a forum of this World. As such, it is in the domain of Satan, who currently rules this world."
That is why I wrote this hub and why I am so upset with that thread on the forums. Satan rules nothing. Yes, I know that he is called that, and I know the scripture. Do you and have you studied it? Jesus resisted satan for 40 days intensely, and all His life. Satan does not rule Jesus! Are you not like Jesus? Do you not strive to do as He did? If so, how can you say that satan rules this world?
Satan may rule some people's world, Ben, and I am very sorry for that. He does not rule my world one bit. Do I mean that I am sinless, then? Of course not. I mean that I sin, and it is because I do not constantly call on Jesus to make me win. When I wrongly sin, my power is still infinitely greater than all of satan and his fallen angels. I have just chosen, in my case without thinking, to ignore my power, that power which is infinitely greater than satan and his fallen angels, my Lord Jesus Christ.
Every person is either with God or against Him. That was and is my point. I will not be lukewarm and expect Jesus to want to spit me out. Before you can claim the truth, you have to find the truth. The Bible is infallible, but only after you have wrestled with these types of apparent inconsistencies.
Did satan have power to do as he wished with Job? Nope. God gave him his limits. It is hardly God's perfect plan to let satan rule the world! God kicked satan out of heaven, and He will condemn him to hell. Satan can also be our thorn to teach us humility. I have said to you before, Ben, "How can Satan cast out Satan? If a kingdom is divided against itself, that kingdom will not be able to stand."
Feel free to condone satan if you want on the forum. I will simply call it what it is, disobedience to God. I stand for God by standing firm against those who fight against Him. I am particularly disgusted by those who claim to be for Him but in fact are just neutral, lukewarm. Satan roams freely, but God Jesus controls this world. If satan controlled this world, we would not stand a chance against him. Well, not me, Ben. I control satan. This is God's world, not satan's.
To answer the rest of your post. It is not a matter of semantics. It is a matter of obedience. When you do not know the truth because of deception, you can be the biggest smoochie poochie in the world, and you are still deceived and deceiving. However, satan will love it, and he will boast through you. The world will congratulate you.
I will do my fighting armed with the Bible, God Jesus and the Holy Spirit in me. I will not abdicate my responsibility to represent God to satanic worshippers through fighting against them.
Ben, fighting against those, who fight against God, is not personal. Those people are filled with satan because they are not filled with Jesus. The fight is against satan who is manifesting himself through them that fight God. It is a fight. It is not some love fest with the enemy. Spit in the face of satan, Ben, not give him a big kiss.
You say, "You are posting your messages in a realm that isn't yours." I say, come join me in my realm, the realm of my Lord Jesus Christ the King of Kings and the Lord of Lords.
Onusonus, I'm sorry. I was only kidding. I have never protested anything in my life. I was only trying to make you smile and show you I am on your side. It's sad that you didn't get a track though. And yes, I think tracks should be everywhere like VP said. I hope I didn't offend you. Please accept my apologies. Friends?
Well, Since y'all are telling about your services, you know I have to, too. We had wonderful services. Our former pastor, who is now a home missionary, preached. As usual, it was wonderful. God is using him so much! The alter was full, mostly of Christians praying about our nation and what is to come of this upcoming election and the things that we should be doing but aren't. We raised up all of our leaders, church leaders, community, town, county, state and national, to the Lord, and asked for His hand on them all and on us as we elect and follow them. That we should be the servants He wants us to be. The singing was awesome too. A married couple sang Ray Boltz's "I Pledge Allegiance To The Lamb." Not a dry eye in the house. It didn't seem like we were there 5 mintues. Time flies when you are in a serivce like that. I still have chills. Or as my son calls them "God Bumps." God was really moving today. It's such a wonderful thing when you feel like you can just reach out and phycially touch the Holy Spirit. A couple were saved, and I think all who were there had their hearts touched. We run about 150 on Sunday mornings. We are a small country church, but then again, we live in the sticks.
The forum on hubpages has kinda been a question in my mind. First, we are to spread God's word as commanded to us in Matthew. Go forth..... And I feel that is what we have been trying to do in there. To share how to be saved. I've always heard the term 'You catch 'em and God will clean 'em.' Course that may be because we live in a big fishing community. But, that's always the way I've been taught. To tell them, then the rest is up to them.
I have also been taught to never argue over the Bible. It seems when A Christian goes to the forum, the first thing that happens is we get attacked and drawn into a fight. I do believe that we should tell them in there, which we have. But, I don't feel we should be drawn into their fights. I have to admit I have done it and have had to ask forgiveness for that. I have let them pull me down into that and that was wrong of me. The Bible says not to argue over it. I'll admit it's so hard not to when I see people trashing my Lord and Savior. I want to just jump back in their faces and tell them how wrong they are. But, is that right of me? Does that push them futher away from accepting what I have said? That is where my question lies. Where is the line? Where do I stop with them? Take one post I did, I typed the Romans Road in it. Then later, I was called a liar for it. Do I try to take up for what I said or just let them see the words from the Bible? I have been on both sides of this question in my mind. Any advice?
All shook up,
I know you were just kidding, I suppose that my sense of humor is a little dry I was actually trying to be funny and failed miserably!
All shook up,
I know you were just kidding, I suppose that my sense of humor is a little dry I was actually trying to be funny and failed miserably!
Onusonus;
I think we all got it. It was perfect. I know that allshookup was just making sure, and I know she is relieved to hear that validation from you. She is so sweet that she could not stand to have possibly hurt you. We knew that a guy running on a nuclear sub must have strength and not a thin skin, but it was very sweet to me that she wanted to be sure.
Thank you Viral prospector.
Now I was reading that conversation you had about Satan, My oppinion is that the power of Satan is like a two year old with a water pistol, Where God is the greatest army that ever existed. And the light shines in the darkness and the darkness comprehends it not. Such is the power of Satan, it is darkness, but light immediately has power over the dark even when it is completly surounded. The darkness flees, no matter how insignificant the light.
Onusonus, Thanks for the forgiveness and understanding! I feel much better now! It's kinda hard to tell by just seeing typed words sometimes how people mean things. Sorry about that. Thanks so much for posting. You made me feel much better!
Allshookup, thank you for your kindness, the sublimity of ideas, the purity of language; the scope for action; the continued duratuion for completion in order that the heirs of salvation may confess the lord and bow the knee; the rewards for faithfulness, and the punishments for sins, are so much beyond the narrow-mindedness of men that every honest person is constrained to exclaim: 'It came from God'.
Thank you for your encouraging words. They mean so much. When I look at the words you said about me, it humbles me more than words can say.
Allshookup;
I think we are all kind of scratching our heads about how to approach this type of atheist that we find on these forums. It seems to me that satan is really controlling the writing, and until we can get him cleared out, it will continue. Given that it is "the enemy" that we are fighting, I would say anything goes. I have won battles there, though, and it seems to make no difference. I guess if I go in, I try to stay in and win, but that is just me. I think every tactic is just futile for now.
I really applaud you for caring, and I do think we should have a plan worked together. Right now, there are some Christians there trying to work together with them. I think that makes it too tough for me.
That is confusing to me. The Christians that seem to support what they say. Maybe I'm just slow. But, I'm having a problem figuring that part out. It's very hard for me to see gray, I see black and white for the most part, I feel. I know exactly what you are talking about though. I agree that we should have a plan and goal in there. And to somehow, in that plan, have it figured out how not to fall into fights, if that's possible. I say that because I tend to find myself in them as soon as I post. They act like if you can't put something solid in their hands, then it's not real. And I keep seeing the term "your God" and " my God" like there are more than one.
I know SS is having a time in one of the hubs trying to get the author to tell him who he is actually talking about loving. Which god the author is referring to, but he doesn't want to answer SS. Props to SS for hanging in there! I've been keeping and eye on that one for a while now.
It's my bedtime again. But, when y'all get a plan together, please count me in. Just let me know what it is. I'll be behind you. All of you brothers have a great night. Sleep well. I'll check in sometime tomorrow.
And if He comes before I wake, I'll meet y'all in the air! Hey, a girl can pray can't she?
Mat 5:44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
Mat 5:45 That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.
Mat 5:46 For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same?
Mat 5:47 And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so?
Mat 5:48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.
Glory to the Most High God \o/
Hi VP - maybe I'm not welcome here, coming, as I do, from another camp. But I happened on the hub because it's right next to mine, on Conviviality, in the current hot hubs listing. I'm not going to comment on the hub itself, but it's been interesting to read through the many comments and see how you guys talk to each other and what you seem to think of the rest of us. Quite revealing too. Some of you appear to have love in your hearts for all your fellow creatures, as do many of 'us', whoever you think we are. Some of you do not, and that's rather sad. Anyway - have fun, and don't think too badly of us non-believers!
Paraglider;
You and anyone else is more than welcome here. I am glad that you read this.
You already know full well that I do despise the actions of purposely trying to "antagonize" others. In any other forum I know, that person would be ostracized and ridiculed off the forum within 24 hours. There it is ignored. In fact, several others just line up like puppets to side with the insults, threats and intentional games being played. Trying to gang up on the person bringing a logical argument suits that purpose of keeping the intentional deception going. I certainly do not see how intentionally antagonizing shows any love in any hearts, though, quite the opposite.
Perhaps you just did not think it through or felt it was insignificant. Perhaps you agree with it. I do not, obviously. My time is valuable, and so is yours. You claim love in your heart, and that can produce great results. I cannot rectify how you can feel that antagonizing others purposely is congruent with love. I wasted days finding out that it is just fraud that I was debating against that "camp".
Your comment about knowing "our" hearts is wrong. You failed to realize that when brave people are purposely "antagonized" about subjects at the very core of their being, they will absolutely react negatively. To do otherwise is stupidity and cowardice. You can be assured you cannot count me among any group that tolerates such rubbish. To deceive oneself (not saying you) and others with intentional gamesmanship on the forums is foolishness. I am sad that you seem to be counting yourself among that "camp", if I read you right. I hope my original feelings about you as a good, fair man are in fact correct instead.
If you want meaningful dialogue, I am more than willing to do that, but if you want to associate yourself with a "camp" that is interested in "antoginizing" others about that which they hold most dear, then I am not a player. That was the only intention of that camp, as I see it. If someone calls someone else's mother names, they can expect to get the strongest reaction. Well, when someone intentionally antagonizes Christians about God, a greater reaction is expected.
I do find it very comforting to see that that behavior has been clearly stated and shown for all to see, though. It does certainly validate what I suspected, that the work of that person is just intentional fraud.
Paraglider, in conclusion, if you have love in your heart, you should exhibit that because the world sure needs it. We do not need people purposely trying to antagonize others, much less at the very core of their being. I cannot see how someone with love in their heart could condone someone simply trying to antagonize others and hurt them deeply. I disagree totally.
Using written deception against people of truth in forums, though, will insulate them from the truth. They can keep the lie going.
I am interested in changing the purposeful antagonizing now. If you don't want to help me with that, I am fine with that.
You are always welcome here.
LOL Dave, you spoiled all the fun :(
The 'camp' I referred to was simply human beings who happen not to be christian. I am an independent thinker and not a member of any 'coterie' on hubpages or anywhere else. My use of 'we' and 'us' in my last post referred to this group which probably numbers several Billion :)
Paraglider;
I do love that camp, and I do not say that sarcastically. I love all people. I hate certain behavior as I said. Thanks for clearing that up.
Lots of people call Christinas boring, but we are really thinking this through, Paraglider, not taking it lightly or reacting out of emotion. We will have a Godly response in time, and that response will be nothing if we concur that that is what God would have us do.
To that end, Paraglider, Christians are not so bad maybe? Is it bad to rally together to find out what the Bible really means for us to do? Isn't it interesting and perhaps even somewhat heartening for us all to be committed to do as our God commands us, nothing more and nothing less? Those are the actions that are often discussed with us Christians here on Hubpages. We are determined to get them right. We are also working on how our hearts should be at the same time. For people to call us names for that seems ironic to me, certainly boring is really funny. Now, the other half of that Praglider is that we fall short, big time. Everyone does, but we are trying, right?
I am very proud that I have wise counsel here, like Allshookup, SirDent and Onusonus, not people purposely trying to antagonize others.
Misha:
Are you Dave? You are not trying to spoil any fun, are you? It is bad enough to endorse people who purposely try to antagonize others. Don't be a party pooper, too...
Misha's not Dave - I am ;)
No VP, I was not spoiling anything. I was just hanging out over here watching quietly with amuzement a group of people who conspired to "purposely try to antagonize others", forgetting about being visible...
I guess all good shows come to an end eventually, so I am not angry with Dave, just wanted to let you guys know that Dave is not the only person who stumbled upon this thread. In fact, yesterday night I copied it word for word to keep it intact in safe place for my own and others entertainment, in case you wanted to alter it somehow after getting exposed ;)
First, you are wrong in that we never forgot it was visible and second, VP is not the type to alter anything, we have nothing to hide. We all know this is open for the public to see. So feel free to copy anything you like. And I think the term you're looking for is 'last night.' Just thought I'd help :)
SirDent;
Thank you. Those are terrific scriptures for us to pray about. Matthew 5 clearly tells us the condition of our heart. We must love all people. Thank you so much for praying about that, researching it and giving us typically wise counsel. It is interesting you were led to Matthew 5. I was led by prayer and research to Matthew 10 earlier. So, moving a few chapters forward to Matthew 10, perhaps we have more information to consider.
"Go instead to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. As you go, preach this message: ‘The kingdom of heaven is near!’ Heal the sick, raise the dead, cleanse lepers, cast out demons. Freely you received, freely give. Do not take gold, silver, or copper in your belts, no bag for the journey, or an extra tunic, or sandals or staff, for the worker deserves his provisions."
There are two distinct and important messages here. First, Jesus commanded His disciples to do good works for the needy. Paraglider and Misha, if you are still with us, that is Jesus' message to Christians. Good stuff, huh? So if you are not thrilled with the actions of Christians to do that, get on them about that. However, guys, he also tells his disciples to cast out demons. That may be another story for you guys, huh?
I know that Christians are supposed to be boring, but this is exciting to me! OK, counselors, how do we think this through? If antagonize is just a derivative of agony, wouldn't it appear satanic to purposely antagonize others? Have you all seen, as I have seen, where members of that forum thread purposely flaunt demons as their leaders? I have, over and over. So, is God calling us to action?
This has been your issue of confusion, allshookup, as well as mine.
Paraglider and Misha, this is the type of dilemma of a Christian. I do ask you to give this some thought. If Jesus was right in the first part of that sentence (and He is), then might it be worthy of consideration to think about the second half of that sentence? Might it, too, be wise? I know it is very wise to me. Why? Because I was in the hands of demons personally. No chapter of my life is darker and less productive. Thankfully, Jesus took me back. I can only suspect that the same is true of satan's other followers. Reading what they write, it appears to be that way to me.
However you conclude, don't blame us as hypocrites unless we ignore that clear message from our leader, Jesus Christ. Does that help clear up any of our actions to fight against the satanic "antagonistic" writings that you have seen us participate in?
OK, back to Christians... Jesus says that our works should be worthy of pay if we are working to help the needy and cast out demons for Him. Hmm...
Paraglider;
Then the comment from Misha is absurd. You are enhancing the fun! I love you to be here and see a Christian brainstorming session. I am proud to have you here. Please stay and participate fully!!!
Misha;
You say, "No VP, I was not spoiling anything. I was just hanging out over here watching quietly with amuzement a group of people who conspired to "purposely try to antagonize others", forgetting about being visible..."
That is funny, in line with the tone of the thread initially. Thanks for stopping by and reinvigorating the humor for us... forgetting about being visible? We are hardly invisible as we were the 11th highest hub on Hubpages. I knew full well, from the thousand comments or so, that you were here all along, not meaning you personally. We have DONE (for emphasis) nothing. We are proudly and openly strategizing as a group using the Bible and wise counselors. It was your associate that said that he is "antagonizing" others. I realize it is OK with you for him to do it, but you seem to not think we should. Here is where you additionally err. It was not OK for him to do it over and over while you sit there and say how great he is. It makes you out to be an accomplice to his evil tactics. Then, you come here and accuse me of it when I did nothing whatsoever about it. No, Misha, I stand against it as firmly as I can as the work of satan himself. I would never do that, and I never indicated that I would. That is just twisting of the truth. However, that is what we are talking about on this thread... Twist away. In fact, maybe we can get a little Chubby Checker going. Come on baby... You know... No party pooping here.
You say" I guess all good shows come to an end eventually, so I am not angry with Dave, just wanted to let you guys know that Dave is not the only person who stumbled upon this thread." I am proud to have Paraglider here as I have said, and you, and the whole world!!! Please distribute it to PRWeb and all news sites. I would be indebted greatly to you. Again you are wrong, though. The state fair will end, but not this party. It has lasted thousands of years, and that makes it the longest party ever! It will go forever, and it is the best Party I ever went to!!!
You say, "In fact, yesterday night I copied it word for word to keep it intact in safe place for my own and others entertainment, in case you wanted to alter it somehow after getting exposed ;)" I say, expose away!!! Do it now. Do not be a coward and only threaten me, as you have done before. I am so honored that you think it is worthy of publishing. I am doubly honored that someone who idolizes a person that purposely antogininzes others would think I am wrong in what I have done. That is the double negative that I always seek. Mathematically speaking, that is very positive. Not that a RFRWC is any good at math or anything. Man, if that is your way of partying, whew. I guess I was right about following demons being really dark, and Christianity being where the fun is. Come on baby...
Be sure that we will have plenty of more fun material for you to expose. Can you just make it an RSS feed? We think following God is really joyful, too, so come join the fun, one and all. Step right up and throw your best shots at the RFRWC!
They who charge you with transgression, their hope shall be blasted, and their prospects shall melt away as the hoar frost melts before the burning rays of the rising sun;
And also that God has set his hand and seal to change the times and seasons, and to blind their minds, that they may not understand his marvelous workings; that he may prove them also and take them in their own craftiness; also because their hearts are corrupted, and the things which they are willing t bring upon others, and love to have others suffer, may come upon themselves to the very uttermost.
That they may be disapointed also, and their hopes may be cut off. and not many years hence that they and their prosperity shall be swept under heaven that not one of them is left to stand by the wall.
Cursed are those that shall lift up the heel against my annointed, saith the lord God and cry they have sinned when they have not sinned before me, but have done that which is meet in my eyes. But those who cry transgression do it because they are servents of sin, and are the children of disobediance themselves.
LOL VP, let me get it straight. Are you saying that Dave (Paraglider) is Satan?
The spirit of Contention is of the Devil.
Are you saying the whole Western culture, with Christianity as its spiritual backbone, and competition as a way of life, is of the Devil?
And sorry, don't really see how this refers to Dave, other than of him being a member of Western culture, even if we assume that Devil does exist.
Al of that of course assuming you were replying to my question addressed to VP. :)
Misha:
You know I didn't. Come on baby let's do the twist. Hey, I am glad that you found that funny, last time.
If you read back through some of the work we have been doing for you, you will see that we had a little discussion about satan. We determined that satan cannot manifest himself. Rather he works though his followers. Satan is the master of deception. So, he has to fool his followers. I was making no connection between satan and Paraglider. Satan is satan, and I have not accused anyone at all of being satan. Trying to intentionally antagonize people is the work of satan, though.
I see that like this. Satan is already condemned to eternal agony, and he knows it. It would be natural for him to be hung up on agony. So, to use a derivative of the word agony would be perfectly appropriate.
Misha;
I am not sure this was meant for me, but when it is not addressed otherwise, it would be logical it is for me since I am head RFRWC, lol.
You say "Are you saying the whole Western culture, with Christianity as its spiritual backbone, and competition as a way of life, is of the Devil?"
No, quite the opposite. What is of satan is clearly of satan. It takes him a little time to puff out his chest, but it becomes clear. In opposition to that are the people on this thread, Allshookup, SirDent and Onusonus. They are in total opposition to the devil, and they are western. Rather, they are of God and Jesus.
You said, "And sorry, don't really see how this refers to Dave, other than of him being a member of Western culture, even if we assume that Devil does exist."
Forget Dave in this. There is no issue with Dave, and there never was.
You say, "Al of that of course assuming you were replying to my question addressed to VP. :)"
I am trying to answer your questions. I imagine you are more used to people purposely trying to antagonize others, though, so that is cool - while you acclimate to a more temperate environment.
Ah, OK, so I just misread your passage about evil tactics.
Sorry if I offended you with my assumption you might want to alter the content of this thread, I just wanted to be honest about that and I am glad I was wrong in my assumptions. :)
Replying to all what has been said on that thread looks kinda overwhelming to me, so I will just continue to stop by time to time and may be making a remark if I find something being particularly interesting - if you don't mind :)
Oh, and ASU, thanks for a small English lesson, seriously :)
PS Now we have one more comment :)
Yeah, I was replying to onusonus, cause his short post left me wandering what exactly he meant, so I was asking him (her?) for clarification :)
Misha;
You are sincerely most welcome to be here. I really hope you find this a good place to visit. I promise you that no harm or trickery will take place here. We really do want what is best. If you do not see that, jump all over me.
Feel free to comment on anything that catches your attention up to this point, too. Onusonus is a very scholarly writer, and it does take a lot of concentration to get all his great points. Not to speak for onusonus, but I will say that onusonus gives me messages of direction a lot, so I tookl it to heart for me to be a positive and cooperative person at all times.
Let's not forget who the Lucifer really is. He's a beautiful angel. He's very attractive to those who see him. He's not the ugly evil-looking pictures we see today. He was once in Heaven and has seen all that God can give. But, selfishly chose to be self-sufficient. A sin most people have in common, but some take that to extreme and feel they do not need God. When he chose leave Heaven, it was his own free will. The same free will we all have from God. He committed apostasy. Therefore he can no longer be in Heaven. He made his choice and is now damned for eternity. Not because God didn't love him, but because he chose to go his own way, leaving God. Lucifer is very easy to follow. He has few rules. He lies to those who follow him: 'each to his own', life's a party', 'there's no afterlife', these are some of the lies he tells. It's up to us if we fall into those traps. It's easy to follow him. That's the wide road. And since he is powerful and so tempting, he can draw us in quiclky if we do not have our spiritual eyes open to him. He uses everything and everybody he can to tempt us. He doesn't seem to worry much about those who follow him, he has them where he wants them, on the road to eternal damnation. Seems he is most worried about the ones who are following Christ. For those who do not follow Christ, he is there to offer many reasons not to. Things that seem logical to man. Lucifer is very smart, very cunning, very powerful. Most want to go the easy road, the fun-at-others-expense road, the 'I'm self-sufficient' road, but there comes a time when you are so far down that road that it's too late to come back. Lucifer knows the Scriptures better than anyone. Remember his former Home. He can give people who follow him Scripture and help them to believe it means something totally different that it actually means. He takes God's Word and tries to turn it against those who follow him. Taking Scripture and saying it means one thing when in reality, as he well knows, it means something totally different. I can't imagine the fun he has when he sees his followers doing this. Can't you just see him sitting there laughing at his followers that he makes look so foolish? I'd hate to know I had to spend eternity with a being that hates me so much. I'd rather be where I am loved.
Misha,
You're very welcome :)
Allshookup;
That is a good report on satan. Thank you! That inspires to me to get after that rascal. I know what he managed to do to me, and I can't stand to even hear his name. Nothing is worse than a life with him, you are so right. I cannot see any other reason for that time of disobedience except to take on satan.
I wish I could get my head clear about how to deal with satan's evil works, though. I have a strong conviction inside what to do, but I am not getting more than relative scriptures for that. Specifically, I feel that I need to jump in the middle of his action and expose it for what it is. that could only be done by dropping everything else I am doing. That would be very costly to me, but that is no worry. I just know that if that is not God's will, then it would work out bad.
I am still studying....
Thank you. I just see people using the word 'devil' a lot and showing ugly pictures. But, that's not who he is. If he were that ugly, he wouldn't have so many followers. He is the king of deception. So, they only see what they preceive as good. I am also prayerfully studying.
VP,
It seems that, in your fight with the devil, the devil is getting most of the attention.
Ben;
A house divided cannot stand.
VP,
Please explain.
Mat 10:16 Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves.
Mat 10:17 But beware of men: for they will deliver you up to the councils, and they will scourge you in their synagogues;
Mat 10:18 And ye shall be brought before governors and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them and the Gentiles.
Mat 10:19 But when they deliver you up, take no thought how or what ye shall speak: for it shall be given you in that same hour what ye shall speak.
So, you feel just pray and go talk?
Ben;
What I am seeing from you on this thread is insults against me. I hope you do not want me to deal with my feelings about that on an open forum, but I have had no luck with private emails to you where I clearly indicated that I want to address issues privately. You are either with Him or against Him is all I can say.
To explain our efforts at this time, we are praying and consulting God's word to see how to glorify Him and further His kingdom. If you feel that you should take cheap shots about me just dealing with the devil, then please do not ask me to explain my feelings. Obviously, it does not take a genius to see that you want to convey the message that I am not seeking God in this. Well, I am so hurt because that indicts the three others who have dedicated their time to this, as well.
Can we please not spread any more hurt?
SirDent;
Thank you, as always, for the appropriate scriptures. Matt 10 is Jesus' instructions as he sent forth His disciples. This section you wisely posted shows how His disciples would be treated. Yes, it does hurt to be criticized by other people, but the Bible is clear that we cannot be afraid or in any way a coward.
As I posted earlier, He commands His disciples to help the needy and cast out demons, too. Clearly we are to do as He did and commanded. So, we are called to cast out demons. I have found other interesting scriptures, but He is not done with me yet. I am still assembling my thoughts about what God commands us to do when He is attacked. We will deal with that still. God bless you, and thank you very much.
Allshookup;
Clearly, we are to continue to pray and talk with each other for encouragement and wisdom from Him, as He reveals it to us through His Word and the Holy Spirit. I know it is very difficult to follow along with all of this, but I do think it will be clearer soon. I apologize for not moving faster.
No apologies necessary. You should only moves as the Lord directs. I am in no hurry. I was just asking what y'all got from the Scripture SirDent posted.
VP,
I'm unaware of any attempts to reach me by e-mail.
I simply made a statement. I then asked for you to explain your response. If you choose to take that as an insult, you can. It was not meant as one.
If I desire to insult anyone, I will and there will be no doublt about it. If I chose to cut you up with my tongue, I would. I know how to wield my tongue very well, even through this medium.
With that said, if you will study the passage you quote very carefully, you will find that one of the hallmarks of the methodology of Satan is "Satan casting out Satan." This is manifested in the phraseology of Paul as "those that oppose themselves." The result of this operation is a "snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will." (2 Tim. 2:25-26)
There are at least three main ways for an individual to "oppose themselves."
The first is to actively attack or oppose a brother or sister. That can happen in various ways. Mentally, spiritually, physically.
The second is to make statements that are contradictory. The laws of logic must be applied to every statment because many people don't realize that they are contradicting themselves when they speak.
The other is to use Scripture in a way which cannot be supported by other Scripture. The positions and opinions many espouse sound good on the surface, but a closer look at Scripture will destroy them and construct the proper one.
I'm not opposed to what you are doing on this forun or any other one. But by your own admission, you don't realize what is taking place here, even after more than 10,000 posts. Since, "that which is not of faith is sin" be careful how you proceed. Make sure of your steps or....You may end up doing more damage to yourself and those who are with you, as well as those you are trying to help.
Set your affection on things above.
Ben
Ben;
You have been asked over and over not to divide His house. To a brother, I am commanded to turn the other cheek against his insults and threats, and I will continue to do that. The reason for that is that you claim to be a Christian, and I will not judge anyone. I simply am commanded not to reply to that whatsoever.
Ben;
Please do not take this out on me by trolling me, too. I am not going to respond to you on PGrundy's hub either, until it is a little clearer that you are not a Christian. Putting more divisiveness on the hub "The US decides to Bail Itself Out" is not the way to go.
I'm pretty sure that my opinion would not be well-liked over on the hub about bailing out America, so I feel it's a waste of my time to post it there, it may not even be allowed to be posted. But when it comes to FDR, I am not a fan. The first act he did as president was to drink a Budweiser beer on 5th Avenue and it was under his leadership that the Bible and prayer started to be taken out of schools. He is also the man who started the walefare system that has caused this country a lot of debt. It was the beginning of this countries' downfall. So for me, he was not a president I look up to at all.
Ecc 3:1 To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven:
We must choose out battles wisely. The Word of God is designed by God to do a work when it is spoken in the power of the Holy Ghost. We all at times get caught up and start speaking from our own minds and heart when our minds and heart are carnal.
It is best to speak the Word which God gives you then let it do it's work.
VP, I don't think Ben is trying to attack you. I think he is attempting to get you to read and study the Word concerning his statement and casting out of devils. dividing the house etc. . .
I have no idea what he posted on pgrundy's hub and don't particularly care. Let God do the dividing and separating. We are merely planters of His seed.
And men say women are hard to read lololol. But please know that I'm really trying here guys.
SirDent;
I am just speechless. The shock of comments that I get are too much for me to believe that God wants me here to endure this.
ASU,
FDR saw more change during his presidency than any other president in US history. So when he says, "If it happens in politics, it was planned that way," you can rest assured that he knew what he was talking about. It matters not what you think of him as a president.
BTW, what do you think of a politician being required to disobey a direct command of Christ before they can enter public office?
SirDent, Timely words.:)
Well, I've had my first post rejected. It wasn't on the hub y'all are talking about though. Did y'all know that they are trying to get some colleges to offer class credits to students to go out and compain for Obama? Apparently they didn't like my opinion. Oh well. No sleep lost.
VP, I really think we can pull together as brothers and sisters and do this. We just need to all be on the same page at the same time supporting each other. Don't y'all think so? Come on, we are all on the same team, right? Guys?
Allshookup;
You are very helpful at all times, and you are a model of how Christians work together. You have a wonderful heart, and you have been a big comfort to me in this. You pour out your best for Him with no ego, arrogance, competition or self concern. I think that you are very special in His perfect plan.
I am sorry if I lent to any confusion for you. You have the power to accomplish immense things for His kingdom. Never ever question your anointing as it is very special and important to Him.
Ben,
Well, my opinion matters to me. So, yes I'd say it matters. Ben, do you realize or care how you come across talking so harshly? We are here to help and uplift each other. Kind words help people to understand better than harsh ones. Do you remember the post I left you on the hub about Christians being wimps? You said that you understood that. I suggested that you add some kindness when admonishing your brethern because of how you come across. It can be very hurtful and less productive for you than by trying to do with the gentleness and love Christ gives you. 'You attract more flies with honey than vinegar.' That can apply here to you trying to get a point across to me. What I got from you was that my opinions are not important to you at all although I am your sister in Christ. Is that the message you wanted to send me? That's the message I got.Can you understand what I'm trying to say? I didn't get anything out of what you said in order to help me. All I feel from what you said is criticism and that you don't care about my thoughts at all.
VP, Thank you so much for encouraging me. I really appreciate it tonight. Sometimes you just need that more than others, and tonight is my night, I guess. The reason I said it was confusing to me is that I just wish we could all work together peacefully and supportively. (is that a word?) I know in my heart that it's what God wants. But, I also know that the devil is at work here and he will use whatever he can to hinder us. That's all the more reason to band together, to stand against satan. Because greater is He that is in us than he that is in the world. We have to keep that in mind. And to also keep in mind how important it is to lift up each other. Thank you for doing that for me.
Allshookup;
I took his post exactly the same, no - worse. I found it arrogant, childish and spiteful. I know that the reason is because you and I have been working for God together. His arrogance toward me is clear, and you stepped in the middle as you always do. You have great courage that will always triumph over cowardice like that. I realize that you restrained yourself on the other hub, just as I have restrained myself on every single post I ever read of Ben's.
My intense sadness is replaced with righteous anger for Him and my sister, allshookup. It is one thing to attack me, Ben, but I do not have to turn the other cheek when you attack allshookup, Ben. I advise you to discontinue posting here unless you first read all your posts again. If you are willing to speak the word of God and not the word of Ben, I will expect an apology, no - many apologies.
viralprospector says:19 minutes ago
SirDent;
I am just speechless. The shock of comments that I get are too much for me to believe that God wants me here to endure this.
SD: We are to endure storms if we follow Christ. Peter walked on the water in the middle of a great storm. God didn't cause the storm. The Bible states that Satan if the prince of the air. Satan will bring storms against us when we do what God wants us to do.
Ben may seem like your enemy to you, but in truth he is not. If it seems harsh to you when you read his comments, it is time to go and pray about them before replying to him. Now is not the time to give up. If there ever was a time when we need to come together in numbers and buckle down tighter than ever before it is now.
People have been saying for many years that they can see the signs of Jesus coming on the horizon. If you look at what's going on in the world today, you will see that it isn't on the horizon anymore. It is here in our midst. I have noticed people talking about being citizens of the "WORLD" already.
What do you think that might mean? We are not citizens of the world, but of heaven. The kingdom of God is where we live. The "World" is in exact opposition to God. The "World" is our enemy. The "World" is bound by Satan and they don't know it. They are sinful because Satan has them bound.
I don't like things stirred up, especially between Christians. And certainly not because of me. I just want us all to work together. A chain is only as strong as it's weakest link. And we need to be strong. We are facing a strong advasary seeking who he may devour. We cannot let anyone divide us. We have to be loving and understanding with each other. Or at least that's how I feel about it.
Ben, I realize that you feel you have the gift of admonishment. It's a gift I don't feel I have. But, with that comes the responsiblity of knowing how to use with Christians and the lost alike. Don't you think? My husband also has this gift. He also has the gift of decernment. Try to live with that (heehee). But, he has learned over the years to kind of temper what he says with Christian love and kindness and it seems to touch people a whole lot deeper and faster than when he first started. He was often harsh and kind cold about telling people things. I almost had him take a course in Dale Carnige lol.
Time for me to turn in. Y'all will be in my prayers. I'll be out most of tomorrow, but I'll try to check in tomorrow night. I hope all of you have a great night and good day tomorrow. Sleep well.
Blessings
P.S. If any of you ever want a lesson in patience, use dialup. By the time I have time to type and post something, there have been 2 or 3 posted. So when you see a post of mine looking out of place, it's because it is. I type and then it takes forever for it to post. During that time, y'all have posted several and I'm sure you wonder why mine says what it does in the place it's at. Well, this is why. Oh well, maybe I'm learning my lesson in patience this way cause I sure don't want to learn it in other ways if I can learn it now.
I use dialup all the time Allshookup. It's all I can get where I live. OH NO!!! Now everyone will know I am a backwoods miscreant. They will talk about me and how I am ignorant.
SirDent;
I wish you knew, by now, that I will go the distance and then some. The holy spirit has given me certain traits. When my only option to being disobedient is to move on, I move on, though. Here I am commanded to turn the other cheek, and I just keep getting hit. I realize you do not see it that way because I have not defended myself. I also wish that, by now, you knew that the problem is not that I have not read, prayed over and comprehended the scriptures, though.
Is it really irrelevent what weI feel though? It is me and allshookup that are attacked, and we are both offended. Like she questioned, when did it become OK to beat people up? There is no remorse or attempt to reconcile. Is that God's work? Did we do something to deserve that? I will go pray and determine my actions. As of now, I am inclined to not stir things up and let you all do it your way together.
Discretion among "brothers" is often confused with cowardice. I have a very unsettled feeling that I do not want to act on right now.
SirDent and Allshookup;
I have super high speed for our business, but it is the hubpages protocols that get me. Sometimes you cannot copy and refresh to see if something else is posted. So, once you start a hub, you do not know what else is out there until you hit submit.
Skeptics' Song
from the album "Daniel Amos"
Words and Music by Terry Scott Taylor ©1976 Maranatha! Music
Guess you aren't expectin' no resurrection too soon
That story's got to be bunk about that trumpet tune
But won't your peepers get the creepers when you realize
It's all happenin' before your eyes
Oh my! You'll cry as we wave good-bye to you
Now, all is well, 'cause there ain't no hell below ya
God would have a lot of nerve to reserve that hot spot for ya
No, you won't bring the temperature down one degree Simply because you don't believe
Oh my! You'll fry as we wave good-bye to you
Yeah, God's a laugh a minute with His funny book
But, friend, I'd take a second look All that you're read in there is gonna come true
Even, Clyde, in spite of you
No, you won't get to heaven just by livin' right
No cravin' for behavin' will release you from the sinner's Plight
If you're facin' God's salvation with an open heart
Then Jesus, He's gonna do His part
Oh my! You'll fly as we rise in the sky
Oh my! You'll fly as we rise in the sky
Oh my! You'll fly as we rise in the sky with you!
Ok, I'm back on for 1 post. This one. I just couldn't rest because this is so strong on my heart.
VP, it's good to know I'm not the only one that don't know what's being posted until I post lol. Thanks for that post.
Ok, the reason I got back up....praying about this, it occured to me that perhaps we all have different gifts that are very strong within each of us. And perhaps God has gathered us here together for a specific reason. Perhaps to plant seeds in the hearts of those not saved yet or perhaps it is for a growing experience for us who are already saved. What do you feel about that? I'm not sayin y'all need to grow. I'm saying, thought, that I do. I always feel that I'll need to be growing until He calls me Home. Which if that's tonight, it wouldn't see too soon. But I feel God puts His Children in places He wants them for reasons that sometimes we don't see, and maybe He doesn't mean for us to see. Only He knows, I think. It's just heavy on me right now that we don't feel united and that truly makes me sad. If I can do anything to help in this please let me know what it is. You all have become very important to me and I don't want us to be upset and split. We cannot allow the likes of satan and his army to come in our camp and do anything. We are stronger than that! Ok, I'm going back to bed now. Y'all take care and I'll check on you sometime late tomorrow.
VP - {{I love you to be here and see a Christian brainstorming session. I am proud to have you here. Please stay and participate fully!!!}}
I'll certainly continue to read, but actively contributing in real time is not so easy because of my time zone. (I'm in the Middle East).
I wonder if any of you read my hub, 'Jesus, God & Santa Claus - One Man's Journey'? I wrote it partly to state that there is a huge difference between simply not believing something and actively setting out to attack the belief.
We can all get drawn into disputes, but the disputing person is not necessarily the real person. In any interaction, the interaction itself takes on a life, or at least a dynamic, of its own, nourished by the ideas being expressed (the content) and the manner of their expression (the process).
VP, I do know that you will go the distance. I also know, from my own experience, that it is very easy to get sidetracked. We must simply be sure of what we say and do. Lots of prayer is needed.
Ecc 4:6 Better is an handful with quietness, than both the hands full with travail and vexation of spirit.
Glory to God forevermore \o/
Jack Burton;
Welcome to this thread. That portrayal of life in the song is very true. Thank you for posting it. We welcome any comments that you have to share any time.
Allshookup;
Thank you for your encouragement for everyone. Your amazing gift of encouragement is always at work. Your are quite a team player! I am a firm believer that the body must be unified, too. I also believe that there is no gray area. I am either for Him or against Him. Dividing the body is against Him, as it is against God's Word.
Perhaps I have not done a good job of listing scriptures for what I contend. I did not think it was necessary, and it slows me down a lot. I spent the entire day yesterday in prayer and the Word. That is dangerous to come to Hubpages after that. I have found that out far too many times. However, I did not foresee what happened. Satan does have a way of using his followers in dividing.
I said contention, not competition. You know; Bickering, arguing, mischeviousness, terrorism, and the like.
{{I have super high speed for our business, but it is the hubpages protocols that get me. Sometimes you cannot copy and refresh to see if something else is posted. So, once you start a hub, you do not know what else is out there until you hit submit.}}
You can, though. You can open a second hubpages on another tab or even another browser.
Thanks Paraglider;
That is the best way, but I am so used to ctl+c or just copy that I forget. Good advice!
He that does not strive with all of his powers of body and mind, with all of his influence at home and abroad-and cause others to to do so too-to seek peace and maintain it for his own benifit and convenience, and for the honor of his state, nation, and country, has no claim on the clemency of man; nor should he be entitled to the friendship of women or the protection of the government.
He is a canker-worm to gnaw at his own vitals; and the vulture to prey upon his own body; and he is as to his own prospects and prosperity in life, a destroyer of his own pleasure.
Paraglider;
I understand that the time difference is an issue for many here, and that may be an advantage. You cannot get too caught up in all of this. I agree with your assessment that things can get out of hand when there is probably no valid reason for it to do that.
It was fun to share our stories. I hope I was not too windy, but I bet you found you wanted to put in all kinds of things on your hub. I did anyway. The reason I shared it was in synch with your reply to me. Our experiences are quite different. I do think I would believe as strongly today without the two instances I shared, but I can't know that, I guess. I thought it was really cool that you wondered what would have happened if you had the same experiences. I am sure you already know I wish everyone would.
However, God is just all about faith. He does not give us evidence. He wants us to choose Him, and you wisely point out that that is pretty easy for me. Maybe it seems silly, but I see God in so many things. However, I think you are scientist. I have no idea how things are made for the most part, so I think that God is in my life all the time. I know that others would call those things ironic or coincidental, maybe good fortune. To me, they are the things that are answers to prayer.
It doesn't always work out right for me, to be sure. I amaze myself how bad a mess I can make of things with or without Him.
Thanks for sharing your stories with us. I look forward to more...
Onusonus, SirDent and Allshookup;
I pray with you for peace and unity. What is done is done, and I continue moving forward. I give and seek forgiveness for any shortcomings.
Holy is the god of Israel.
Holy is the god of Israel.
Hey everybody. How is everyone today?
VP, I also am praying for peace and unity and look forward to working with all of you. No apologies necessary to me. :)
Have I missed anything today?
Allshookup;
Thanks for checking in. Did you have a good day? I hope so. Things were quiet here. You can read through the posts to see what others are posting. I was trying to determine the scriptural responses to attacks of God. However, I felt that I should also review again how to deal with attacks from either another Christian or someone else.
My day was ok. Thanks for asking. I'm very tried. But all in all, a good day. Tuesdays are my long days.
Oops! Sorry, it copied twice. Y'all take care and I'll talk to you tomorrow!
give me a proof of god´s existence, buy the way..which one? seems to be many different ones..who is the real one? 21st century and still with these primitive system of believes..no wonder how the world goes
joe strummer says:23 minutes ago
give me a proof of god´s existence, buy the way..which one? seems to be many different ones..who is the real one? 21st century and still with these primitive system of believes..no wonder how the world goes
SirDent: Joe, do you know right from wrong?
There are no signs given to the wicked, only death.
Joe,Signs come by faith not by the will of men, nor as they please but by the will of God. They come to faith by mighty works, for without faith, no man pleases God; and with whom God is angry he is not well pleased; therefore God shows no signs, only in wrath to their condemnation.
SirDent and Onusonus;
It is good to see you with us here. Thanks for your questions and comments for Joe. It would sure be great to get on the same page with him. Hopefully, he will answer your question, SirDent, so you can try to establish common ground.
Onusonus, you are so right. I am totally blown away by your amazing gift of poetic truth and justice.
Joe;
If you really want to have dialogue about Christianity, I cannot think of a better team to do so with than SirDent, Onusonus and Allshookup. Do not be initimidated by the power of them. I certainly feel a bit awed by them most often, but I know how much help they can give, and how much they really care for the good of this world and all in it.
You are very welcome here, as is anyone else.
Hey everybody. How is everyone doing today?
Hi Allshookup;
I am doing fine, thanks. I hope all is well with you, too.
I just noticed that my reply to your top hub post did not take. I'm sorry. I went there last night and voted for you. Your hub really is good.
I also encouraged all NASCAR fans to go there, then vote for your hub. Last night when I turned in, you were only one vote out of first. I guess we are not supposed to multiple vote because I could not. Not that I was trying to cheat, but I figured one vote??? Oh well, it never hurts to check out how the system works, right?
Awww thank you so much VP. Today has been busy but good. I got a lot done. I appreciate your vote and support. I think the one that won was one about which cheap wines you can buy that still taste good. But I really do value your support in that!
I have to run and take care of something for my neighbor. But I'd like to leave all of you with a question. Since I value all of your opinions, here it is:
What role do you feel Christians should take in politics? Do you feel that it should be spoke of in church?
I'll check in tomorrow morning. I'm anxious to find out your answers, because I value them. I hope all of you have a great night. Sleep well. God be with all of you.
And remember, those who kneel before God can stand before any man. That's us!
I can finally post comments now.
Allshookup;
I'm tired, so this will be off the top of my head. I can't wait to see the backlash of this!
The issue you refer to is a false injustice that is unconstitutional, called separation of church and state. Simply, that was a comment by Jefferson that was sour grapes since he was outvoted on the 1st amendment. the 1st amendment says that govt cannot restrict religion. It gives religion no restriction, and it does not separate religion from govt.
Some bone head figured out how to pass some stupid unconstitutional law that separation of church and state exists. Well, that is nothing but more American injustice and unconstitutional law. We have many of those, more every day it seems.
All that said, there are now laws that churches must obey or they will have their charter revoked. A church cannot endorse a candidate, but they can open the issues to both candidates to speak, for example, just not one. They have lobbying limits, as a percentage of their total income. Since many churches do not really know the law, the have fear; and they shy away from all civil and civic duties. Thus, God's vision for churches are no longer fulfilled as they should.
So, America has found a way to reverse the 1st amendment. That makes me sick. Govt is now restricting religion where the 1st amendment said we cannot do that. Govt also states that religion cannot be involved in govt, and that was never authorized by the constitution.
Christians must be far more involved in politics in my opinion. The problem with America is that everyone has abdicated their responsibilities over to govt, and our forefathers knew we should be intricately involved and never trust govt. Well, it is sure clear to see today that that was true wisdom that we have lost.
SirDent;
What happened? Did they find out you were hanging out with the RFRWCs and revoke your hubbity priviledges? It is not surprising to see satan try to silence God's messengers.
I'm on swing shift.
I take no stance publicly on who to vote for, leave it up to the conscience of the people. The churches would be wise to institute this principle, to prey before you vote. The scriptures are infinitely deep with wisdom, politics too are deep with passion.
Pressed the button twice. Vote twice!
A truly representative 'House' would reflect the balance of the populace. Clearly it cannot do that if Christians (or redheads or cyclists) 'stay out of politics'. However, it is incumbent on a representative to represent his whole constituency, not a 'single issue' corner of it.
If Christians had to stay out of politics, how many of the 43 Presidents to date would have been eligible for office? As far as I know, all 43 were professed Christians.
Seriously, does anyone here know for a fact that any of the 43 were not Christians?
You are correct Paraglider, all 43 United States Presidents have been professed Christians. 42 were from Protestant denominations with Kennedy being the only Catholic. Nixon was a lapsed Quaker.
Thanks SweetiePie. That's more or less what I thought, though I didn't know about Nixon. I remember a lot of concern being expressed about Kennedy's Catholicism before he was elected, but it subsided when folk saw him doing a good job.
I think the Christian community would do well to see itself as one large, varied and inclusive community. It is sad to see small groups insisting only they are 'genuine'.
VP,
You stated, "Since many churches do not really know the law, they have fear;....."
You are absolutely right! I would make a modification to your statement, though. I would change the "many" to "most." And I would also add that, not only do most churches not know the law (referring to man's law), they don't know God's law either. And in the case of American law, it agrees with God's law, but since you stated that many churches don't know the law, they also don't know that Man's law and God's law are in agreement.
With that said, here's one way in which the issue can begin to be cleared up by those professing a redemptive relationship with Christ.
As a "church," are you created by Christ or the State? This is a very simple question, yet it determines your status in relation to the law and how the government responds to you.
If you are created by Christ, you are a separate entity from government, a separate government from man's government, if you will. As such , the church is free to conduct its own affairs without any intrusion or oversight from the State.
If, however, the "church is created by the State, the state has every right to oversee and regulate its actions. The fact that the government currently has oversight of most churches and religious houses of worship in this country should tell you something other than the government is overstepping its bounds.
A 501C(3) is not a creation of Christ. It is strictly a creation of the State. The same goes for any corporation, organization, association or any other non-profit group. Any of these groups can scream "1st Amendment rights" all they want to, but the freedoms for created entities under the 1st Amendment are not the same for a natural person under the 1st Amendment.
And since most churches don't know the law to begin with, they suffer the consequences of their ignorance. And resist and oppose the government.......and lose.
Sorry, I accidentally clicke twice.
Good morning everyone. :)
Ecc 9:10 Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do it with thy might; for there is no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave, whither thou goest.
I just love the Word of God. \o/
Sir D - in Scotland we just say - Ye're a lang time deid (you're a long time dead). Same meaning.
Ben;
You say, "And in the case of American law, it agrees with God's law, but since you stated that many churches don't know the law, they also don't know that Man's law and God's law are in agreement."
I will give a few of countless examples of why I disagree. Man's law allows abortion. God says "thou shalt not kill." God says that to blaspheme him is on the same plane as murder. Man says "no problem at all. It is legal." God says have no idols or other gods before Him, and man says "nothing is wrong with that." Perhaps you meant to say that this is the way it SHOULD be. I don't know.
You say, "If you are created by Christ, you are a separate entity from government, a separate government from man's government, if you will. As such , the church is free to conduct its own affairs without any intrusion or oversight from the State."
The IRS branch of government does regulate churches, so I answer that is neither. I am not sure why you switched midstream from govt to state. It is a govt issue (federal), not state. All entities are separate, by nature by the way, so I am not sure why you would state that these particular entities could be then separate. However, there is no state law that prohibits the govt from interfering with a church, whether that is right or wrong. Rather, the 1st amendment prohibits it. They do it all the time, whenever they suspect that a church has broken a law of the state, and that is as it should be. However, I do think that Jesus does not establish churches. In essence all entities and individuals have to obey the laws, even the unconsittutional laws. That does not excuse unconstitutional laws.
You say, "If, however, the "church is created by the State, the state has every right to oversee and regulate its actions. The fact that the government currently has oversight of most churches and religious houses of worship in this country should tell you something other than the government is overstepping its bounds."
I really do commend you for trying so hard. You switched from the govt (which regulates churches), to the state (which regulates churches only as it regulates everything the same by its laws) to try to discredit the 1st amendment which specifically says only that Congress cannot pass any law to restrict religion. If there can be no law, then no one should be doing it, neither the govt or the state. Still both branches of the govt do interfere with religion per the IRS, etc. You seem to agree that they do, but simply it is a clear violation of the 1st amendment, as I said initially. So, yes, clearly the govt is overstepping its bounds. The 1st amendment is the root of the relationship between church and state. As I said, man passes unconstitutional laws all the time. That hardly makes it right.
You say,"A 501C(3) is not a creation of Christ. It is strictly a creation of the State. The same goes for any corporation, organization, association or any other non-profit group. Any of these groups can scream "1st Amendment rights" all they want to, but the freedoms for created entities under the 1st Amendment are not the same for a natural person under the 1st Amendment."
It is not the state that establishes all entities either. Churches, which we discuss here, are "established" by the federal govt, loosely using the term established. The 1st amendment regulates Congress who establishes laws, not that it dscriminates for or against entities or individuals. Congress cannot then say that it can do one thing for people and another for entities. That is unbelievably scary. Maybe now you are saying that America will go to that next. I guess the way things are going in America these days, it will come to that.
You say, "And since most churches don't know the law to begin with, they suffer the consequences of their ignorance. And resist and oppose the government.......and lose."
Do you have examples of that, as it relates to the OP from allshookup? I tend to think that instead churches that do not know the law stay so far in the "safe zone" if you will, that they stay completely out of politics as it relates to the OP, where they might instead have involvement. A good example of the govt overstepping its bounds was their yanking the families apart earlier this year from the church here in Texas on unproven allegations. Then, they were severely chastised for doing that wrongly and returned them all. The state tried to move gray area to law by force, and it backfired on them.
Good morning SirDent and I guess it's good evening Paraglider. I enjoyed both your comments, as usual. I hope that all is well with you guys. Today I will be in and out as I am going to establish some schools in El Salvadore, help 60 or so elderly get their housing improved and start up a fashion business here in town. It should be a really fun day. See you all later.
Good morning VP. Early evening here and the start of the weekend (because Friday is the Islamic holy day. We don't work Firdays). Interested to hear about the El Salvadore schools, when you have a moment.
VP,
I apologize for the confusing use of the terms "government" and "State". I use the terms interchangeably. They simply refer to goverment in general, whether on the state or federal level. For the purpose of our discussion, it doesn't matter. However, if it does matter in a particular case or example, I will say so.
As far as abortion laws or other laws agreeing with God's law, Ezekiel says this in chapter 20:24-25, "Because they had not executed my judgments, but had despised my statutes......wherefore I gave them also statutes that were not good, and judgments whereby they should not live." This describes the state of Christians in the US perfectly. Becasue God's peopl have looked elsewhere than the Bible for their laws, God has made sure to give those people laws that are not good. So God is in agreement with American law.
God is also in agreement with American law when it comes to "separation of Church & State."
First, Jesus does establish churches starting in Matthew 17:18, "....and on this rock will I build my church..." (ecclesia).
Second, Jesus refers to various individual churches in different cities.
Jesus is the cornerstone and foundation of the Church.
As far as the difference between a legal entity and a natural person, I'll let the Supreme Court of the United States speak;
"The individual may stand upon his constitutional rights as a citizen. He is entitled to carry on his private business in his own way. His power to contract is unlimited. He owes no duty to the State or to his neighbors to divulge his business, or to open his doors to an investigation, so far as it may tend to incriminate him. He owes no such duty to the State, since he receives nothing therefrom, beyond the protection of his life and property. His rights are such that existed by the law of the land long antecedent to the organization of the State, and can only be taken from him by due process of law, and in accordance with the Constitution. Among his rights are a refusal to incriminate himself, and the immunity of his property from arrest and seizure except under a warrant of the law. He owes noting to the public, so long as he does not tresspass on their rights.
Upon the other hand, the corporation is a creature of the State. It is presumed to be incorporated for the benefit of the public. It receives certain privileges and franchises, and holds them subject to the laws of the State and the limitations of its charter. Its powers are limited by law......Its rights to act as a corporation are only preserved to it as long as it obey the laws of its creation." Hale v. Henkel, 201 US 43 at 74
More authorities:
"Insofar as liberty is concerned, however, a private corporation is not a person within the language of the 14th Amendment of the Constitution; the liberty guaranteed is the liberty of natural, not artificial, persons. And a corporation has been held to not be a "person" within the protection of the Fifthe Amendment against self incrimination." 18 Am Jur 2d., Constitional Law, Section 64
"Corporations Not A Person. A corporation is not deemed a person within the clause of the Consitution of the United States protecting the privileges and immunities of citizens of the United States from being abridged or impaired by the law of a State, and the liberty guaranteed by the 14th Amendment against deprivation without due process of law is that of natural, not artificial persons." [204 US 359] Bouvier's Law Dictionary 8th Ed.
Examples? There are plenty through the years. You can start with Peoples Baptist Church in Corpus Christi, Texas. Another is Indianapolis Baptist Temple in Indianapolis, Indiana.
As far as the example you cite in Texas, the "Church" was potentially involved in criminal activity, which they have the authority of Scripture to prosecute. Did the authorities act in a zealous manner and overstep their bounds? Yes, but that in no way means that they don't have jurisdiction in the activity supposedly alleged.
I hope this helps.
Wow, I didn't realize I'd get this many anwers to my question. I really apprecaite all of you taking your time to answer my question. I didn't have time to post my opinion last night because I had to go help a neighbor, so I'll post what I feel now.
I do not believe in the seperation of church and state. You can't seperate the two. People quote this and that and have lengthly explanations to try to explain to support the seperation of church and state, but to no avail. You cannot seperate the two. I also believe that it's not just a good thing Christians get involved in politics but that God gave us the responsiblity to do so. If we had taken this responsiblity seriously in the previous decades, I feel our country would not be in the state it is today and we need to step up now before it grows even worse. When the people of God doesn't stand, God deals with them (us). The children of Isreal were His chosen people yet they disobeyed Him. Being the loving Father He is, He had to help them see the error of their ways. They were in bondage then when they finally were freed, by God's hand, they had to wonder around in a circle in the woods for 40 years to learn their lesson. I can't really see that we are that much different in not obeying Him here in America. Now the question; What will God have to do to us to bring us back to where we should be with Him? It's time for us to get up and take some responsiblity. We have become complacent and politically correct and where has that gotten us? Look around. Christians need to wake up.
Again, I want to thank all of you for taking time to respond to my question. I really appreciate it! I hope you all have a wonderful day or night, as your time zone may be.
The seperation of church and state I believe, was origionally intended to keep the dictates of the state out of churches affairs so that people could have the choice to choose their own religion and the religion would have the freedom to run itsself without government interferance. If the state ran the religion it would detract from peoples basic freedoms and would therefore cause the church to be abhorant.
I agree with what you said and for the reasons that government should not be involved in how we worship. I guess what I'm trying to say is that I don't believe it should be seperated the way many people now use the term. So that Christians should not have any actions in politics, etc. Does that make sense? I hope I'm getting across what my point was. I'm sorry that I didn't make it clear earlier. Thank you for posting onusonus. As always, your posts are wonderful and insightful.
VP, SirDent, ParaGlider, Ben and all the rest, thank all of you for answering my question. And VP, thanks for giving us this place to talk about all of these subjects.
I have to run and help a friend. She's in the middle of adopting her third child and she's asked for me to assist her in that. I don't know if I'll be back tonight or not. If not, I hope you all have a great night. And thanks again to one and all for responding to my question.
AllShookUp,
You stated, "I also believe that it's not just a good thing Christians get involved in politics but that God gave us the responsiblity to do so."
Upon what Scripture do you base this belief?
I agree with allshookup,
He that keeps the laws of God has no need to break the laws of the land. But we should be subject to the powers that be until the savior comes to rule, and keep the laws of true justice, for when the wicked rule, the people mourn. Therefore the power to govern is placed into the hands of the people and it is their responsibility to mandate rightous laws,
We should wish to establish laws of rightousness and crowd out the evils of the world from our midst, to be like that great city which was lifted up by the lord in the days of Enoch.
Also I think that the origional comment by Thomas Jefferson was rejected as a law for the purpose of keeping the state out of the church, not the church out of the state.
Onusonus,
You stated, "to be like that great city which was lifted up by the lord in the days of Enoch." Exactly where in the Bible are you referring to?
As far as the Jefferson comment, in making the comment to the Danbury Baprists, he referred to the "wall of separation" as already existing in law in the 1st Amendment free exercise clause. He was not proposing nor did he ever propose it to be law, since it already was the law.
Ben;
You say, "God's peopl have looked elsewhere than the Bible for their laws, God has made sure to give those people laws that are not good. So God is in agreement with American law." First it was, "...Man's law and God's law are in agreement." Nonetheless, if "God's people have looked elsewhere for their laws", how can "God be in agreement with American law"? That was in the subsequent sentences. He is in agreement that his people should look elsewhere for their laws? That is not the God that I know.
I guess if you want to endorse murder and blasphemy, God sure doesn't. That is what I presented to you because you said that man's law and God's law are the same. They are not the same. If you want to say that God punishes sin, so he is OK with it, then you are seriously mistaken in that, too. Ezekial 20 hardly could imply that God is in agreement with American law. It says that he punished sin harshly. Does Ezekial 26 sound like he is in agreement with it, "that I might fill them with horror so they would know that I am the Lord."? American law leaves out many of God's laws, and yet you say the he is in agreement with that, i.e. abortion, blasphemy, idols, etc.
Whether or not God is in agreement with separation of church and state was not my point. Surely, the 1st amendment does not agree with it. That is my point.
I really shake my head about your comment that the state and government are the same, though. That is in keeping with the thread if that is your point.
Ben;
The separation of church and state is widely credited to Jefferson's sidebar comments. It was clearly an end run of the 1st amendment. If you read the 1st amendment and see separation of church and state, fine. It would not surprise me, whatsoever at this point.
Ben; You ask, "Upon what Scripture do you base this belief?" If we answered the whole bible, would you read it?
Onusonus;
You are correct that Jefferson's separation of church and state was not approved. Rather the 1st amendment was ratified as keeping government out of religion, period. It is clear and easy to read. Still, this has been twisted to now mean that religion must be kept out of politics, the complete opposite of what was written and approved.
All Jefferson was trying to do, which was voted down, was make the separation reciprocal to both government and religion. The founding fathers would not vote for that. They saw no reason to hold religion out of government, as allshookup wisely commented.
Secular misinterpretations are what causes these miscarriages of justice, not the invovlement of religion in politics. It is dangerous when people try to condone unconstitutional behavior.
Paraglider;
Our board meeting today went well. As to our El Salvadore school initiatives, we have been renovating El Salvadore schools at the fundamental level. Fundraising has not gone as we had hoped. Our funds to invest there have been limited, but our president grew up there, and he is not going to give up. We have installed fans, desks and bathroom facilities to a more limited extent than we all want.
We project limited funds for the next three years, but I am not settling for that. I will try to hold fundraisers at our fashion shows. There are a lot of philanthropists there, and this is such a worthy cause. Our president also runs our assisted living centers, and he has poured most of his money into this initiative.
I am really proud that he always recognizes that his people need him, and he keeps helping however he can. He is going to commence his own foundation, rather than using our fiduciary agent status for him. My wife is finalizing that peperwork.
Thank you for your interest, Paraglider, is that what you wanted to know.
VP,
If you cited specific verses, passages or portions of the whole bible, yes I would read it.
This is the "sidebar" comment Jefferson made to the Danbury Baptists. "Believeing with you that religion is a matter which lies soley between man and his God; that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship; that the legislative powers of government reach actions only and not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that thier legislature should "make no law respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof," thus building a wall of separation between Church and State." The comment was not made in isolation, but in reference to the fact that the wall of separation was already law, the free exercise clause of the 1st Amendment. Jefferson never proposed it to be the law because of that.
As far as God's law being in agreement, according to the passage I quoted in Ezekiel, America has bad laws because "God gave" them to Americans because of their rejection of God's Laws. Abortion is one example of bad law God has given to America, ""that I might fill them with horror so they would know that I am the Lord." God is in agreement with what American has chosen. God will act accordingly.
VP, You have responded to that which you disagree with, but not everything I responded to. What about the rest?
Ben;
Everything you say in your last post is just rhetoric, not relevent to proving your point in our continual debates. You have lots of information, but it does not pertain to the issues. I am tired of your arguing with all of us and questioning us. It keeps us from our accomplishments, and it shows me your true heart the way you keep questioning every little thing. It is bearing no fruit at all. Why is it that the rest of us understand each other OK, but you never seem to be in synch?
You are right that I chose to ignore some of the other stuff. I do not want to just argue with you endlessly because it makes me look petty, too. I sure shouldn't need to repeat myself. I have important work, and it is not to argue with obviously incorrect logic or just say that you are not addressing the issues you raise that were refuted clearly. You might want to consider a similar strategy. If you have something important to ask, though, please feel free.
VP,
If you want to refute anything I say, please, feel free to do so. But don't expect me to accept anything and everything you say just becasue you say it. And I surely don't expect you to take my word for everything I say. So when I am asked to provide an authority, I'll do so. If I can't, don't believe me.
If we are talking Bible, please provide Scripture. And not only Scripture, but Scripture in its context. Aftter all, Jesus, when responding to Satan said, 'Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God." If Jesus lived by the Book, who are we to not?
If we are talking law, please provide the appropriate legal authorities, whether Scripture or secular law. And once again, provide the proper context.
I understand that you have important work. I don't mean to interrupt. However, studying, wisely understanding and implementing the Word of God is a work that shouldn't be taken lightly because we will give account according to this same Word.
Who says that I don't understand anyone else on this hub? Why is that the presumption. Is it possible that I understand fully what you believe about certain issues? And why you believe them? Is it possible that I've been where you are?
Please don't take this as condescension on my part. I'm simply asking you to consider that other things may be at work and at stake. Is it wrong to examine and re-examine yourself to make sure that your beliefs are according to the Word? It shouldn't be since the Word says to do exactly that. I know I do it on a regular basis, myself.
And besides, this isn't about you or me or between you and me. This is about Truth. Knowing that Truth should be paramount, not the protection of some personal reputation. If that means that I change a belief because Truth demands it, then so be it. Sometimes that's not the easiest change to make. It can be rather uncomfortable. I've experienced a little discomfort over the years, but I regret none of it.
I look forward to continuing the dialogue,
Ben
Ben;
That was a good post. I have no problem with constructive dialogue. I try to use common sense then authorities.
I don't really have any expectations in this. I am looking to work together with Christians, if possible, to glorify and honor Him mainly. Peace and effort to work together really makes it go smoother. I let most everything go, even if I do not agree. I try to not sweat the details, but I can get sucked into that.
Hi VP. Nice to see you spreading more vitriol - it is the christian thing to do. lol
I just stopped by to see if I had a problem leaving a comment because Sir Dent said he was having trouble doing so.
The closed thread was because you made a personal attack by the way, not to stop you from sharing the TRUTH LOL Too difficult a concept for you perhaps?
Mark the omniscient;
Hey welcome to the home of the RFRWC. I tried to get you here weeks ago, and it is good that you finally realized that you need to be here. No, to you, I am sure we NEED you ( no shouting, emphasis - inside joke).
Gee I am sure glad you straightened me out. I don't know what I would do without you. As an ole RFRWC, I sure don't know what the facts are. Nope, I could not read that no one was blamed. However, the stupid RFRWC that I am, I do not have your self important powers of omniscience to read far beyond what is written. Us RFRWCs have to leave that to God. We are so weak, and you are so strong, Mark.
Well, gotta run. I have some vitriol to spread. Hey, that good ole vitriol spreading is quite the thing, huh? I get some network marketers to sell me some vitriol, then I go out and spread away. I am a little confused, though, so maybe you can help me out, Mark. I have been using a paint brush to spread the vitriol, but people are asking for a refund. So, I tried jamming it down their throats. Hey when all else fails, us RFRWCs jam our beliefs down their throats. So, I felt that would work. Wouldn't you know it, that made them even madder. They said it doesn't taste so good, but they were breaking out before. Darn those network marketers, anyway. I was supposed to make a million dollars overnight if I just worked hard. I think no one has psread the vitriol any harder than me...
I sure hope you can clear it up for me, vitriol expert that you must be. What is the best method to spread vitriol? After all, I bougth twenty cases of vitriol from viral vitriol. I couldn't interest you in a few cases, could I? I would consider saying "yes" before I jam it down your throat, know what I mean?
I hate to ask, but what is in this vitriol anyway? I was having better luck spreading my beliefs and jamming them down people's throats.
Evening everybody.
Ben,
I appreciate your concern for the authenticity of my comments, However, I never Said that I was Quoting the bible, and while I can appreciate the letter of the law I would rather inetrpert it by it's spirit and origonal intent.
Onusonus,
I wasn't concerned about the authenticity of your comments. You mentioned Enoch and the great city that was lifted up by the Lord and I was wanting to know what you were referring to. I also didn't say that you were quoting the Bible, but I did presume that it was from the Bible. If my presumption was wrong, let me know.
If you would like to expand upon the spirit and original intent of you statement, I'm willing to listen.
Hey VP,
I have been out of the loop for a while and I am glad to see that you are keeping the debate going strong.
Ultimately, as illustrated by Mr. Knowles, you cannot sell a life-saving medicine, or give it away for that matter, to a man that does not recognize he is ill. It is perhaps the most frustrating thing about being a Christian.
It is almost pointless to debate people like Mr. Knowles. (I actually like him, though I agree with him little) People who have not faced the realization they need a savior cannot understand what it is all about.
Think about the number of times you sat in a church service before you accepted Christ. Did you truly understand what the pastor was talking about? When you tried to read your Bible without the presence of the Holy Spirit did it really mean anything to you? I would bet not, though I do not know you.
It is the responsibility of the Holy Spirit to convict the hearts of men. No amount of words or logic can do this. That’s why I continue to pray for people in my life like Mr. Knowles. Most of them mean well and have the best of intentions, but they do not understand that man is not inherently good. It is the influence of the Holy Spirit that causes man to do what it is moral and right.
And even more abhorrent to our friends like MK is the idea of forgiveness and redemption. That when men of faith ignore the Holy Spirit, which unfortunately happens from time to time, and do the wrong thing- God has the AUDACITY to welcome us back to the fold with open arms when we repent for our wrongdoing. This is something that slaps the face of the non-believing, vindictive worldview most non-Christians hold.
I could say so much more on this, but I need to get back to work. Best to you VP and all others that have taken the time to comment and are unashamed of their faith.
I've had all that I can handle about the law, Im not really into politics, in fact I'm sure that after the next election we'll have heard about as much about the candidates as humanly possible. I can't wait till the turkey is done and the guy with the best smile gets to prance around in the oval office in his undies so we can move on.
Now the city of Enoch the seventh from Adam, son of Jared, and father of Methuselah. The biblical account is scanty. It tells us that he was translated, but gives nothing about the details of his ministry. A quotation from his prophecy is given in Jude 1:4 But we can learn much more from present day revelation; specifically of his preaching, his city called Zion, his visions, and his prophecy.
He was a preacher of rightousness and a vigorous exponent of the gosple of Jesus Christ, as such not only because of his influence was he translated but so was his entire city. I believe that he was a far greater person with a far more significant ministry than one would suppose from the Bible alone.
Onusonus,
Where is this present day revelation of Enoch to be found?
I've never known anyone to change his mind as a result of one of these discussions. They strike me as a waste of time, although I get into them from time to time.
I switched back to the old hub editor and can post comments here again now. I agree with Ralph also, but I do know that one can learn from these discussions.
Mat 24:4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
Verse of the day. ;)
Why in the book of Moses ofcourse.
Ralph Deeds ,
By the looks of your portrait, I can understand your sentiments.
Onusonus,
Yes?????
Ralph Deeds ,
By the looks of your portrait, I can understand your sentiments.
Onusonus,
Yes?????
I have seen evil rebuked, the elements controled, and ominous mountains of difficulty removed, all in the spirit of kindness. And I believe heartly that no oppinion is set in stone.
Onusonus,
I have seen evil rebuked, the elements controlled and ominous mountians of difficulty removed, all in the Spirit of God using the non opinionated Word of God, which is forever settled in Heaven.
Wow, I left for a little while and missed a whole lot. I like that you brought up Enoch. I want to be like him in that he 'walked' with God. I'd perfer to go in the Rapture and not have to die. But, either way, I'm glad to know where I'm going.
SirDent, I'm glad to see you got your trouble fixed and you're back with us fully.
Onusonus, I really like the statement you made about kindess. I believe in that old saying 'You attract more flies with honey than vinegar.' Not saying that anyone is a fly. But, I'm sure you understand what I mean. As a woman, I can assure you that you will get more of a positive reaction from females when you talk to us with kindness and caring than trying to act like you're the smartest person in the world. So I'm in total agreement with your comment on kindness. Just giving us facts and acting as if you know everything and have proof of it (sometimes to the point of you quoting things), just don't cut it most the time. We will respond much better to Christian kindess. It's the way God made us.
AllSHookUp,
Your sentiments are exactly right about the reactions and responses of women. God has made women in a special way. It behooves men to understand this and act accordingly, with tenderness, sensitivity and affection.
Men on the other hand were made by God to be different. How unfortunate when they tend to act and respond like women.
I am not aware of anything I have said or did toward you personally, AllShookUp. If I have, please point it out to me and I will immediately apologize and ask for your forgiveness. I would never intentionally address you or any other woman in any other way than that of a Christian Gentleman. And I have never noticed one comment of yours to exhibit anything other than that of a Christian Woman and Lady, in the truest sense of the Words. The highest honor to you and other women like you.
Allshookup, are you saying that I am NOT the smartest man in the world???
Ben, I am only posting this because you asked. And I hope you understand that. But you honestly seem to want to know if you have done anything to hurt my feelings, so I wanted to be honest and explain about something that was posted and how it made me feel. First, I want to thank you for saying nice the things about me that you did in the last hub to me today. Below is a copy of a post from several days ago that you posted to me. I had posted why I don't look up to FDR. I think pulling the Bible out of schools was a horrible act. I realize that he did do some good things. Like the fact that he signed a bill keeping insurances and banks seperate so the thing that is happening right now in our nation wouldn't happen. Sadly, the president in 1999 tore it to shreds, and now here we are in trouble. In my post I was just saying that I don't have a lot of respect in a man who takes the Bible out of our schools. I feel that is when our nation started to go down. So, since he thinks that little of God's Word, it's hard to me to take stock in everything he says. I didn't post my feelings on the forum where it was being discussed because most there that were talking were liberals and I knew I'd get attacked. So, I posted here, where up until then, I felt a great amount of support. When anyone on here has not seen eye to eye, they have let me know that in a gentle, loving, kind, Christian way. So, that made me feel safe to voice whatever my thoughts were here....in the company of my Christian brothers and sisters. I have no problems with them not seeing eye-to-eye with me over things, in fact, I have learned a great deal from these Christians. And I'm thankful to have found this thread. I posted feeling safe that in case someone didn't agree, they would use tact in explaining why and not talk down to me, etc. But, when I did post my opinion, you replied to it. And to me, it came across as you talking down to me and it was very cold. Ben, the reply you gave made me feel as if I were on the forum and being attacked by the liberals who look to try to hurt and attack Christians or anyone who is conservative. I was shocked and hurt by the words you chose to use with me. Since then, I have not felt safe in sharing any opinions with you because you made me feel devalued and unimportant. I'm not saying this to make you feel bad or to be mean. Please don't take it as that. I'm only telling you this because you asked. I thought you might have picked up on it by the post VP made after it happened. But, since you have asked, I wanted to be honest with you. I know that men don't think or feel like we do. (This is something I have to periodically remind my husband lol.) So, I know that it's hard to know what we read in what you say. Maybe some people are more sensative than others and I am one of those people. Trust me when I say that I don't try to be and please know that I was never mad at you. Thank you again for saying the nice things you did about me, I do not feel I deserve them. And thank you for not wanting to hurt my feelings. That means a lot to me.
ASU,
FDR saw more change during his presidency than any other president in US history. So when he says, "If it happens in politics, it was planned that way," you can rest assured that he knew what he was talking about. It matters not what you think of him as a president.
Awww SirDent, what I meant was that I'm glad you can fully participate in this hub by posting. Something tells me you knew that ;)
I'm turning in for the night. I hope all of you have a great one. I'll check in tomorrow. Blessings!
Hi Ralph;
Welcome. I think we all are frustrated that more does not come of all our hard work here. We would love to have your help. We do not want disagreement and divisiveness. Any ideas that you have to help us be more productive would be most welcome. Thanks for your comments.
SirDent;
Welcome back. I am glad that you got the technology fixed. I have been there, and it is frustrating to me when it happens. I was fighting with my scanner today myself.
Allshookup;
It is nice to have you back with us. I hope that you were gone because things were so fantastic that you just forgot all about us. Seriously, I missed you. Thanks for returning to the front lines.
Audacious;
I forgot that I was in the middle of a reply to you earlier that I never posted. Welcome to the RFRWCs. Thank you for posting. We are glad you found us, and we hope you will feel comforatable to discuss any issues with us.
I felt a bond with your post. I, too, did not find church warm as a kid. I found the holy spirit through Young Life, and that changed everything indeed. I was also thinking about that the other day, that people read the Bible but all they see is words without the Holy Spirit in them. Don't you think that was what upset Jesus so much?
I fight vehemently with people that I sometimes really like because they have a big blind spot. If it gets in my fighting zone, I will go to battle. Sometimes I wonder if it is intentional on their part. I sure hope not, but it doesn't make much sense any other way, in some cases. Maybe I am idealistic, but I think progress will occur on that. I have seen it often in other forums with huge conflict. All it takes is a cause in unison to unite the fighters. So far, I can't establish any rapport with some people, but I am not giving up yet.
Viralprospector you slay me! I admit I had to look up the word vitriol. excelent response.
Onusonus;
You give me a high standard to meet, so I am glad you liked it. Thank you.
Good Morning Friends.
1Jo 3:18 My little children, let us not love in word, neither in tongue; but in deed and in truth.
Praise the Lord
Hey everyone. How are y'all today? Audacious, great to see you!
VP, I was gone because I had a medical procedure done. It was outpatient. I'll hear back from it soon. But, it's good to be back. Thanks for asking and thank you for your kind words.
Allshookup;
Oh, I am sorry that you had to go to the doctor. I am praying that everything is OK, and that you are feeling well, too. To you and all, please post prayer requests as they come. I do pray for you, and I want to be as specific as I can. May God show His grace upon you and give you great favor.
I really appreciate that VP. It's always good to have the prayers of brothers and sisters. Very comforting. I should hear back if it's anything in the next week. So, I'm waiting on that call.
Allshookup;
Jeff Burton took 37th place in qualifying at Kansas. JJ got the pole, no surprise there. That was not what Jeff Burton needed. He might have a long day, but Smoke, Carl and Hamlin are back there, too, so maybe they can pull through together.
I hate brother is so far back. This is not his best track. I'm afraid you're right about him having a long day. Carl is my man tomorrow. I hope he can just drive through the crowd, we'll see. Hubby has Tony. I've used up all of my JJ's.
It's about time to call it a day for me. I hope y'all have a great night. I'll try to check in tomorrow. Have a great night!
Oh the work of a night owl; I slept and dreamt that life was joy, I woke and saw that life was duty, I acted and behold duty was joy.
Allshookup;
Carl eh? I never met him, as my auto involvement was over by the time he came on the scene. He does seem like a real good guy that fits in. It is always important to see that such a wonderful culture as NASCAR is passed on. This is a sport that is very serious about keeping the traditions going, and for good reason.
I tend to root for my favorites, despite their record. So, I am rooting for the Jeffs as always. Either one would be fine to win, but "brother" would be best, I guess.
Speaking of sports, I am glad to see that my favorite coach won last night, Joe Paterno. I just read a stupid article against him. We need to get that "writer" at rivals.com on hubpages, I guess. He would probably be called an RFRWC, I guess, though.
Onusonus;
That sounds like a blessed day indeed. I hope all else is well, too. I pray that God will keep the string of great days doing for you and yours.
I am blessed by work. I have always been fortunate to enjoy what I do, well not exactly always of course. Some days are better than others...
Psa 104:31 The glory of the LORD shall endure for ever: the LORD shall rejoice in his works.
Psa 104:32 He looketh on the earth, and it trembleth: he toucheth the hills, and they smoke.
Psa 104:33 I will sing unto the LORD as long as I live: I will sing praise to my God while I have my being.
Good morning brothers and sisters.
Mornin everybody.
Paterno is a great guy. He's a Christian I think, right? He's been coaching there since I can remember. How long has he been there?
Allshookup;
I think Paterno has coached in one school for 42 straight years as I recall. I think that he is Christain, too, but I do not know him personally. My late father would have known, but I never asked him. Maybe someone else knows for sure. I did not go to Penn State.
Allshookup;
Thank you for your prayer request, and my wife and I are glad to include you and your family in our prayers.
I am praying for your son and for you. I pray that God will put a hedge of protection around your family and I pray that he is merciful to restore your health as soon as possible within His perfect plan.
We look forward to His gracious accomplishment of these requests.
I really appreciate that VP. I really do. I know God will bless.
It seems my favorite driver won today. Carl made a great effort right at the end but to no avail.
Was that awesome or what Sir? LOVED IT!!!! Although I had Carl as my driver for today. I'm out of JJ's. That's how a NASCAR race is supposed to end. Close up to the checkers! I haven't seen you much today. Good to see you!
VP, Brother came back and finished 6th. Or I think it was 6th. LOL My memory doesn't always serve me lol. My son flipped between the race and football games. He's been on the couch with me all day. So, I let him have control of the remote.
I have had a busy day today. Church in afternoon then a trip to Supermarket. After I got home I watched what was left of the race. I loved it also. A great finsh for a race.
It was great indeed. I didn't go to church today since our son is sick. He didn't feel like going anywhere and he's probably contageous. So, we didn't want to make the other kids sick, too. So, we watched Adrain Rogers and Tony Evans for our preaching for today.
I have a hub question. How to you subscribe to an rss feed and where does the feed go? Is it a google thing? I use google as my homepage. How does that work?
When I write a hub I use the RSS feed on the hub to show my latest hubs. Go to your profile and click the rss tab and it iwll go to the page showing your RSS. Of course you can go to anyones profile and get their RSS feed also. It depends on what you want to use it for.
Ok. I appreciate your help SirDent.
Ok I did it. It went to my favorites thing on my computer.
No problem Allshookup.
Is that where you wanted it to go?
Where else can I send it?
You can use it on your hubs. Just add an RSS capsule the edit it to put the link in.
You can use it on your hubs. Just add an RSS capsule the edit it to put the link in.
Ok. Thank you.
Ok, Huckabee was on FOX News and they took him off for them to talk about the bailout and never really said anything but that we will find out about it at 6:30 am in the morning, but it took them 25 mintues to tell that. UGH! He had Elizabeth, the conservative lady on The View on as a guest and was going to show where she asked Obama about the church and Rev. Wright thing and they didn't let me see it. :( Bad people! I thought they really had something to say. I was wrong.
Allshookup;
The Jeffs did OK today, 4th and 6th if I recall.
Congruatulations SirDent, I did not know you were a NASCAR fan too. Johnson leads the points now. He may win it if Kyle Busch does not go postal, lol. He must be beside himself. I just can't believe his luck.
I was outside all day getting preapred to put the new roof on my barn tomorrow. I am hiring a guy for that, though. My balance may not be good enough anymore. So, I may be in and out this week while we get that done.
Ugh! Heights! I hate heights! I hope all goes well with your barn. Yeah, Kyle seems to have lost steam. Gordon did well being sick. He said maybe he should stay sick lol. Well, I'm gonna call it a day. I hope all of you have a great night and day tomorrow. I'll check in if I don't have to carry my son to the doctor. Sweet dreams.
What kind of roof you putting on VP?
What kind of roof you putting on VP?
Can any of you RFRWCs identify for me the source of the belief that human life begins at the moment of conception which, as I understand it, is the reason for opposition to abortion under any circumstances and opposition to embryonic stem cell research. A religious Catholic told me recently that St. Thomas Aquinas said that human life begins at baptism which struck me as curious. I recall reading somewhere that at one time Christian belief was that life begins at the time the fetus is able to survive outside the womb. Of course this moment as a result of medical technology has become considerably earlier in pregnancy than it was in Biblical times. Now, the predominant belief, from what I read, is that the life of a zygote is sacred. Is that correct? If so, is there a Scriptual basis for this belief? If so, what is the basis for saying that the life of the zygote or embryo is more sacred than the life of the mother or the lives of those who might be saved by using it for stem cell research?
Sir Dent;
Good morning. I pray that all is well there.
I am getting just 30 year dimensional shingles with all the usual materials that go with it, nothing too fancy. My wife likes black shingles, so we will have black shingles. This is a red gambrel barn with tan trim, well it is really going to be a house, since I gutted and rebuilt the inside.
I have three other sheds and the house, so we did not really need the barn. The farming is done, so the big tractor is gone.
Jer 1:5 Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.
VP, I don't like shingles on a gambrel roof personally. Is it a professional roofer who will be doing the job? The problem I have with shingle on a gambrel roof is that lower part is too steep really. The shingles must have extra nails tpo keep them from sliding off the roof.
Morning everybody.
When I read that question, that was the Scripture that came into my mind too SirDent, so I wont retype it. Good post.
I have something to say concerning charity which is kind and does not envy and is not puffed up, nor seeks its own or is easily provoked; but rejoices in truth and bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, and endures all things.
Therefore it is said if you have no charity you are nothing. Therefore you should cleave to charity which is greatest of all, and all things must fail- but charity is the pure love of Christ, and it endures forever, and whoso is found posessed with it at the last day, it shall be well with him.
Have I already mentioned that you write really deep? If not, I am now. Good post, as always. Just thought I'd come back and see if anything is going on.
Thanks Allshookup. I really didn't think my writing was very deep. :P
Well, that's a matter of opinion! :-}
Sir Dent;
Thank you for that advice. I really appreciate it, and that makes perfect sense. I had no problem with the prior roof in that reagard, and it was a 20 year roof. I think a roof usually has three nails, right? Should we put on five or something like that?
What would you use instead of shingles, by the way?
I would double up on them. They should have four nails for each shingle. I would put eight if it was me.
Instead of shingles I would use painted metal roofing. It looks great on a gambrel roof and you can get it in many different colors. Easy to install and the warranty should be at least 25 years. The type we normally put on has 40 year warranty.
Ralph is trying to steal my compliment!!!!!! :P
Ralph;
I sure would distinguish between stem cell research and saving the mother. Maybe I missed your point there.
As to life beginning at baptism, that is a way of remarking that life is dead without Jesus. It is not emant to be confused with the physical life, as that is the spiritual life. I do find it interesting that gives the opinion that the spiritual life is actually more important than the physical life perhaps.
Ceratinly, Ralph, this is a hot topic with Sarah Pallin's personal stand against abortion. Is there another reason that you ask?
You know I always love your posts SirDent! I'm about to go answer your post on the hub I did yesterday. On the hub I did today, you make excellent points! Thanks for that! And not to worry, no one can steal your compliments! :)
VP, does tin work? I love tin on a roof. I'm not a carpenter, just a girl who likes to hear it rain on a tin roof. Very relaxing.
And tigerperson, I like my opinion lol. Did you answer my question on your hub yet?
Sir Dent;
Thanks again. I am using a professionla roofing company for advice. They got me a great deal on the materials, and they found me labor. I will pass along your ideas, and I am sure they will be very interested in them. They are brothers, and they will certainly consider changing the plan. The last thing they want is for the job to fail on us.
Allshookup;
I also love a tin roof. I have a tin shed, roof and sides with a huge metal sliding door. I like it, but it leaks like crazy.
It was put on a dirt floor. I need to put down a slab and rebuild it this winter. I don't see how to recycle the tin since the holes would have to match perfectly. I really don't know about the nails which failed here before to get the leaks, it seems.
FYI, if there are any northerners in the bunch, the winter is the time to work outside down here.
My wife is tired of spending the money, but I want my sheds just right. The tin shed was here when I bought the place. I wish I could recycle it and put it back up over the proper foundation and framing.
Ugh. Not good to leak. Kinda defeats the purpose. My grandmothers house, which was over 100 years old, had a tin roof. I loved it. But, I have no idea how they did it and made it not leak. And, I can understand your wife lol. Sorry. My daddy and I actually did that. We took an old barn and built a shed and come to think of it, it had a tin roof, but ugh! to think again, the cows and chickens got wet in it. It was sorta a shed for our animals. Not tools. We called it a shed because it was so much smaller than that huge barn. Maybe we shoulda called it a small barn. And yes, winter is better down here. Less humidity.
VP, thanks for your reply. I'm not a fan of abortion. However, I don't support having the government prohibiting early term abortions or abortions to save the life of the mother. I support embryonic stem cell research using embryos that would be otherwise discarded. It seems quite clear that the potential benefits outweigh any sanctity of life considerations for embryos destined to be discarded anyway. I respect the beliefs of people who believe in the sanctity of life so long as they are consistent and oppose capital punishment. I am not opposed to restricting late-term non-emergency abortions. Early abortions should be permitted in accordance with Rowe v. Wade and left up to the woman and her doctor. A zygote or an early embryo is not a human being or the equivalent of a baby. Early term abortions are not murder or infanticide, in my opinion. Life may begin at conception but the the product of conception is not an instant human being worthy of protection regardless of other considerations. The incidence of abortions can be reduced by comprehensive sex education in public schools.
A zygote or an early embryo is not a human being or the equivalent of a baby
This is an untrue statement. Pro-Choice supporters use this to ease their conscience when they kill a baby. It's easier to say it's an embryo than call it what it really is, a live baby. That is a cop out.
Sex Education in public schools is not the answer. It's the parents' responsiblity to teach their child/ren that. I don't know what a teacher would tell my son. They might even give him condoms. We teach to wait until his wedding night. That is how it should be. Ultimately the decision will be his, but we will know that we have taught him right.
Why are you not in favor of capital punishment? This is not related to abortion at all. Abortion is killing an innocent baby that has never murdered anyone. Capital punishment is for those who have. Those 2 subjects do not belong in the same paragraph. One is an innocent baby, the other a convited murderer. No comparison. Apples and watermelons.
You're entitled to your opinion. However, it strikes me as inconsistent and UN-CHRISTIAN to preach against morning after pills or early abortion based on sanctity of life and in the next breath support the death penalty. We are about the only "advanced" coutry that still has the death penalty. My state, Michigan, outlawed it long ago. The Catholic church is consistent in its position opposing both abortion and capital punishment. Seems to me that there is something somewhere in the New Testament about forgiveness.
A morning after pill would not be needed if no sex had taken place the night before. The biggest problem in this nation as far as sex and abortion goes is that parents no longer teach their children to refrain from sex. Everyone use sex to seel their products and we (the public) do nothing about it.
It seems many want sex education in schools. I could agree with that if it is taught in the right way, but they teach that sex is good and it's OK. They pass out condoms and birth control and think nothing of it.
Twelve and thriteen year olds having sex. no responoisbility and no restraint. Abortion allows them to keep having sex by killing the very object that sex produces.
Forgiveness is there for everyone. Jesus already forgave every single person who ever lived. He forgave the harlot who was about ot be stoned for comitting adultery. He also said something to her. He said, "Go and sin no more."
Even though forgiveness is already done, we must satill believe that Jesus is who He said He was. We must confess Him with our mouths and believe in our hearts that God raised Him from the dead.
It's so easy to say, "That's really Christian like or it's unchristian like." Would a Christian have sex over and over while aborting the babies that are conceived?
SirDent, I guess I don't have to say this considering what was in my previous post. So, I'll just say, good post, well said, and I totally agree.
Hi Raplh;
I am proud to post in reply to you. I think you and SirDent/Allshookup have covered both sides of this issue to some extent.
Some of us have lived the immorality and resulting agony of that. I won't bother you all with the details, but I will do so if I think it will help save any other person from the horror that I have lived from sexual immorality.
It is much as SirDent put so plainly. While the abortion "penalty" for conceiving seems harsh when conceiving the child is phrased as a penalty, the penalty of sin is a penalty, nonetheless.
Take abortion, for example. Someone who is not a Christian could have an abortion. There is guilt for that, in my opinion in any case, Christian or not. I have seen that the main reason that people do not accept God is their guilt. I do not say that critically or to indict anyone, it is just what I have found.
So, back to me. I do not have guilt for what I have done. I do know that Jesus has forgiven me. I have seen that over and over, not to mention that He promises that. Ralph, I am not worthy of that forgiveness, though.
What bothers is me is whether I might have kept someone else from accepting Him. Guilt can take many forms, and God is just trying to help us have the best life we can.
I know that is not a very analytical, Biblical message to you. However, it is very real to me that God just wants what is best for us. Thanks for having dialogue with us so that we can all examine things together.
Allshookup, Onusonus and SirDent;
Thank you, all of you, for being such terrific partners here. I pray that all of you are blessed for the work you have done here. God promises that your good deeds will be rewarded, and I praise Him for how He will bless all of you.
It's an honor.
Yippee, the bailout was defeated. Stay strong America, and continue to call Congress. It is right to let the market prevail. The fat cats made bad investments, and they should be held accountable for them, just as we are held accountable for our mistakes.
I think I'm going to go. I don't know if I'll be in tomrrow or not. It's my 40th birthday tomorrow and I don't know if I want to come on here and have a day like today or not. I think today has about been my worst day I've had as a hubber.
Even the worst day in the world of hubbing or any other past time is way better than a few minutes in hell.
Allshookup;
What happened here? I missed it doing roofing duties. I am so sorry.
Happy Birthday!!!! Take the day off. Just tell us where to go pop em. The team will make them pay. Have the greatest day ever. I will always remember turning 40, not that anything super special happened. It is just a big day, like turning 21. So, take it like a man lol. We don't care about our age lol. Hey I wanted you to have a happy birthday, so I just did a little birthday joking.
On comprehensive sex education: When I was a junior in high school, more years ago than I care to remember, I had the good fortune to be in the pilot comprehensive sex ed class at my school (University High School at LSU). And believe me it was comprehensive! It covered everything from A to Z so to speak. We had the U.S. Army VD (This was before STDs) movie; we learned about the mechanics of sex; deviant sexual behavior; contraception; prostitution and just about anything else you can imagine. Teams were assigned to investigate and report to the class on a variety of topics using a large collection of books the teacher had assembled. One was entitled, as I recall "The Encyclopedia of Deviant Sexual Behavior." It was one of the most read of all the materials. It covered everything from fetishism to necrophilia to homosexuality (which of course would no longer would be included). I don't recall the word "abstinence" being mentioned. Instead the message we were given, as I recall, was that sexual intercourse should not be undertaken lightly. It should be more than a physical act. It should not be undertaken lightly because it can result in pregnancy, veneral diseases and psychological harm. Ideally it should be confined to marriage. There was not a single pregnancy in my school during the four years I was there (and very little sex!). I took this class more than 50 years ago, and it has benefited me in many ways since. For example, when a gay English professor approached me a couple of years later I was able to understand what he had in mind and sidestep the situation without getting myself into a corner, so to speak. I have been married nearly 40 years to the same woman and have three fine children all of whom are supporting themselves. I'm amazed at the controversy over sex education from time to time in the school district where I now live.
From what I've read, objective studies show that abstinence only sex ed is not effective in curbing teen sex as much as we would like it to be. Also, for the increasing numbers of people who are waiting much later to marry, abstinence is unrealistic and unlikely to be achieved by many.
Ralph;
Again, I related to your story, and I appreciate your sharing it.
I think you hit the nail on the head that this all starts with knowing right from wrong. I try hardest to teach my children what they should do. There are wrong choices made all around them, not just by kids anymore but by parents who do not train their children properly or even act properly. The parents do not instill proper values in their kids.
If someone knows what is right to do, even if they err, they will feel bad. The penalty of feeling bad is a heavy weight to carry. Many say that I should not make them feel bad. Well, I do not exactly. They feel bad because they know they did wrong. Many have adpoted the "don't worry, be happy" mess. How was that supposed to work? It sure is a miserable failure.
Anyway, after feeling bad for a while, they find that it is better to do right and feel content without the roller coaster of emotions which is no way to live.
Again, that is just how I see this in a practical sense for me.
Maybe the word abstinence was not spoken or taught straight out Ralph, but it's implication was very strong.
Verse(s) of the day;
Happy Birthday Allshookup.!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Joh 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
Joh 14:7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.
ASU, Happy birthday! And remember the work of the Lord in these days is one of vast magnitude and almost beyond the comprehension of mortals. It's glories are past description, and it's grandure unsurpassable.
Thank all of you very much! You'll never guess what one of my friends got me for my birthday. A SARAH! shirt! It says SARAH! like that in big letters, then under it, it says McCain-Palin '08 and she got me a pin that has Obama's face on it with an X through it and it says 'Say NOBOMA!' and a McCain-Palin bumpersticker. I was happy. I checked the votes in Mississippi last night before I signed off. All but one here, Chip Pickering, voted against the bailout. That made me happy, well, except for Chip. They just said on Fox that they are looking to start up again in the morning with it though. I hope people keep calling in. How has y'alls day been? Again, I really appreciate all of you and all of your constant support. Y'all are so great to me. Thank you!!!!!!!!!!!!
I have a hub question for y'all. I was looking at my google earnings because I have had alot of hits from the last 2 hubs I did, but they are not on my google reports at all. Why is that? And how do I get them to be there? Any advice would be greatly appreciated. I've had more hits in the last 48 hours than the rest of the time I've been on hubpages, but it's not showing them on google. Help please.
Allshookup;
That is a funny present. For me, I get Ron Paul stuff along with some "no chance" rhetoric, you know.
I sure hope you had a great day, particularly that yesterday was not so great.
I am sure no expert on using adsense on hubpages. At least I think that is what you are referring to, right? I do not use adsense anywhere because the user has to click through. I make a lot more from using EBay and Amazon, plus various targeted affiliate programs.
SirDent;
Thanks for the nailing tips for the roof. We are using textured shingles, so we can put about six nails per shingle. They agree with you fully. That was a super tip, and I appreciate it very much. The roof looks great so far.
I like Ron Paul. Ok, I need to go for the night, but if you get time, would you mind explaining how you do what you do and how it works for me. That would be a great birthday present for me. I really need to make some money, if possible. Any help would be a great blessing. Y'all have a great night and sweet dreams! Thanks again for all the well wishes!
Allshookup;
Our programs are a bit complicated, but I can recap them for you. We build and manage 76 ECommerce websites currently, and we are still in the development final stages. We plan to give sites like them away to needy and poor people as well as nonprofits.
We use blogs as the foundation of the site. As you can see, a blog can generate a lot of content, and the search engines like that. Then we put EBay on them. That is a very hard part. It combines two program languages, PHP and Javascript.
We do get sales, as opposed to adsense. So far, this is a relatively new venture for us, so it is nothing terrific, but our trainers feel this will work well in time. It takes a lot of our time, and it was hard to develop. However, we want to help others miss out on the development work that took us many months.
So, in essence, we are online stores for various niche products. People really like EBay, and we think having that on a blog will be a good store concept. I do a lot of training with the sites, so that they are managed correctly, at least according to our very expensive trainers.
Does that make any sense at all?
Glad I could be of help VP. You can send cash if you want. :P
For ASU. There will be days you make money and days you won't. It takes time to build up to making money, but it will come.
SirDent;
Can you give any tips as to how to make that money? Are you speaking of adsense as the revenue source, for example? Does it just happen or there concepts that increase the chances?
What's cash? I am a nonprofit, and that is in the literal and figurative sense.
It will come is all I can say. Key words and good content is the key. I haven't recieved any money yet but I do have my first check on the way at the moment. I am not here for making money myself, but if I get a few dollars it won't break my heart. :P
Pe 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
2Pe 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
Good morning friends. :)
SirDent, you are right. Our pilot class conveyed the idea of abstinence without ever using the word. However, the course gave us quite complete and broad information about sexuality. It left virtually nothing out, except abortion was not mentioned, pro or con. Rowe v. Wade had not occurred, and abortion was illegal.
It really makes me believe that if abortion had remained illegal, then there would be a lot less preganacies terminated because there would be a lot less teenage sex.
In the year 1099 the Christina Crusaders sacked Jerusalem and reportedly slaughtered between 10 and 20 thousand men, women and children - even the animals were not spared. (Covered in my hub No Mans Land part 6) Is this an indictment of Christianity? I see it as an indictment of mankind - anything touched by the hand of man becomes tainted. The longstanding history of the evils of the church is another example - man's will is executed, God's will is ignored. It has been said (by Alan Watts) that The Church is man's greatest barrier to knowing God. Love your free-wheeling satirical attitude. Everyone needs to believe in something - I believe I'll go fishing!
Cegain, I know well the Crusades and such. One thing you don;t happen to mention is what went on for over one thousand years before the crusades. Now I do not condone the Crusades. Nor am I a Catholic.
Did you know that Pagans were instumental in the persecution of the early Christians? They would turn them over to the Romans for rewards, they would beat them to death, stone them, and burn them.
All the Words that Jesus spoke are coming to fruition. The world gets more evil by the day. The imagination of the minds of men are getting more and more evil. Yet those who try to make things right and show the way, get the blame for it.
I have heard it said, that people do not believe in organized religion. I believe this growing trend to be a farce. To say that you dont believe in organized religion is to say that God is not organized.
Mornin everybody. Wow, lots going on today. Onusonus, I totally agree with what you just said. 'Forsake not the assembling of yourselves together.' Great post.
VP, thanks for that info. SirDent, thanks for the encouragement.
What I was looking for, that I didn't explain well, is how to get all of my hubs on to google. The first 8 are on there, but the last 3 aren't and those are the ones that have gotten the most hits. Which they aren't getting as many now as the first 48 hours, but when I write another one, how to I get it to be on my google thing? SirDent and Onusonus, do either of you make money through google?
I dont know, Im just messing with the computator.
Thanks Onusonus, I feel like I'm doing the same. I was kinda hoping to make a little money if possible.
Sorry it took so long for me to answer you. It has been really heavy on my heart about this whole bailout thing. Yesterday I talked to a whole lot of people and asked them what their feelings on it are. They are ALL the same. Say no to the bialout. But, my question to them was, 'Have you let your elected officials know how you feel?' Most hadn't. And that really worried me. Last night my husband and I taked about that and prayed about it. It became even heavier on our hearts. Today I called 2 of our officials and their reps said they are in meetings trying to decide what's best for American people. One is a (R) the other a (D). I have supported both since they frist began running for their first offices, here in Mississippi. I have campaigned for them, baked cakes and sold for them, called people, hand addressed envelopes until my hand felt like it was going to fall off, passed out cards at voting precincts, etc. So, since I have done all of that for them, I called them to find out their feelings. No answer from either. Very disappointing. So, I just explained how we felt about it and that we could no longer support them if they voted for it. Then, my husband had an idea. Start an email campaign complete with the phone numbers for people to call and let them know where they stand. This is an election year for one of them. I hope we will have some sort of win. At least we can say that we didn't sit quietly and did nothing. Anyway, I have now emailed half of Mississippi, part of Tennessee, a few in Cali and a few in New Jersey. I hope it works.
Don't wory about the world colapsing around us, I say to give thanks to your heavenly King who keeps you, and preserves you from moment to moment by lending you breath, and all that he requires of you is to keep his commandments, and if you do this he does immediately bless you.
Onusonus, I do thank Him very much. Especially yesterday, being my bithday, it dawned my me and my husband that 3 weeks before I truned 30, I died. I was dead 8 minutes. Everybody really ragged me yesterday having the 'black birthday' and it was all in fun. I had a great day. But, when we were here at home alone, he remembered back to that day when I died and how he was told I was gone. And now, here I am alive at 40! I am a real walking miracle. The 2 floot bloodclot in my body is staying in place, at what the drs call 'no reason'. They can't see why it would just stay there and not move. But, like we keep telling them, there's a Hand that is keeping it still and therefore, me alive. And I do try to do what you say in keeping His commandments and thanking Him. But, sometimes I feel we have kept silent in our views too long and that's why our country, city, state, or even church is in the mess they are in today. That's why we prayed about me doing the email. We don't want to do anything that God doesn't want us to do. And I hope that in some small way we have glorified Him in what we are doing. Thanks for posting that! :)
Allshookup;
As I have siad, we are no hubpages experts. I do not know whether you are familiar with these terms, but I will try.
I assume you are wondering if Google has indexed your hubpages. Yes/no?
Hubs should be listed within no more than 24 hours, since hubpages is a very high ranking site. the spiders should be searching hubpages constantly.
That means that your hubs will be listed on the search engines according to the strength of the google algorythm's ranking of your hub pages. The top sites for the keywords you list on your hubpage are at the top of the search obviously. To get to the top of the search engine takes mainly three things. One is time, true, but we have seen sites in the top two within two hours. That usually does not last. Here are the two main factors. As was already said, content. The other is links to the page. That is kind of complicated, because the better the rank of the link, the more impact that has on the search engines, google, MSN and Yahoo mainly.
We did a test on the RFRWC site, and it was a total zero, as we expected. No one clicked through to the Google ads, so we made no money. That is why we do not use adsense. Others swear that they make big money with it, but I am skeptical.
I may have missed your question totally, though.
Onusonus and Alshookup;
Of course you are both right with your takes on politics. Some of us are more called to fighting the politics, I think. I think I am also called to fight the injustice. Others are clearly not called to that. So, both are right according to the work of the Holy Spirit in each person.
As someone called to the political arena, I am glad you are giving it a good battle, Allshookup. Onusonus, you have other gifts, and I know you pursue them. There is not enough time to fight for every way to glorify Him. I do think political justice would glorify Him, though.
That is a great discussion, and that is my two cents. Thanks you two!
I assume you are wondering if Google has indexed your hubpages. Yes/no?
Yes. That's it.
Allshookup, you can paste the url of your hubpages with " before and after top search for that article itself. if it shows up then Google has indexed it. Sometimes it takes a little longer than a day or two for them to be indexed. Even Google has server problems at times just like everyone else.
As far as making money, I received my first check from Google today in the mail. It is for $122. I have been here for 9 months so far. It isn't a place that I can use to make enough money to retire one. I don't worry about making money either, but if I do that's just a little added bonus for me.
One suggestion, if you haven't done it already, use the keyword help on each hub. I believe it to be a valuable resource.
SirDent, thank you for all of that info. I do add all the words I think people might search on my hubs when I make them. So, I guess the heart of my question is, am I responsible for putting the hub link to each hub on google, or do they get there on their own? It's showing 8 or 9 of my hubs. The last couple done Sunday and Monday haven't made it yet and I couldn't remember if I put them on there or how they got there.
Google will get them indexed as soon as they can. It takes time sometimes. You are relativeley new also and they have to be careful.
Viralprospector, I am glad that somone is good at filtering through the political web, I however am surrounded by over opinionated Retired Navy Chiefs. Try debating one of them on politics!
Jud 1:3 Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.
Good morning Friends. :)
Onusonus;
Ooh, I have never tried debating with those guys. I think I would ask a lot of questions first. Then, I could at least see where they are coming from, huh? In other words, I doubt if they are shy about their views. Whgat are some of the things they believe? Do you guys have any disagreements on issues?
SirDent;
Thank you for the loyal support you give us each day. I am very blessed by your scripture of the day. They are always real timely, and I believe that a lot of thought goes into them. I look forward to seeing them each day.
I am sorry that I seem preoccupied. We had to tear off $150 of shingles yesterday as they were not done correctly by the roofer, ex roofer that is. I feel really stupid. That has put me up on the roof in the hot Texas sun right after curing skin cancer. I would appreciate your prayers. Thanks for everything!
AllShookUp,
Please accept my apologies for the hurt caused by my previous comments. I ask you forgiveness, please.
Ben
Very agressive, One is agnostic by design he once told me that somone showed him a movie about a guy who was telling the people not to pay their taxes, then he put his hands on somone's head and told them that they were healed, by the time the word got out the story turned into him raising the dead. He was finally crucified for treason.
Ben, I accept your apology, but please know you were already forgiven. Thank you for that. I really appreciate it.
VP, UGH! Doesn't sound like you had much fun with the barn yesterday :( We watched C-Span last night as the House voted on the bailout. Not fun.
SirDent, Thanks for letting me know that. That totally answers my question. Thanks!
Onusonus, I think I wouldn't be very good at debating with the people you talk about. However, you seem extremely intelligent and I'm sure you can stand your ground.
Ben;
Welcome back. I hope everything has been going OK. I noticed that you have not been here in a while. Were you on a concrete job?
Onusonus;
Really, I hate to debate. I really prefer what we do here which is to reinforce each other and share the daily lives we lead. However, I have a limit that seems to surface all too often, maybe that is often inappropriately. As allshookup put so well, we will leave that in your capable hands. You know you can count on us if you need, though.
Allshookup;
I suspect that you have not heard anything yet. We continue to pray for a good report. Yes, the bailout rerun is very nauseating. Everyone seems down in the dumps in anticipation of getting shafted by the monarchy again.
We find common ground in the Old Testament, He likes the guidlines set by the ten commandments. I just build off of that.
VP, Well, we know the results of the House vote. I did a hub on it last night. Not good, sadly. Now the senate votes tomorrow. But, I feel it will pass. :(
Onusonus, it's good that he believes that. You have a gift of finding positive in things. I admire that a lot.
Also I am not one for debate either, but when a person says to your face and tries to convince you that what you believe is ridiculous, superstitious, hilarious, it sparks the defenses. Still the challenge is to teach by the spirit, otherwise we teach nothing.
Ok, I have to go get ready. I have a date tonight with my husband <3. He's taking me out for my birthday. And I get to eat my favorite white chocolate dessert! I'm excited! We hope to get back for the debate. I want to see Sarah. I want to go and take my time getting ready. So, I'm going to go on and do that. Have a great evening everybody!
Happy birthday. I hope you don't miss the great debate!
Well, I was out doing roofing again. It is finally getting going well.
Did anyone catch the debate. How did it go? I bet it was good. Sarah and Joe usually are pretty good speakers.
Master the tempest is raging, and I perish, I perish; Oh hasten and take control.
Onusonus;
Is that to say that the debates were not so good?
The debate last night was not a very good one in my opinion. I watched a good portion of it but couldn't stand it anymore.
Amo 3:3 Can two walk together, except they be agreed?
Good Morning Friends. :)
SirDent;
Thanks for your impressions of the "debate".
The news reviews are in agreement with you, it seems. It is very disappointing that, at a time like this, the two major political parties cannot rally any better insanity than they have dumped on us for the past several decades. They play games with the bailout for effect and parade a bunch of nonsense in front of about the upcoming four years.
It is third party time and no party time. I'm not opposed to party time, by the way, it just does not seem the time for that, by any means. I am not swayed from my original opinion that Ron Paul was the right guy for the job.
The only impression I got from the debate is that each Vice presidential candidate knows how to blow the horn of the presidential candidate on their ticket.
I didnt watch them, my mind was elswhere.
Mornin. We watched the debate. Well, all but the first 15 minutes because that's when we got back home. I wasn't really thrilled with it either. It was kinda uneventful to me. I was hoping for more. Like SirDent said, they mostly talked about how great McCain and Obama are. She wore cute shoes. I don't think that will get many votes though lol. I felt the whole thing was written with a bias toward Biden because the woman who asked the questions is writting a book about Obama, to the postive, about his accomplishments, etc. I felt it should be by someone who would not have been on anyone's side, if possible. Maybe then it might have been more exciting. The questions were kinda bland. I don't think the debate will help or hender either side, unless there's something there I didn't see. Thanks for the birthday wishes Ralph. I appreciate that. I had a good supper and great dessert! It was really nice.
1Ti 1:10 For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;
Praise the Lord and good morning friends. :D \o/
SirDent;
It is good to see your scripture of the day, each day. You would probably be laughing hysterically as I drag myself back up on the roof every day. I am very much out of shape, and I have been up there over 12 hours each of the last I can't count how many days.
So, if I missed something, please point it out. I am on break now, and I will try not to put in so many hours today. I recently had about 100 skin cancer stitches and other treatments. So, being in this hot sun with even sunscreen #60 on is a doubtful idea.
We got a little sprinkle yesterday, but my prayers were answered, and it quickly stopped. We are moderately dried in. We hope to finish tomorrow.
Boy, I feel so honored to be invited to this page by Viral. How is it that one who disagrees with almost everything you guys believe, walks right into the hornet's nest. Oooooohhh!!! I'm scared. By the way, it is my belief that the body of Christ should not get involved with politics. I believe that whatever happens was supposed to, anyway. No, we should be informed, just not involved. Well, I'm not that spiritually mature, yet. So, to all of my conservative friends:
I'm voten for Obama. I can't stand what that idiot Bush has done to this country.
Dan, I think you also should remember the scripture, "Touch not my annointed." David wrote it concrning Saul who had already backslid and couldn't get back with the Lord. Whether Bush is an idiot or not is moot, where do you get of calling him one?
What's the point of being informed, in your opinion, if we are not to have anything to do with it?
Bush is no more annointed than Henry Kissenger ever was. It's good to be informed. Especially if you look past what the media is telling you. Sort of like looking past what the clergy says, huh.
I never said that people should believe every thing (or much of what) they hear. Just hear it. I've heard what the clergy says. I think I can see through much of what they say.
Dan,
You Stated,"I believe that whatever happens was supposed to, anyway."
Why get upset over "that idiot Bush" if it was supposed to happen anyway and there's nothing you or anyone else can do about it?
And why vote if Christians aren't supposed to get involved in politics?
I believe the proper term in this case is "ordained" instead of annointed. Romans 13 uses this term to refer to the "powers that be." That means that Bush is just as ordained as Kissinger was .....and Castro....and Hitler......and Stalin..... and Hussein.........and Obama??????????
What an awesome start to the day...
Three of the most intelligent and informed people I know in morning debate. This could be very interesting!
Flattery willl get you????????????????
Yes, you are right. Pollitical leaders have been ordained by God and we are to follow the laws of the land. That, in it self, does not mean that we shouldn't take active roles, though. The fact that God sets things into place does not mean that we should just let things happen. Remember, we don't know what is supposed to happen and what part we play. We could say, why even get out of bed? God has everything going as planned and I can't change any of it. But we do, because God has inspired us to do things. The devil also plays a role and has a great deal to do with man's decisions. But regardless, you're not going to surprise God with your decisions. Now, to answer your question, no, I probably shouldn't vote. I don't think that Christ would have voted for the lesser of two evils.
What David meant by that is that anyone who was chosen by God can only be removed by God and even those who had turned away from God, can only be removed by God. Even when they are way out in left field, they are still the chosen of God.
Exo 32:5 And when Aaron saw it, he built an altar before it; and Aaron made proclamation, and said, To morrow is a feast to the LORD.
Exo 32:6 And they rose up early on the morrow, and offered burnt offerings, and brought peace offerings; and the people sat down to eat and to drink, and rose up to play.
Exo 32:7 And the LORD said unto Moses, Go, get thee down; for thy people, which thou broughtest out of the land of Egypt, have corrupted themselves:
Praise God for His Word forevermore. \o/
I understood what David said. Everything happens as God purposes, is what I'm saying. God uses man to get His intentions into action. So, the voting process is what God uses in this country. He also uses war to get His intentions for the time. It doesn't mean that everything that God has us do is "Godly". Satan influences our evil thoughts. But who created Satan? If God didn't intend on Bush being president, he never would have been. The same goes for leaders such as Hitler, Stalin, Castro, Pol on the Pot and Chavez. In no way does this make what they have done, right.
Ben
You said;"Flattery willl get you????????????????"
I don't know, what? Insulted, maybe...
I kind of look at politics and religion like this:
If some leader is doing ungodly things, I act against that leader as strongly as I can. Sure I realize that it is all a part of God's perfect plan. Whatever I do, He knew I would do before He created Adam and Eve.
If someone, especially a leader, goes against the Bible, I will do whetever I can to rebel against it. God did not ordain or anoint or anything else a leader to act in a sinful way. Sure we all sin, but that does not mean that I should take it. I do not buy for a second that we should just obey our leaders whatever they do. I am furious with the leaders of our country, and I think it is time for a revolution. This cannot go on. This is totally absurd behavior by our leaders. Nothing in the Bible tells me to accept policies that reward rich thieves and crush the poor and needy with economic policies that force that. Anyone who thinks that this is OK can go ahead and support it. Not me, not ever.
Well, at least you don't support the GOP. I do believe it's all a part of God's purpose. I don't think anyone should believe a politician who supports biblical matters. The two cannot coexist. Poltics is about pleasing one's constituents. And people should not follow policies that are against God's law. For instance, thou shalt not kill. So if one is drafted to war, then that is a perfect time to stand against the law. Again, laws are in place for a reason. Most of them are good. Some, violate our rights. But I still don't think that we should act against laws. If we feel like speaking out, fine. But it is opposed to God to try and force our wills on others. It is not against God's laws to be (for lack of a better word) passive. We are lucky to live in a land where we are not forced to follow certain religious ceremonies and such. Still, none can say that opportunities will present themselves fairly, regardless of beliefs. Nobody wants dissidents in their organizations. If we're lucky enough to find employment where we can keep our beliefs, then great. But, if I speak out against what I feel is wrong, I risk suspension or dismissal. Walking with God will never be an easy task in this world.
Am I back?
*Happy Dance! Happy Dance!* I've been trying to post on here for the last 2 days or more and it wouldn't let me. I can see what y'all are saying, but I couldn't post. I have tried a couple dozen times. SirDent told me what to do just now, and now I'm back on! I wonder how come this is the only hub that wouldn't take my posts? Anyway, thanks soooooooo much SirDent!!!! Your great!!!!!!!!!! So good to be back!!!!
Ok, I feel much better that I can now post on here again. I've had a migraine all night last night and all day today, and I'm to the point of not being able to deal with it any longer. I'm gonna have to go lay down under the fan and turn all the lights off and lay on an ice pack. I hope you all have a wonderful night and since I can post on here again, I'll check in with y'all tomorrow. God bless you all!!!!!
Glad you could make it back ASU. Praise the Lord forever more \o/
Dan;
I know where you are coming from on politics and religion, I think. There seems to be immense hypocracy to sort of blow with the prevailing wind of hot issues. Then, it comes down to the same things as is usually the case, just follow the money.
I do not support Republicans or Democrats actually. Yet, my favorite politician is a Republican, Ron Paul. It is too bad they did not run him.
However, I do think that politicians can and should be following the laws of God far better than they are. Perhaps they are just stupid, but it seems hard for me to believe they can be that stupid. If they are not total morons, then they are crooked. I can't remember the last time I agreed with anything these clowns did. The Constitution is but a distant memory.
Allshookup;
Welcome back. I hope you feel better.
I am sorry that you were under the weather. I suffered from migranes for about 20 years. I still get them if the right circumstances occur. For me it is stress, bad eating and not drinking enough water. MSG used to kill me. Any of the three can do me in, at times.
I am not under the stress of my monster corporate job, and I think that is the main thing that helps. I drink a ton of water now, and that is helpful. However, I have to eat three meals a day or I might still get one.
They are no fun at all. I pray that God will remove them from you within His perfect plan.
Exo 33:22 And it shall come to pass, while my glory passeth by, that I will put thee in a clift of the rock, and will cover thee with my hand while I pass by:
Exo 33:23 And I will take away mine hand, and thou shalt see my back parts: but my face shall not be seen.
Good Morning friends. :) I wonder what those verses mean to you? Anyone got any insight on them?
Mornin, Well, I got the call from my doctor. I told y'all I'd let you know when we got it and what he said. It wasn't what we had hoped for. The biopsy came back bad. He is going to have to go back in and go deeper and get the whole growth and everything attached to it. I have to admit that we are concerned. But, I know that God is in control and I belong to Him. And I know that no matter what happens in this, He will be taking care of me.
SirDent, what I get from those today is that He is putting me in the clift of the rock (His hand). And I know I'm safe there and I'm still in the presence of His Glory. That although I may not be able to see His Face, that He is still here with me showing me what He can do.
Allshookup;
Oh, I am so sorry that this has turned out to be a bigger problem than you had hoped for. Of course, my prayers will continue. I am sure that you have considered a second opinion, too.
Your courage is most admirable, and without Him, things would not be so encouraging indeed. Thank you for letting us know this news, albeit not what we had hoped. We await the upcoming good report.
SirDent;
In addition to the comments from Allshookup, I think we cannot see the face of God for He is too majestic and holy. We cannot even look on His face because He is so far beyond us.
Thanks VP. Yes, I called another doctor this morning to have a second opinion. They had the results of the first boipsy sent to them. I have to go see that other dr soon. Then we'll decide where to go from there. But, the doctor I talked to about the second opinion said that from what she sees on the fax from the 1st one, that she feels it must come out, also. Thanks for your continued prayers.
Thanks for your insight guys. I also will be praying for you ASU. It is with His stripes we "ARE" healed.
What I got from those scriptures above is this. Moses wanted to truly see God fully. God wouldn't show His face, which I consider the future. We know that there was no Word written down prior to this. When God showed Moses his Back parts, what he actually showed him was The Creation and everything that led up to where Moses was at the time of this revelation.
Remember that when Moses came down off the mountain, his face shined so brightly that the People of Israel were afraid. He started wearing a vale and only removed it when talking to God.
I just love the Word of God. \o/
SirDent, thanks for sharing that. It's kinda neat how we can all get good postive useful things out of the same Scripture. And yet all agree with what the other sees in it, too. But, that's how God is. He is what we need at all times. Thanks for your prayers SirDent.
Y'all are so sweet and good to me in here. I really find that such a great source of comfort right now.
VP, I think some were afraid of Ron Paul, which says that he must be a good person. I heard that there were death threats on him and his family. Politics are a dirty business sometimes I guess huh? I still like him, no matter what they think. There was another man who ran for president that was made fun of. Ross Perot. They laughed when he said that we would hear a giant sucking sound if we elected Clinton. (For the record, I did not vote for that man (Clinton)!) And that sound would be the sound of all of our jobs leaving the country. And what are we hearing? Yep.
I hope everyone had a good day and have a great night. Hope Onusonus is ok, I haven't seen him today. It's good to be back posting in here again. Y'all don't know what your support means to me, and of course, your prayers. I'm going to bed, sleep well everyone!
Allshookup;
I am glad to have you back.
I know Ross Perot, but not Ron Paul. When GM bought EDS, Perot was at some meetings I ran. He is a genius, and we did blow it not electing him, I think. Things would be very different today if he had been President, and it is hard to believe that things could be much worse.
I am not surprised to hear of the threats against Ron Paul. I really wish Bush and Chaney would stop that.
The reactor had a meltdown, (just kidding) I have had a lot of overtime. Both abundance and lack of abundance are always there in our lives, as parallel realities. Which will you choose to recognize?
2Ti 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
2Ti 3:17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
I won't be in much today but should be back this evening. Good morning Friends. :) \o/
Hey people. How are you today?
Hi Allshookup;
I am having a good day. How about you? I hope that you are doing OK, but I am worried about you. I continue my prayers for you. I so wish I could do much more.
Thanks VP. Today has been kinda long on me. I'm fixing to go on and lay down for the night. I just wanted to check back in here before I left. I have a drs apt set for Thursday. We'll know then if the second opinion feels the same as the first one. I hope you have a great night. I'll try to be around more tomorrow. Sleep well. I really appreciate the continued prayers!!!!! Hubby said he appreciates them too. I think he's kinda worried. I'll check in tomorrow.
Allshookup;
Good night. I have come to understand over the course of my life that prayers are worth more than anything. My prayer partner told me that he would pray for me in a tough time once, and I told him that I would not trade anything for that. I think it shocked him, but it is a critical thing to me. Please be sure that your husband and son are woven into my intercession with the Lord in His perfect plan for you all.
SirDent;
I hope that helped out. You know me. I most always have the umption, especially after finishing the barn roof. Thanks very much for your helpful comments. We will be tackling the house here soon. It is much easier low pitch one story farm house.
Do you think that shingling over 20 year shingles that are 12 years old is a bad idea? I know that you can't see it to know the details. I got hit by hail, and nothing leaks. The insurance gave us some money for this job, but nowhere near enough. We want to get it behind us, but shingle costs have gone through the roof, pardon the pun.
ASU, Know that if you must pass through trail and tribulation, it is that it will give you experiance for your own good, and if you bear it well for a small moment then eternal shall be your happiness.
VP, Whatever hour God has blessed you with, take it with a greatful hand, nor postpone your joys from year to year; so that whatever place you have been you may say that you have lived happily.
SirDent, I admonish your knowledge of scripture and how better a way to remember it, than to write it, and share it.
Onusonus;
That is funny that I was on another hub of SirDent's saying much the same thing, just now. Psychologists now believe that the path to happiness is living for the moment and helping others. Of course, Jesus was very focused on helping others as well. Hmm, maybe people will wake up to Christainity soon. Thanks for the good words, as always.
We really appreciate all of your prayers. I learned the importance of prayer the first time when I was 6 months pregnant and a patient with Alzheimer's hit me hard in the stomach. We were told I'd lose the baby. My church begin to pray as I was put on bedrest. Those hours passed so slowly. I spent most of my time in prayer. He was born perfectly healthy on Thanksgiving morning. Which I feel was no accident. Then later, when I went in for an out-patient surgery that should have taken 45 mintues, the doctor cut me 6 inches too deep and I bled to death on the table. It took them 8 mintues to get me back and 12 units of blood. Of couse, I was asleep and didn't know anything until hours later. But, soon as the nurse called my room and told my husband that they were 'working with her', and hung up the phone, the phone rang again. It was one of the women from our church asking how things were going. He told her and he was so upset he couldn't even think of his own mother's phone number to call. So, the woman from church started the prayer chain and church, then begin to call people she knew who would pray in other churches. Those hours during my surgery, I was lifted up by people in 5 states, that I know of. I know it was God who directed the hands of the doctor who they called to come in to 'fix' me. 8 hours later, I woke up in ICU with 3 IV pumps. I should not have come back. I was gone too long. So, how can you explain that? Only one Way. Then, after that surgery, I was sent home 48 hours later, and developed a blood clot. It has grown 4 times and is now over 2 feet long. The doctors tell me they don't know how it's just sitting there not moving. I always give them the same anwer. I know how and I know Who. I feel I am a walking miracle. In human terms, there's no way to explain how I'm here. But, I have never felt God so strong as I did, besides the day I was saved, was that night I woke up in the ICU. First thing I did was begin to pray. I told God that I knew I was saved and that if it was my time, I was ready, but I asked him to please help my family to know how much I loved them. At that instant, it was like I could physically feel Him put me in the palm of His hand and cover me. It was instant comfort. A comfort I had never felt. And I was able to go to sleep regardless of the pain I was in. It was so amazing being in that room feeling that. It's a feeling I hope every believer gets to feel at least once in this lifetime. And from that, like Onusonus said, I knew it was for a reason. And that everything would be ok, no matter what happened. That was many years ago, and since then, I have learned a lot of reaons this happened and I hope I have grown from it. Now, this is in front of me, but I still have comfort in knowing no matter what happens, it's for the best and He will walk with me through it. He's never left my side one time for one second. And I'm so thankful for that. Without that, I don't know if I could handle anything.
Allshookup;
I am drenched with tears. That is a wonderful story that everyone should hear. How anyone could live without Him is so troubling to me. Yet, we are constantly amazed that people decide to reject His amazing offer to join His family.
I see your amazing courage and faith so clearly that I know you will be fine. Yet, I realize, just like you, that it is the support of your extended family in Him that wants to help intercede with Him.
Like you, I live for my family in hopes that I care for them. I am ready to join Him whenever it is my time, but I want to make sure everybody is ready besides me.
This time, you are way beyond five states of prayer already.
ASU, Your life is a mirical, I commend you for your enduring faith, and my prayers are with you.
Aww, thank you so both so much. It really means a lot to me. I feel honored to be remembered by you 2 and SirDent and the others in here in prayer, who have become my online Christian family. It's very humbling to me.
I think I'm going to go for the night. Seems not much is going on on here but petty political stuff. I hope all of you have a great night. Sleep well. Again, thanks for your support and prayers. Night!
Allshookup;
I am sure that people are really focused on politics being as the economy has tanked. Everyone is focused, and that is good as long as it is productive. I have been trying to catch up after spending most of last week on the roof.
God bless you.
Pro 15:13 A merry heart maketh a cheerful countenance: but by sorrow of the heart the spirit is broken.
Good Morning Friends. :)
Good one, Sir D :)
Just thought I'd check in. I'm on for a minute to check email then I'm leaving for my doctor apt. I hope all of you have a great day. Love the verse SirDent. Take care. :)
Allshookup;
How did the doctor appointment go?
Doing an evening scripture today also. P, you have been doing a great job with Maestro. Keep up the good work. ;)
Thanks, Paraglider, but I can't take credit for the verse. It is the Word of God.
Psa 150:6 Let every thing that hath breath praise the LORD. Praise ye the LORD.
I hope everything went well at your Doctor's appointment ASU, but no matter what the Doc says, God still has the final word. ;)
SirDent;
Thanks for the good words. I am honored to fill in anytime.
Hey y'all. We're back home. Long day. Well, she felt the same as the first doctor does. It needs to be taken out and whatever it is that's around it. Then they'll check to see if they got it all and we'll go from there. Thank all of you for the prayers and well wishes. I don't have the apt set yet for it to be taken out yet. I should find that out in the next couple days.
Allshookup;
Thanks for letting us know the diagnosis. That was wise for you to double check it. I am sure it has been an ordeal already, and I was hoping with you for a different outcome.
I do not have extensive medical experience, but I do own and did operate an assisted living center, so I have some experience. I do not know what procedure you need, so I am unsure what the risk is. I am certainly not prying. Rather I am just saying that i am here for you if you want someone to "talk" with.
Allshookup, Onusonus and SirDent;
I must admit I am having trouble keeping up with all your hubs that you produce. Please feel free to post links to your hubs, so we do not miss out on them. Any previous hubs are also welcome to alert us to.
Thanks VP. I actually don't know the name of the procedure. He's just going in to get the mass. They only took a small biopsy last time. This next time he'll have to make a larger, deeper place and try to get the whole mass. Then test it more and he'll check to make sure he got it all. That's kinda all I know really. I do have peace about it though, oddly. There is some concern, but I'm not worried. I know God is right here with me and He won't leave me. I did some work at assisted living centers before I got hurt in surgery. I loved it. You can learn a lot from the residents can't you? I think I may turn in for the night. Thank you all again so much for the prayers and comfort. It's really sweet of all of you. Have a great night. Sleep well.
Good night Allshookup. I am glad that you feel this is a pretty safe procedure. Maybe I will worry less, but I will go ahead and pray more. I ran a pretty end stage assisted living center. We operated more like a nursing home as to our residents. They all were diagnosed with dementia, so we had it rough. My average age was over 90, and it was hard to be the main last "family". Most family members could not really take it. I held many hands as they took their last breath. I think I saved a few for the Lord that had not chosen Him before, but I will know someday.
One resident used to pull anyone's hair that got close enough to happen. She was a survivor of the holocaust, A Jewish lady. I used to laugh and she would let go. Others had a few hairs missing when they were able to pry her loose. I remember her big smile and peace as she ended her days. Previously, she was always mad. I think He was with her there where she didn't know Jesus before.
I really loved those people, and it was a real honor to serve them.
I heard a message today about Shadrach, Meshach and Abenego. Something came to me that I already knew, but it had been pushed to the back of my mind. These three were thrown into a furnace burning so hot that those who threw them in perished from the heat. It is very interesting to note that these three were bound with ropes.
When we go into the fire, the fire will not hurt us if we trust in the LORD. Those three trusted Him to death even. They even told Nebuchadnezzar that God is able to deliver them even if He doesn't. This is a prime example of faith.
While they were in the fire the bands were burned away. They were no longer bound. When we are bound by things of the world, (sickness is one of those things), we are thrown into the fire. We must shake out bands off in the fire. We can do this only by trusting Jesus Christ our Lord and Savior.
I have a thought. You all can decide if it belongs on this thread or not. I figured since the point is no point, then anything would fly, so here goes.
What would you do if I walked up to you and told you that I was the second coming of Jesus Christ? Here is a depiction:
I am Jesus. I've returned. But I didn't return the way you thought I would. When they said i would return on the clouds, that was figurative speech. No, I returned the same way that I came the first time. I was born of a woman. I didn't know that I was the Son of God until just recently. It took a lot of growing to discover it. But no matter what you think you know about my second coming, if you don't believe me when I say that I am He, then you are wrong. Here I am, and I've begun to build my kingdom. It's slow in the making, and there's not much to show for it at this time, but I assure you, it's coming.
What is your reaction? Am I nuts? Am I a blasphemer? Do provoke you to anger? To pity?
We are sons and daughters of God in the similitude of his only begotten; and where is your glory that I should worship you? It is darkness to me, and I may judge between you and Christ who said worship God, and him only shall I serve. and I will not cease to call upon God, because his spirit is with me.
1Co 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
Maestro, that same Spirit is also a lie detector. If Jesus comes back in a way other than put forth in the Word of God then He is not Jesus or God is a liar. But you see, God cannot lie. Everything God says or does it right.
Good morning friends. :) \o/
Sir Dent: So I take it you would think I was lying? Oh, but I'm not lying, sir. I am Jesus, the Son of God. That wasn't my given name at birth, but a name doesn't define who you are. I learned over time who I am- Jesus Christ. What is there to fear? I have come to bring peace.
Sir Dent: By the way, the Jews didn't think I was the Messiah the first time I came because of the same reason you don't. They thought I would come in the form of mighty ruler. They thought they knew what the scriptures foretold, but they were wrong. And so are you.
Many have come already claiming to be Christ Maestro. The Holy Ghost which is inside believers will show who Christ really is and who He isn't. It's such an easy thing to say, "I am Jesus," but much harder to show. God doesn't just speak Words, He reveals.
God has revealed His word to many throughout the years. Some have heeded the Word of God and some have not. Some have actually seen visions from God, and some see them from Satan. Satan wanted to be God so badly that he went against God Himself. Of course we know how that ended up at the time and how it will end up in the future.
Remember I said above in this comment that many have said they are Christ? HubPages is full of people who think they are gods, goddesses. Now if you think for a moment, Satan also thought he was above God.
I seem to have gotten off track a little. But God revealed how Jesus will return. The way you mentioned is not the way. That is how I would know it is a lie.
Mornin everyone. Wow, looks like I'm way behind on the conversation in here.
SirDent, reading your story about, as my son calls them, Rack, Shack and Benny (VeggieTales), it spoke to me greatly. Going through this right now, it just reinforces how important it is to put my life in God's hands and the importance of total depedence on Him. They believed until their deaths. Yet, there He was in the fire with them and they didn't even smell of smoke. Well, that's exactly what I believe. I have faith He is walking with me through my 'fire' and He won't let me get burned. I really have peace in this. Although I don't know what will happen. He gives me this peace. It has nothing to do with me. Either He will heal me and I'll be healthy again or this is my ticket Home. Either way, I'm ok. I'd rather choose to stay here and help my husband raise our son. But, only He knows what's best for me and in the end, no matter what, it's for my own good. Thanks for that SirDent. You always post such inspiring things.
VP, thanks so much for the continued prayers. I know that the prayers sent up for me is what's helping me have peace through this. I appreciate it so much. I also worked at a nursing home. Many had dementia or alzheimers. Cruel diseases. But, I felt honored to be there with them. I never had 1 patent that didn't want to hear the Bible read to them or hear me play hymns on the piano. It was so weird to see people who didn't even know their names, when I'd play Amazing Grace on the piano, to see those same people begin to sing the words. It justs shows that no matter what condition we are in, if God is in us, He never leaves us. It was just an amazing sight to see that happen to those precious people. Others working there that weren't saved couldn't figure out why this was possible. But, me and others who were saved knew. There was no question in our minds. If He's in us, He's in us, no matter what shape this moral body gets into. Thank God for that! I have sit and played listening to them sing, crying so much I couldn't see the keys, because to me, I was witnessing a miracle.
Onusonus, great post, as always and I feel the same way.
whit, just curious, but what makes you ask such questions?
allshookup: that would take some explaining, and by explaining, I would defeat the purpose. I'm mainly trying to reveal something that is glaringly obvious to me, but seems to be hidden from deeply-rooted Christians. I am impassioned because I belong to a minority, and am perhaps even alone, in a culture whose mass majority views existence on an ever-declining timeline. Let me restate me original comment:
Allshookup, and everyone else: I am God. You are wrong about what you think of me, but that's ok because I'm not going to chastise you for it. You're in the clear by me. I made you and I'm happy with you no matter what you do. You are following the popular way because it's easy. My way is harder, but much more rewarding. You've been snowed-over by the flow of the masses.
Can you tell me what your reaction is? I mean, can you play along with me here? I have something legitimate to point out to you. If you are firm in your faith then you have nothing to lose by humoring me. Give me your true reaction.
My reaction is that you are someone trying to start some sort of trouble with people who are saved. That you are just trying to stir up trouble. I know how Christ is coming back. If you were Him, I'd be in the sky right now. Since I'm sitting here reading this, proof is, you're not Him. He lives in our hearts and we know Him. We know how He speaks to us. And what you are doing is not it.
Sir Dent: Could you do me the service of directing me to one of these people on hubpages that you mentioned as having claimed to be gods and goddesses? I would like to compare my views with theirs. I'd greatly appreciate it.
Maestrowhit;
Perhaps this will help explain the Christian position. God is perfectly holy to us. We do not joke about God for good reason. Your game about being the messiah is not funny or amusing to us. If you have a point to make to us, do not play games with God. You may think you can, but we know that you cannot. Do yourself a favor and just ask questions, not play games. We have terrific senses of humor, but God is no joke. Thank you.
viralprospector: I'm not playing a game. Have I offended you again? I'm not making a joke. And if I was playing a game (which I am not) what do think would stop me? What do you mean by "we know you cannot?" I take my beliefs very seriously. I have no need for games or trickery. Sometimes a point can only be made by demonstration- a truth that Jesus made very clear.
Sir Dent: Are these hubs a response to my request? Is that where I can find those people you spoke of?
How can you speak about what I do or don't know? Can you read my thoughts like a radio reads waves? If you can, you're tuning in to someone else, because what you say doesn't describe me at all.
Those hubs are not for you to find those who call themselves gods Maestro.Those are for VP to go and read if he wants. I do not read radio waves either.
Oh, I misunderstood then. Can you direct me to the people you mentioned? You said there were lots of them.
If you are god, as you say. you can find them yourself.
Maestrowhit:
So let me make sure I have this right. You are saying that you being the messiah is not a game? It is real?
I'm back at home now. Looks like I missed a lot.
SirDent, good one. I mean, God does know EVERYTHING, including how to use hubpages.
whit, I have had a horrible headache that woke me up this morning and nothing will ease it. Nothing! So, here's your chance to prove who you are. If you are God, make my headache go away right now!
Guess I got my answer. It's been 10 minutes and it's still as bad, if not worse.
And btw, God wouldn't call Himself Maestro. Neither would He brag about who He is. Jesus is the ultimate example of humility.
And just to be clear with you, I have not been snowed-over by any masses. We, who are saved, are a minority, in case you haven't noticed. I am not a follower of any one or any group. The only One I follow is Christ. If you have read most any of my posts or hubs, you'd know that. Well, if you were who you claim you are, you'd know this without me having to type it now wouldn't you? HHmmm......
You spelled 'through' wrong on your profile page. It is impossible for God to make a mistake. He can't.
Sir Dent: I think you were lying. You can't tell me where to find them because they aren't there.
For the rest of you: If you look at my original comment on this hub, I started my statement with "what if." Then I wrote a depiction of a hypothetical encounter. Look for yourself and see.
What I'm doing is trying to provoke a response. So far I've gotten some pretty good ones. Most of them are responses of disagreement because of preconcieved notions. One point I am trying to make is that your responses to me are the same kinds of responses that Jesus recieved. The Jews didn't believe he was the messiah because he didn't line up with thier interpretation of the scriptures. But that is only one point.
Allshookup: so is that how your relationship with God is? You demand him to give you what you want in order to prove his existence? If I were God (which in this scenario, you're behaving as though I am) I would tell you to deal with the pain; it is my gift to you and it will strengthen you in the long run.
hmmm, maybe you're trying to say that God gives you everything you ask for every time you command him to...
Thanks for the heads up about the typo.
from my depiction of Jesus: you're right, I can't make a mistake. So when I spell something one way- that's the right way. What you call mistakes, I call perfection.
He also spelled noticed wrong, (notced) So much for that statement aout being god I suppose, but what would one expect? Satan made many mistakes also after trying to put his throne above God's throne.
Come down off your throne Maestro and live in the real world with the rest of us mere humans.
I don't demand anything of Him. I'm just not buying into your game. I thought that mighta been clear by the things I said.
I'm going to call it a day. I'll check in tomorrow. Sleep well everyone.
Allshookup;
Good night. See you tomorrow.
I'm going to leave this comment and then I'll retire from this particular hub. I can see I am not liked here. There's no enjoyment in that. I guess I'm not part of the club.
Sir Dent: I looked. Yes I guess I did say I was Jesus. I meant it as a continuation of the hypothetical scenario.
Allshookup: this was never meant as a game. I took this hub as an invitation to voice my contrasting views. I didn't read all of them, but it looks like the comments were posted by about 90% Christians. And then when I take the invitation, you all get offended shut me down. I guess I really took your bait, huh? This hub seems to have been written under false pretenses.
If any of you would like to have a serious discussion with a non-believer (myself) with an agreement to be open and civil and ojective, then let me know. That's pretty much my main reason for being on hubpages- as it turns out.
The thing is, I have some valid points to make. I'm not just striking out against Christians out of angst and frustration. What I have to say is substantial. But I'm starting to see that people don't want to hear what I have to say. And I don't get anything out of just annoying people. If I had predicted this beforehand, I would have never even started withthis hub. You all think you have it all figured out. And you might say that I think the same about myself, and I admit that I probably, in some corner of my mind, do think that. But the difference is I have something new to say to you, and everything you're saying is something I've heard and tried a million times. If I could get down on my knees and beg you on this computer to tell me something about your faith that I don't already know, believe me I would. Because it's not easy being alone. And I honestly just do not get it.
I prey that perhaps one day you will get it.
If only everyone had foresight as to the potential for their eternal souls; to exist in harmony with God and the universe, to overcome the great trial which has been laid before us, to feel the great love which our creator has towards every individual to whom he has brought into the world.
I think our father must weep as he watches his beloved children being tossed to and fro by every worldly whim or doctrine which is placed before them by the cunning craftiness of men whereby they lie in wait to deceive.
Isa 38:18 For the grave cannot praise thee, death can not celebrate thee: they that go down into the pit cannot hope for thy truth.
Isa 38:19 The living, the living, he shall praise thee, as I do this day: the father to the children shall make known thy truth.
Good Morning Friends.
Maestro, no one has been hostile toward you. You started here by wanting us to imagine you were Jesus but you came back a different way that God's Word says. That would make God a liar, but in the next few comments, you stated that you are God. No hostility at all in anyone saying to prove that you are God.
One more point to make then I will let it alone for now. Jesus did not go around preaching that he is the Messiah. He never preached that He is God or the Son of God. He preached salvation. The revelation that He is the Christ, the Son of the Living God, came from the Father through the Holy Ghost to those who would believe it.
When anyone claims to be Christ, I know they are lying simply by how they claim it.
Maestrowhit;
You claim that you have revolutionary information for us. We have been waiting and responding frankly to you. If you think you should cry about us and back out of here, that is up to you. I guess you are right that you are not part of a club that you willingly quit. We welcomed you here and did nothing to chase you away except give responses to you.
Hey everybody.
Seems kind of lonely here so far today. Everyone must be out having a good time. :)
Hey SirDent;
I am doing some financial anlysis for my sister. She wants to reinvest in the market. I wouldn't exactly call that fun, lol. I am an economics major, and I have done OK in the market by missing all the major crashes for the last 30 years. I keep telling her it is just luck, but she still wants me to be involved. So, I needed to crunch some numbers today.
By the way, I like your picture better than your avatar...
I have repotted some plants. I'm back now. Yeah, it does seem kinda sparce today.
I've also been reading hubpages. Seeing people who claim to be Christian taking Scripture and twisting and turning it making it everything except what God actually said. It's sad. I think I'd rather just see someone who don't believe just outright say that, than see someone who claims to know the Bible, take it and say total lies about it. It's very misleading to people who need to hear/see the truth.
I like the sunny day smiley best myself, but I switch around quite often. I hope your sister does really well VP. Turhtfully, this is a bad time to invest in most markets.
I know what you mean ASU. It seems many who are not believers are jumping on the bandwagon of those who preach such nonsense.
How is that possible if they are truely have Christ in their hearts? Some call us outright liars. And they tell people who are not saved that bad things are not gonna hapepen to them because God wouldn't let that happen. If that lie gives them comfort, why be saved if nothing bad is gonna happen anyway? Ugh!
Allshookup;
Hubpages is not a very Christian-friendly place. Not only is the Word twisted, but also Christians are grouped together as the force of evil by so many.
Take heart, though, that your and Onusonus' presence has improved things dramatically.
I remember when I first arrived, I think SirDent was about the only Christian that I could find. They were ganging up on him 10:1. I was shocked. He has really endured and fought the good fight.
I think we all make a pretty good team. I notice all the time how there is so often someone there to pick up the battle and glorify God. It is hard to take on ten at once. I think we are all pretty determined to represent things accurately, and sometimes you have to just wing it off the top of your head when too many attack at once.
I agree that it should not be a fight, but it has been ever since I got here. Hopefully, things will continue to improve and more warriors for Him will join up.
Some are merely weak also ASU. We just have to use as much wisdom as possible when dealing with them.
If God be for us who can be against us?
Ye are of God little children and have overcome them. Greater is He that is in you than he that is in the world.
It is not a fight of flesh and blood, but of principalities and powers. Against spiritual wickedness in high places.
Glory to God I just love His Holy Word. \o/
SirDent;
I seem to be finding that the worst has gotten on the table now. The major fundamental that changed was of course the subprime lending crash to mortgages that took housing down. We knew about that fully a year ago, and the market still topped after that was known. Americans buy stocks on momentum primarily.
The $700B will allow the govt to work some temporary magic. The resultant national debt seems invisible to Americans, so I tink they will want to buy again. They will see the gains that are possible. After all, the stock market is just the fundamental economic product. Supply and demand at its most basic is the stock market.
I have said for three years that we were in for it. I think we have gotten a lot of it, though.
The major problem that will go unaddressed is the huge inequity for the poor. We no longer manufacture anything here. That is how we got out of all prior downturns in the economy. We may not see 14,000 on the Dow for a while, but I think we will see 11,000. That would be a 30% gain. 14,000 would be a 65% gain, and we were there recently. I put in 1/3 of my retirement in mutual funds again yesterday. I still have 2/3 to dollar cost average if it goes down, and I will invest at lest half that, too, if so.
Gas is far more manageable now, so there is no reason why consumption will not rebound quite soon. I do agree fully that the American economic fundamentals are rotten. It is nothing that Ron Paul could not fix quick, but I see the final day of reckoning down the road at least four years. I can't see a better time to jump in with both feet than now.
I need a lot of money in a few years, as I have a sophomore and freshman in HS. Hopefully, they will head to college. So I will hold out money for them.
I can easily be proven wrong, as I have no crystal ball, but I like the Dow a lot more at 8500 than 14,000. It is funny that so many don't. What do you think of all those ramblings?
When people realize they are wrong or fear comes upon them they tend to ramble on and on It is human nature after all.
Be not afraid of sudden fear.
Good Morning Friends. Got a new laptop yesterday and having trouble figuring out how to use it proficiently.
Allshookup;
I imagine you are still celebrating Jeff Burton's victory. What can I say? I guess he showed them he is not to be forgotten, huh? I did not hear one person calling him a contender last night, much less for the cup. I think he is in second place now. The other Jeff ran real well, too, but just had a strange race, hitting the wall twice I think.
I guess what goes around came around for Karl. It looked like he lost it with Harvick this week. He had a horrible race.
JJ won't be beaten easily. He was upset at his car, and he finished what, third?
Mornin everybody.
VP, yes, brother won and guess who had him picked on her fantasy team to win? ME! And I still don't think that whole thing with Carl and Kevin is over. They were taken to the big white truck before the race to have a 'talk' with officials. But Carl had problems all night. My son kept saying that Kevin had done something to his car lol. Carl caused the big one at Dega last weekend, which he admitted himeself, that he was too impatient. And Kevin wont soon forget it. JJ drove smart last night. He knows how to win a championship. Kyle came up on him and he just moved over and let him pass without trying to race him. So, I figured he was playing it safe since his car wans't wonderful. He's sitting pretty right now. Kevin struggled all night too. I think pretty much all the C list drivers were having problems at some point. Brother has been overlooked I think, but he shouldn't have been. He's a great driver. Gordon is not his usual Gordonisk self this season. Not sure what's up with that. I felt bad for Jr because he was telling the crew what was going on with his car and was pitting the next time by, then blew a tire and went into the wall. Matt hit the wall hard too. There weren't many left on the lead lap.
Allshookup;
Congratulations on the "double victory" for Jeff Burton. I was thrilled, since he is such a good guy. Frankly, I would love to see him sneak in there and win it all. You are right that he can get the most out of his cars, and that is why he is where he is.
I hate to see the kind of stuff between Carl and Harvick, but this is a big time sport. Fights have been there all along in NASCAR. Burton's calm demeanor may send a message.
I read that Gordon said his car is awesome in the lead and bad in traffic. Since he is never in the lead, that may be the answer. Maybe they will figure out how to make it run better in traffic, since that is ineveitably where they are all most of the time. It seemed that he had a great car, when after tagging the wall, he finished high.
Yep. Gordon always seems to rise to the top. Brother could win it all. That would be nice. Kevin doesn't tend to let things go easily. But, we'll see. I feel like they will keep an eye on those 2 for the remainder of the season, at least. But like you said, there have always been rivalries in NASCAR and that makes it exciting.
What about Martin running full-time again next year? He's been my driver since 1992, but honestly, even I'm a bit annoyed at his "return"...since he never really left. Good guy and very classy driver, just sort of wished he'd remain retired.
He's moving to Hendrick Motor Sports next season. He'll drive 2 seasons full-time then retire. At least that's as far as I have heard. I love Mark. He has a good chance at HMS to stop being the bride's maid and actually be the bride. I'm happy for him. He's a good guy.
Yeah, he's actually signed on for one full season, then he'll go part time once more for a season after. He's got a shot at the title with HMS. I always have thought he was a better driver in skill than both Junior and Johnson, Gordon being the one driver in the field that could really trump him overall. As he's gotten older he's lost some of the winning magic, but he is one of about 5 drivers that is good at every track he races at. That works phenomenally in today's NASCAR full of young inconsistent drivers.
We were talking about rivalries. The one between Gordon fans and Sr fans still goes on today. I know people who actually HATE Gordon because they like Sr.
Agreed. I never liked either, both sere not the type of driver I wanted to see emulated on the track. Gordon's matured a bit, Earnhardt was just a hick with 4 wheels and a very agressive style. It was popular up until 1996ish, but now it seems Martin's influence on the sport was so deep that the backwoods/moonshiner approach is being lost.
Martin ironically was good friends with Earnhardt, which is odd because Martin and Gordon are very, very similar.
TK;
It is wonderful to see you here today with some NASCAR talk. Thank you.
I agree that Mark Martin is pure class. I used to root for him, and I am sure I will again. As allshookup said, him and HMS will be exciting. I hope he still has it. He was terrific before.
I do think that JJ is a phenomenal driver on a phenomenal team. Even when Knaus was suspended, he was winning. He is sort of under the radar actually, like many of the greats that we have been discussing, i.e. Martin, Burton. He sort of slipped in behind Gordon, and next thing we knew, he can't be beat. I still have him as favorite to repeat for the cup. I don't root against him, but I prefer the Jeffs.
TK;
Now you can get into us about religion, but be careful about Sr. lol. Hey, I do think many believe he will be the second coming, lol again. He was the most popular driver ever, well maybe the King...
The old black #3 trash and trinkets may still the the #1 sellers. I bet they are up there. In their day, they made the trash and trinkets market for NASCAR. I knew him and loved him. He was truly unique. He was bad behind the wheel, using bad in the good sense if you know what I mean.
Isn't it great that NASCAR is filled with such colroful and wonderful drivers?
Allshookup, you once said how important those Sunday services before the race are. I think that really summarizes this sport. We in Him love this sport, and His grace and mercy seem to shine through all the teams and drivers.
Allshookup;
Thanks for bringing in Sr to the discussion. No NASCAR discussion is complete without him and the King. Who are you taking to win the cup this year?
Right now it's hard to say. JJ looks like he has it under control by being conservative. He knows how to win.
I'd rather see Jr win and get that monkey off his back or see Brother win cause I love him.
There were 2 trailers selling Sr stuff at the race. Some of the current drivers don't have 2! LOL That speaks a lot about his popularity. There are more #3 bumperstickers in my county that the rest of the drivers combined.
Ok, I'm excited. I just heard from my cousin who just moved to the UK! It was so good to hear from her! She's kinda homesick but doing great. They are learning a lot. She said that she thought they had made it good by not having to go to language school. But, she was wrong. Even though they use words we do, it means totally different things. She said that she put her foot in her mouth here, but over there, she puts her whole leg down her throat. She said it's taking a while for her to adjust to the language difference. Her 6 year old is catching on quicker than her and her husband. Shes my age and her husband's older. She said that people over there are very thursty to hear about Jesus. Some of them have never even heard His name. That is still so strange for her, growing up here. They went from a 3500 sq ft house to a 900 sq ft one. That's kinda a change too. Everything she carried to use, the electric plugs don't work. There is a right rate of muslims there. She said they have a part of the city they call little Pakistan. And in there, the signs are in arabic. That's on into the city. She said people there think the word Christian means political party. Which is ironic because I think some people who run for office here use it as a tool to be elected. Her husband left a great job here working for a senator to do mission work. She taught at the Junior College here in town. Thankfully, she had always homeschooled their daughter, so she won't have to make that adjustment. They have never had a Christmas program at the church, so this year she is organizing one. She's very excited about that. She and her husband are the only ones in the church who sing. So, she said that they end up singing for the church every time there are services. But, the most exciting thing is that people are coming to know Christ. She said that's the one thing that keeps her homesickness at bay. Is seeing people be saved. I miss her being here, but I'm glad they are making such a difference for Him. Anyway, I am very excited and wanted to share that with all of you.
I can't believe anyone would call Martin a great driver. :P
Well, I'm up later than usual. I'm goin to bed. I'm tired. I hope all of you have a great night. I'm going to watch FOX News and see Huckabee's new show in bed and go to sleep. I'll check in tomorrow. Thanks for the good day! Blessings!
Good Morning my Friends! :D
This is a day the Lord has made, I will rejoice and be glad in it.
I am getting more used to this new computer, but don't have Bible software on it yet.
SirDent;
While you wait for your favorite Bible software to load, you probably know to try bible.org. They do a terrific job.
I am wondering what type of thinking you all use to engage religious trouble makers. I do not want to name names, and if anyone thinks this applies to them, just ask. I am not afraid to share my opinions, but I do not mean harm here. I know that this is not an exact formula, and it certainly varies with the discussion.
Let's say, though, that you reply to someone, they ignore your comments, change the subject and answer. You try to get back on topic with reminders of the original topic, reply to the new issues and get another similar reply. The way I see it, if Goid is attacked I do stay longer and more intensely than if they are just attacking me.
I admit that I hate to see someone just go off thinking they won if they just bored me and chased me off. I fear that they will just cement their rebelliousness to God, when I could eliminate that with more dialogue. I just can't afford to invest the time when experience shows me that that type of discussion leads absolutely nowhere.
I have found it so time consuming to really win these debates. I no longer fear that someone will read and think that disobedience to Him is wise based on foolish discussion. I think most of the discussions I abandon are just foolishness, and I cannot see how anyone could think the other side is wisdom.
Honestly, the non Christians that I respect seem to get our side just fine. Those non Christians enjoy finding out how we think, and they participate with wonderful insight. That is what most other website religion forums are filled with, for example. It keeps me on my toes, and it does the same for them, I think.
How do you all look at it?
Mornin y'all. I got that email last week. I found it interesting. I didn't look into it very much because I was busy. I did find it odd that the men who made such a mess for the whole US, thus effecting most of the world, have found employment with Obama.
So, how is everyone today? It's a great temperature here. Soon as school is over, we are going to go outside and enjoy it. Saturday night we are having a hayride at chruch. Our son is very exicted about this. Mostly because he gets to make smores lol.
About dealing with those who don't want to talk to us about issues, some are easier to talk to than others. There's one female on the forum that talks around the world saying things then directly contradicts herself. If she's shown what she's doing, she just says things like....whatever....I don't care...and from what I have read from her, she don't really have any idea what she believes, yet she writes hubs about it. Very strange since everything she says she comes back and says the opposite. She has even said that God said we are to love Satan. Very messed up thinking. So, I don't deal with her much because there's never a real comment about about the issue. It's all about Christians hate people and want to kill you. Stuff like that. Others seem to feel they are much more educated and can ration God away since you can't walk up and shake His handat this point in time. The thing is, we who are saved will be able to do just that! Sometimes, it seems education is a bad thing if it makes you think and feel that way. They can keep you in a discussion for days and days if you let them, getting no where because they bring things into the conversation that has nothing to do with the topic of the converstaion. Things that have nothing to do with us much nowdays at all. They bring up things that try to get you offtrack because they don't want to deal directly with you. I started out trying to show them Bible verses and things like that. But, those types just want to talk about things that has nothing to do with what you talk about. And I don't see it going anywhere. So, I have backed off of trying much with them. Then you have those who have a degree in Theology which means they know everything and Christianity is manmade and not needed. Since they have a degree on the wall, then they already know everything and don't need to hear from us. That's how they come across to me. Since I don't have the same degree they do, then they discredit me as knowing nothing about anything. They bring up Scripture that they use to say things like "Thou shalt not kill" so, Christians should be against wars and should be against the death penalty because God said not to kill anyone. They take verses and use them to accomplish what they feel they want at the time, when in reality, those vereses have nothing whatsoever to do with what is being talked about. Another one is "Turn the other cheek", they say that means forgive everyone everything and love and accept everything. That real Christians accept everyone and love everything and that God loves everyone and would never send anyone to Hell. How do they get that from those verses? There's many here who don't want to find happiness in Christ. Why? I have no idea really. I think it's sad to see people who have the ablity to know Him, yet outright choose not to. I hope that something one day will hit home with them. That's my hope at least. I still try and talk to them letting them know God is there waiting. Only to be called patronizing. I still try at times, but I don't push it like I once did. If I feel it in my heart, I respond. If I don't feel it in my heart to, I don't. I guess that's the easiesy way to sum up what I do. Like I responded one time to a forum about them talking about Masons because my grandfather was one and I have been asked many times to join. But, I don't stay on the forums much. On some of the hubs, I have been trying to help people see things, but mostly that has been vain I feel. If you don't agree with them, they trash you and so does their followers. I'm sure you know that some have followers and take whatever they say as gospel, never questioning it. Well, if someone does question or point out a different point of view, they all attack. Certain people will only conmment on certains people's hubs. If you invade that space, don't expect to be welcomed. Or even treated close to being nice on some. Expect an attack. But, keep in mind that Christ was attacked often. So, to me, that only means you're doing your job. If you were welcomed and made feel at home by those who don't love Christ, then I'm not sure you'd be doing your job.
Allshookup;
That is a terrific summary of the situation here.
I particularly find your close important. Jesus promised His disciples that they would be persecuted for saying His name. The theology of this situation is actually a little different from what I feel the holy spirit compelling me. I tend to think that is is OK to state my honest opinion, not filtered. Yet, I think the Bible does not really endorse me to do that, per se. I use my instincts maybe a little more than I should in that regard, but I really do think it is driven by the holy spirit. Don't get me wrong. I never do what is contrary to the Bible, unless I just unknowingly mess up.
As to your comments about having a degree. I cannot see any way that any degree, including an advanced degree, could possibly infer the wisdom that your circumstances have bestowed on you.
I have several honors and degrees. They aren't really worth as much as we lead on, if we have them. Don't let that deter you for a second. Rather, I know that you do not let that deter you for a second. I hereby grant you Dr of Commonsense and Compassion. You have earned it.
Aww, that's sweet of you VP. Although sometimes I feel about as smart as a 5 pound sack of stupid. Stupid because I think they will actually listen to me. Because I know with all of me that what I tell them is true about Christ. And it's not true because I am the one that says it or because I believe it, but because HE said it. But, in my heart I know that when we share His Word, it will not return to Him void. So, that is my hope. That somehow, if I could just plant 1 tiny seed on here, I would be tremendously happy. Thanks for being so sweet to me.
Which is more stupid? 5 pounds of stupid or 10 pounds? I think one is as stupid as the other but the 10 pounds is also twice as stupid.
VP when I converse with others believer and non believers and the change the subject I try to get them back on track also, bu I do not force the issue. To me it isn't a matter of winning or losing an debate. It is simply a matter of speaking the truth.
We are called to preach the Word of the Gospel of Christ. That is what we should do and as far as thinking goes, I think we should stop thinking and just follow the Holy Ghost in His leading.
Sorry, double post!
LOL SirDent, you make me laugh. Guess my Mississippi is showing huh? We have some strange sayings I guess. Maybe I should think about that before I post something. LOL
I agree with you on the thinking part. That's why I have backed off on the forums. I try to stay prayerful. And although I see a spiritual issue, I don't always feel in my heart I should post. So, I don't. I try to wait and see if that's what I should do. Keeping in mind I'm human and do mess up, but I try to not fight, but to just state. I don't care for the fighting. I want to be led by His Spirit in whatever I do. As I know all of us here do. It's good to have y'all as friends :)
SirDent, I posted on there too and mine is also gone. Hmmm. I didn't know you could take the comment capsule away. Why do that? Did you see my comment on there?
I didn't see your comment there ASU. I commented on another of her hubs and after just checking it, there is no comment capsule there anymore either.
I guess she don't want to know what people think. But, is that gonna garner many readers?
I became her fan after I posted the first comment on the fudamentalist hub. Now I wonder what's the point. My opinion is she doesn't like being under conviction. There is more conviction coming her way now for sure.
I hope you're right. It's good to know the Holy Spirit is moving. Did she approve your fan mail?
People can be God fearing Christians without being fundamentalists. Many of us Christians want nothing to do with that term and avoid that term like the plague. I think maybe you are being too hard on Laurie and some of her insights on that hub were great sirdent.
She approved my fanmail ASU. After my comments were deleted, I left her fan club.
Sweetie, good points or not, she had no reason to delete my comments. They weren't attacking comments. Fundamentalism has become such a bad word because atheists and others used it for so long to denigrate christians. I am a fundamentalist Christian. I actually believe the Bible to be God's Word. Of course you knew that already.
How have you been Sweetie?
I think I'm gonna call it a day. I hope all of you have a great night. Also, I wanted to tell you that the doctor's office called just a little bit ago. I'm going to have my surgery next Thursday, the 23rd. I told y'all I'd let you know when I heard. So, now we have a date. I'll try to be in sometime tomorrow evening. Take care everyone!
I wil continue praying for you ASU. With His stripes, we ARE healed.
Sweetie Pie;
As SirDent said, fundamentalist is a twisted term by the enemy. In it's root, it is about the fundamentals. Of course, I totally agree with the fundamentals of Christianity. Therefore, like SirDent, I am a proud fundamentalist. It is sad that you are not or that any Christian would not be committed to the fundamentals of Christianity.
This is where I disagree with you completely. In the Bible is says we should not purposely create divisions, and saying you are a fundamentalist Christian separates you from other Christians. I admire Catholics, Orthodox, Protestants, and all those who believe in the salvation of Christ. By the way, God does not like you judging me as it says in the Bible it is not your place to judge, only Jesus can do that my friend. I am saved by Jesus and any who believes in him is also saved. No where is there a verse in the Bible that say "You must be a fundamentalist Christian." This term has not be abused by atheists, it is fundamentalist Christians, fundamentalist Muslims, and fundamentalists Jews and other faiths that act in the extreme and turn others off. Try judging people less and living more by the book.
To live by the fundamentals of the book, one must become fundamental in their beliefs. To accept everything that is not of God is to accept the works of the enemy. To say God is not in division, means God didn't say to separate yourselves from the world.
Sweetie, you didn't answer my question. How are you doing these days?
Sirdent you are wrong. Yes I will tell you why, it says in the Bible:
Passage 1 Corinthians 1:10:
Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that you be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment.
Pretending one denomination or man made doctrine of Christianity is better than another is a division. You play with words sirdent, but this word play is at a loss because in the Bible is says belief in Christ entails:
Passage John 3:16:
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believe in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
I will no longer try to argue with the gentlemens' club where two men against one women think they know all. Really sirdent I am doing just fine, but I came to realize some of your comments are judgemental towards others. I hate to say that because you are my friend, but I tell you for you own good. It says in the Bible you should not judge, so as a Christian I encourage you to judge less.
It also says in the Bible to judge all things.
“Do not judge, or you too will be judged” (Matthew 7:1)
Live your life according to Christian principles, but strive not to judge as each of us will be judged by the same criteria. Anyway there is no point of arguing with you as I noticed you only comment on hubs where people agree with you. The minute I stopped agreeing with you you stopped commenting on mine. Oh well, it does not hurt my feelings or anything, but it is a little judgemental for sure.
Sweetie Pie;
Oh well, gee, I guess I need to check in with Queen sweetie pie on what I call myself from here on. Why, she judges that we are judging and divides us to make us cause division... Gee, that is hard to understand, but the fundamentalist I am, why I must be missing something.
You say, "This is where I disagree with you completely."
I can hardly believe it... Why sweetie pie, you are usually so agreeable. As I recall, the last time you commented on this hub, you said the same nice things about me, then stormed off in a hissy fit saying you would never comment on my hub again. Why you just can't imagine how excited I am to have you back. Yep, I just love to be told that you disagree with me completely. No, not just a little disagreement or a lot of disagreement or almost all disagreement. No way, totally disagree, and I am just really excited to hear that.
You go on to say, "In the Bible is says we should not purposely create divisions, and saying you are a fundamentalist Christian separates you from other Christians."
Ok, let me get this straight. You divide from me by telling me that I create divisions. Now that is some trick, sweetie pie. I guess if you divide from me, I am then divided? Whew, that is some of that there circular logic. Is that like a dog chasing its tail?
"I admire Catholics, Orthodox, Protestants, and all those who believe in the salvation of Christ. By the way, God does not like you judging me as it says in the Bible it is not your place to judge, only Jesus can do that my friend."
I am so glad that you admire those folks. I bet they are expecially glad. Yep, you are one of those folks that really makes people glad, huh?
Here comes some more of that there circular logic, I think. You judge me that I am judging you. You say that being a fundamentalist is creating divisions in the body, but I am judging. Gee, I am sure you are not really judging me? Huh? Now is that like being off our rocker or something?
"I am saved by Jesus and any who believes in him is also saved."
Hmm, why did you need to express that? Did you think your comments might make everyone wonder or something? No one asked, you know.
"No where is there a verse in the Bible that say "You must be a fundamentalist Christian."
Darn, I sure though that was in the book of bubba.
"This term has not be abused by atheists, it is fundamentalist Christians, fundamentalist Muslims, and fundamentalists Jews and other faiths that act in the extreme and turn others off."
I guess saying that you completely disagree with someone and they are judgemental and dividing is a big turn on for most fundamentalists.
Oh, but it is me judging. Yep, I am acting in the extreme and turning others off. Now that is not judging, though, huh? Nope, I am judging because well just because, right? Since you judge me, then you can accuse me of judging. I like that chasing of the tail. It always did amuse me. I must admit that it would make me dizzy, so I admire it in others that they can still walk after doing it.
"Try judging people less and living more by the book."
Now what book is that you are reading there, sweetie pie? Is that the book of Darrell and his other brother Daryl? Nope that is not judging to tell me to live by the book. Well, I guess you are over there knowing that I don't live by the book enough, now and not judging, though.
Well, hey, I need to get back to acting extreme and turning others off. That is not as easy as a lot of people think. It's mostly done by being judged that you are judging. And dividing by being divided. Well, no one ever said it was going to be easy to be a fundamentalist.
Yep, sweetie pie, it was sweetie pie wasn't it? No one asked you know.
Sweetie Pie:
"“Do not judge, or you too will be judged” (Matthew 7:1)
Live your life according to Christian principles, but strive not to judge as each of us will be judged by the same criteria. Anyway there is no point of arguing with you as I noticed you only comment on hubs where people agree with you. The minute I stopped agreeing with you you stopped commenting on mine. Oh well, it does not hurt my feelings or anything, but it is a little judgemental for sure."
Judge, judge, judge. Gee, is that all you can talk about, by the way? Who are you talking to anyway?
I have never thrown a hissy fit, but if you want to go down that road I could say you are doing the same thing. I guess I finally decided to speak up as this hub is very condescending. No I do not judge you, but I do see you are judging me. Stop being so rude please. I am an intelligent well thought out woman, and your speaking down to me gets no where.
Please, please don't contend with each-other but only with the adversary, the true adversary who is the church of the godless and the father of lies. agree to disagree, truce, peace, time out, agree quickly.
Those of us who refer to ourselves as Christians be gentle towards one another and refrain from disputes over those small differences which you have.
I agree with Onusonus. SweetiePie? I stopped commenting on your hubs because what you have been writing is of no interest to me at all. And your latest one about single dating, wouldn't look good for me if I commented on it now would it?
Sometimes we got to stop taking things so seriously. if I judge, then I judge. Show me where I err so I can correct my ways. By the way, I am back on my old computer at the moment.
2Ti 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 2Ti 3:17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
Judgement, something we cannot avoid. Poor Viral, you can't catch a break can you? A lot of that seems to be my fault.
Sweetiepie, not to gang up on you here, but judgment is a necessity of life. Humanity requires it for justice, fairness, and for sceptics like me, assurity. I judge the character of my friends because I want to know if they are really the right people to hang around. I judge people's character who write because I want to know if what they say is viable.
Truth is we're all sinners.While there are times where some need to speak up when something bothers them, for me that's crossing religion into politics to the extent that we worship the politician (my hub Viral hates speaks against that :) ).
Viral, for clarification because I'm just off work and very tired and I'm not sure how well I wrote that ast comment on my hub, my problem with modern christianity is both left and right. There's the overly passive side, where we're so lazy we do nothing, then there's the side I come from, where we beat the gospel into people til they bleed from overexposure. I wrote that last hub (if you somehow missed the 24 some-odd comment chain between me and allshookup) addressed to my old church and shurches of similar nature. It so happens those churches are the majority in fundamental-evangelical America, so in any case using the phrase "most Christians" applies because it is indeed a majority rule.
TK;
Thanks for the explanation. I do not expect anything beyond laying all the cards on the table, and I appreciate your efforts to do that. You deserve no blame whatsoever in any way. As to the comments from others getting after me, that does not bother me one bit. I credit the source.
However, I am certain that we are far more on the same page than we seem to be able to convey with the written words so far. I am concerned that our differences become ammunition for the enemy, though, so I want to achieve accord with you. I know that you are my brother in Him, despite discord in the words chosen on rare occasion. I certainly freely admit that much fault lies with my being tired when I write, too.
We will get it right, I am sure. Thanks a lot for thinking enough of the situation to come over and offer peace. I gladly accept your kind words of support.
Hi everybody. I'm back on for a little bit. Yesterday was very long and I didn't get to come on. Looks like I've missed some stuff. Hope all of you are well.
No problem VP. I wrote another hub sort of laying out why I wrote the first one in the first place. It doesn't do exactly what I want it to, but it pinpoints why I've chosen the words I have....I define it more politically than anything. If I was writing to my old church, the hub you had issues with would ahve been the address. If I was writing to you, or other christians with whom i'm familiar, I'd have written the one called "Stereotyping" , which should be published now...
I see the topic of judging has come up again. The Bible says a tree is known by it's fruit. Telling us that we can see what a person really is by what he does. I think God gives common sense to be able to do that. A good example is Hitler. He claimed Christianity. He even quoted Scripture in his speeches. But, how many people say he is a Christian? Do any of you think he is a Christian? And if your answer is no, then why do you not feel he was a Christian?
It's not because you are judging him. It's beccause you see the fruits of his life and they point to anything BUT a Christian life. Right? I look at the fruits of the people around me and I don't hang out with drug dealers. Why? Because I judge them? No. Because I have the common sense to see what they do and I want no part of that. People use that verse about 'Judge not.....'But, most of the time when you see that verse, they are using it for their purpose. God gives us sense to see what people do/say. That is not judging, that's having open eyes and using the brain God gave us.
Would you let your child spend the night with a person who practices things you believe with all your heart is wrong? No. Why? Not because you are judging, but because you know right from wrong and you'd never put your child in danger. I've seen that verse used on here so much, but only when trying to attack Christians for pointing out what is wrong. They don't say they are wrong, just that Christians are wrong if they point out something that God speaks against.
Another much-used verse on hubpages is 'Turn the other cheek......' I've come to realize that a lot of people don't realize what that verse is pertaining to. This is used, like the other one, for their purpose. To condemn Christians for pointing out anything God said. And to tell us we are to accept everything no matter what because the Bible says 'Turn the other cheek' But, before using verses, it would be nice if the persons using them would read and research and know what they meant before trying to use them as a weapon against Christians. They were not meant for that purpose. When they use them to futher their own agendas, it only shows they don't have any idea why the verses are in the Bible.
From my experience on here, you get attacked if you stand for anything the Bible says. But, this is not a new thing. It's been happening since the beginning of time. Is it right? No. Is it real? Yes. I've found most people on here want a 'belief' that let's them float through life with no responsiblity or consequences. They want to be able to believe they can do what they want and come out good in the end. That is not possible. And I feel like deep down they know this, but don't want to accept it because they enjoy the 'live and let live' lifestyle.
I wish people who are saved could ban together and be supportive of each other. Sadly, I've seen hubs on here by people who call themselves Christians trashing things other Christians say and sometimes even say parts of the Bible are not true. I don't feel it's judging if a person outright says that things in the Bible are not true. That's a person's fruit. If you call God a liar, you don't have a chance at being a Christian. Again, that's not judging, that's just seeing what they do/say. Anyway, I wish there would be less arguing between people who are saved and more unity. The saved are attacked enough by the world, let alone being attacked by people of their own belief.
Allshookup;
That is such a true assessment of things. However, you found the right words to describe the trickery of the enemy in our midst.
I am always amazed how people do not see how hard it is to be a Christian, too. A lot of things we deal with take wisdom in addition to just reading the Bible cliff notes. I also agree that the Holy Spirit in true believers gives us wisdom to know the truth, even when it is disguised. However, it is amusing to me that people feel we are boring and our lives are bland. I always invite them to try it for a while. Boring it is not.
Are you doing OK? I missed you and your unique wonderful perspective of things as they are.
VP, I'm doing ok. Nice to be missed. The doctors are getting me ready for my thing next week. Since I'm on a high dosage blood thinner, they are trying to get my blood thicker than they normally keep it, but not too thick to where the clot will grow. They are kinda walking a thin line during this with my blood. It's taking more time to get me where I need to be. Tomorrow I have another appointment. And then I have one next Tuesday and then Thursday will be the day it's done. Then, hopeully life will get back to normal. That'll be why I'm away from home for the next week. It's still thinner than they'd like. But, I don't think it's a big deal at all. I'm sure by next Tuesday I'll have better numbers and be ready for the surgery.
My dog is trying to get into my purse LOL. She's funny. Maybe she wants to go with me.bShe knows we are about to leave. Our neighbor isn't feeling well still, so my son and I are going to help her in the house and yard. It's a great day here to be outside. I'm not sure if I'll be back on today. If we don't go help her this week, I don't know when we'll get to because the doctor told me I'll need to take it easy a while after next Thursday. Maybe we should take the dog LOL. Our neighbor loves her.
We are going to go now. I'll check back in when I get a chance. Like I said, during the next week or so I'll probably be scarce around here. But, things will settle after next week. Have a good night and y'all take care!!!
Blessings to all of you!!! Thanks for everything!
Allshookup;
We will be bombarding you and yours with prayer until we see you again.
May the road rise up to meet you.May the wind be always at your back.May the sun shine warm upon your face;the rains fall soft upon your fields and until we meet again,may God hold you in the palm of His hand.
traditional gaelic blessing
It may not be the most appropriate comment for the circumstances. However, our beautiful Baptist church used to sing it when we were sending off our best and finest, i.e. missionaries, soldiers, etc. So, it is the one I picked to let you know how special you are here.
You will be missed whenever you are gone, and we will be glad at your return after your successful surgery. We look forward to whatever time you are here in the meantime. God Bless You!!!!
SirDent;
I appreciate your keeping us up to date with your new hubs. I just read it, and everyone needs to check it out. It is great.
Allshookup;
I pray that all is well, and you continue to be in our prayers. It got quiet around here when you went "on vacation". We look forward to your return, and we trust that the surgery will be successful totally.
Onusonus;
If you are still out there, I just wanted to say "hi" and wish you all the best. I know I haven't stirred up much lasting controversy lately to get everyone going - lol. I am confident that I can get something going, though, huh?
I hope that all is well there.
Luk 23:34 Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do. And they parted his raiment, and cast lots.
What is most amazing to me is that even as they divided up His clothes, Jesus still asked for forgiveness for them.
Glory to God forevermore \o/
VP, I've been fairly busy with the family, and filling in for the boss at work gets a little stressful.
Tell me, what do you believe about Gifts of the spirit?
SirDent;
I have reflected on that verse under my greatest adversity, and it brought some surprisingly good actions on my part. I have found that bad times tend to bring out the best or the worst in people. That is certainly a scripture that should help bring out the best in us. Thanks for sharing it.
Onusonus;
I will pray that your schedule will calm down, so you can enjoy all things. Work can easily get out of balance for me, and no matter how hard I try, I cannot really figure out how to maintain it in perspective. Still, it is great that you are fulfilling your responsibilities to work and family.
Let me answer your question on spiritual gifts off the top of my head. Then, we can all chime in with our individual views. I would love to hear your opinions, and those of all, since I feel you have a lot of pewer in this area.
I was visiting with a brother yesterday about the Holy Spirit in us. I think this is the most misunderstood aspect of God, since it is different for each of us. First, as we know, Jesus, God and the Holy Spirit are all God in one.
I think that each is an important aspect of God to help us. God, as SirDent captured so well in his most recent hub, is indescribable. As the omnipotent creator of all, God is revered. He showed Himself to us in the flesh, and important lessons were imparted how to lead our lives.
I think that God interacts with us personally and uniquely through the Holy Spirit individually. It is so awesome and humbling to find God here with me almost constantly. The only reason I do not find that constantly is because I blind myself to Him. Thus, sin occurs.
I have had prophets tell me my spiritual gifting. I wanted to say, "just one?" Most recently, you will probably laugh to hear that my spiritual gift is allegedly encourager. I laugh anyway when I see the crazy assessments that people label me with just on hubpages. I say this because I want all the giftings, not for me at all, but for Him.
That prophet did much harm to people who I do not think even have a relationship with the Holy Spirit. He told people they have a gift, and they just hang onto that one thing. Frankly, they seem to be wasting their lives as a result.
I have spent a lot of time in charismatic churches that are over the top in my view. I worship Him powerfully, but tongues and laying hands on are not ceremonial or commonplace. I have seen that fake and syrupy. It seems to me that spiritual gifts are a private matter with the Holy Spirit. Certainly, they are revealed for all to see after being honed between man and God.
I think the Holy Spirit is our constant companion. Still, the Holy Spirit is God. That makes our constant companion the most holy and revered of all. It is that which gives us righteous power in daily life. I do not look down on the Holy Spirit in anyone, even though I am often left wondering how it can be so different in others. I admit freely that I even inadvertently question the validity often. It is certainly a unique relationship formed over the life of God in us. So, I find joy in the differences of how it is revealed and worked.
I think this is a constantly changing area of our relationship to Him. I want to see it growing. This is the part of God that atheists and agnostics do not know about. I wish they could. I do not think you can just go out and get a dose of the Holy Spirit. This is not vending machine Chrsitianity, and only God Himself can impart this wonderful presence. If non believers felt this as we do, then they would know God, I am convinced. That is why I am on hubpages is to try to impart this part of Christianity that is rarely presented as the most important part of life. The Holy Spirit is about works, which must by necessity come after faith. Still, God likes to bring the Holy Spirit out as soon as He can since it is such a miraculous part of our walk with Him.
That is a wonderful question, Onusonus, and that is my quick answer. I am looking forward to hearing from everyone how the Holy Spiritual gifts are seen.
VP, this is an excelent interpertation, aside from the surface manifestations such as the gift of tongues, interpertating of tongues, healing, prophecy, and visions, there is a more important aspect which is the power to speak by the spirit. It caries the conviction of truth to the heart of the hearer. I believe it is the baptism of fire that manifests itself to the faithful and guides the children of God to knowledge of the truth.
Such was evident in the times of Jesus when Peter so elequently stated "Thou art the Christ, the son of the living God." and afterward when he was resurected and the apostles preached to the world by the power of the spirit, 1 Corinthians 12;3 Wherefore I give you understanding, that no man speaking by the spirit of God calls Jesus accursed; and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the holy ghost."
evenin everybody.
I once herd a young man ask his father if the Holy Ghost could give him a perfect knowledge that Jesus is the Christ; the dad answered astoundingly in my oppinion by saying, "Junior, that's the only way that you can learn that Jesus is the Christ."
Evening everybody. Hope all of you are well and having a great day. Tonight is our hay ride so my son's excited and ready to go NOW. It's supposed to be in the 40s so it's the right weather for one. We're going to have a bonfire and roast hotdogs and marshmellows. It should be a fun time for them. I'll be on for a little while until it's time to get ready to go.
Ok, time to go to the hayride and bonfire. Hope y'all have a great night. Blessings to all of you!!!!!!!! :)
Allshookup;
A hayride... sounds like a fun night. I guess a cold spell is good fo something, huh? As you can see, I am a southerner in my rejection of cold weather. I grew up in the north and lived most of my life there. No thanks...
My family tries to get me to move back there, but I try to get them to move here, too.
Have a great night.
Isa 43:5 Fear not: for I am with thee: I will bring thy seed from the east, and gather thee from the west;
Isa 43:6 I will say to the north, Give up; and to the south, Keep not back: bring my sons from far, and my daughters from the ends of the earth;
Isa 43:7 Even every one that is called by my name: for I have created him for my glory, I have formed him; yea, I have made him.
Isa 43:8 Bring forth the blind people that have eyes, and the deaf that have ears.
Isa 43:9 Let all the nations be gathered together, and let the people be assembled: who among them can declare this, and shew us former things? let them bring forth their witnesses, that they may be justified: or let them hear, and say, It is truth.
Glory to God this morning!!! \o/
Evenin everybody. We just got home from church. We had a Gideon speak today. It was a good service. It's really something how you help plant a seed for Christ isn't it? The hayride was great. We had more show up that we thought would.
I have something special to share with y'all since you're my brothers and sisters in Christ. Y'all know I have a lot of health problems and that I'm having surgery Thursday. Well, I have a good friend who has been sharing my story with her church. And they asked her to bring me to church with her because they want to lay hands on me and pray for me. Is that not so awesome!! It's so hard to think that people who don't even know me want to take their time to pray for me like that??? It's very humbling for me. They are a really close, giving church that is really on fire for God. They are about 30 minutes from here. We are going tonight for service. I'm really looking forward to it. She's been telling me for months that the Holy Spirit is so strong in their services that it's like you can just reach out and touch Him physcially. I feel very honored that they want to pray for me. Is that so loving of those people to want to do that??? It's just unreal what God's love and do in people's hearts!
Allshookup;
I always say that prayer among believers is the strongest thing we can get. I once told my prayer partner that I would rather have his prayers than a million dollars. He could probably do either. I feel that his prayers have been worth far beyond that.
I am excited for you. I will include all of those wonderful folks in my prayers. As SirDent would say - \O/.
Thanks so much. I sit here and accidentally went to sleep. Guess I'm more tired than I thought. It's time for me to get ready to go to church. I agree with you. Prayers are priceless. I'm so thankful to have the ones sent up for me. Thank you for yours. I'm excited. I'll try to be back in tomorrow evening and let you know how it went. It'll be late when we get back tonight then I have some things to take care of tomorrow during the day. So, it'll be tomororw night before I'm back on. Until then.....blessings to you all!!! :) \O/
Exo 34:10 And he said, Behold, I make a covenant: before all thy people I will do marvels, such as have not been done in all the earth, nor in any nation: and all the people among which thou art shall see the work of the LORD: for it is a terrible thing that I will do with thee.
Good Morning Friends. :)
SirDent;
Thanks for posting that scripture. Life is filled with things to do, both good and bad. The Old Testament seems to have mixed messages for believers and non believers alike.
God the Almighty has handled good and bad things throughout history, and the bad things of man make God angry and jealous. Still, He alone is God, and we are nothing close. Do you feel that many Christians here on hubpages take God far too lightly. I think with maturity, believers will grow in reverence.
Do you find that everyone seems to know more about the Bible than those who really know? I tend to think that the more I know, the more tongue tied (keyboard tied) I get. Maybe it is just that I am getting old.
Do you think here that many have no clue about scriptures such as that one and how they relate to our life directly.
Some people seem to think ancient times are like today, and correlations are direct, it seems to me. Others seem to me to think that Jesus came to abolish the law not fulfill it.
I simply revere God, know that I was not there and try to make good of the little time I have here. Thank you for your faith in Him and His word.
Many can quote scriptures and most could even preach a sermon. To know the verses means nothing if it isn't revelaed to the one who reads. The Holy Ghost brings to remembrance what we have read. And I think I know what youmean about the more "I" know the less "I" really know. If we rely upon our own knowledge, we then cut out the Holy Ghost, which is never a good thing.
Hello everyone. I'm on here for a little while and wanted to check in. How are y'all doing?
We had the best servies this weekend. It was sooooo awesome. I heard things preached I had never thought about before. The preacher said that nothing or no one could hurt or kill me unless God allows it. That God stands between me and death or sickness. And only He can allow those things to touch me. And if they do, then I have done my job and am through with this early body and He's ready for me to see Him face to face. That God gives all of those who are saved a ticket Home. That we never know what it is or when it is, only He knows. And we should understand that He know what He is doing and that it's all for our own good. So, if it's not in God's plan, nothing, not sickness or death, can touch me. But, if it does, then He is there to hold me close to Him and guide me Home. But, they prayed for healing for me and laid hands on me for my healing. Not just from this problem we just found out about and will be dealt with on Thursday, but also for all of my healing. It was such a wonderul service. I guess I never just thought that no one can hurt or kill me unless God ok's it. Is that not awesome????!!!!
Allshookup;
Your passion is contageous, you know. It is wonderful that you have such peace two days before your surgery. I don't know whether to cry or just get God bumps, so I will do both. I am really inspired by your strong courage.
It is very important to go in with a positive attitude. Still, make sure you know exactly what the doctor is doing and it makes sense. I know you know that. Also, if you need to fight, I expect you to fight. We want a good report back soon.
I hope we see you again before Thursday, but just in case, thank you so much for the good pal that you have grown to be. Our prayers here continue of course.
I don't feel I'm courageous at all. Thank you for your prayers. I really appreciate them, especially right now. I plan on being on tomorrow for a while. I have grown fond of all of you on here who are so good to me. I'm going into this feeling that it will be all gotten and that I'll be fine as far as that is concerned. I don't feel scared or worried. Concerned, a little bit. But I don't feel afraid because I know Who will be guiding the doctor's hands as he does the surgery. I'm not going in there alone, you know. I'm going in there with the greatest Physician that ever was. The Great Healer. But, just so y'all know, I'll be back on afterwards as soon as I can and let you know what's going on. I also go in armed with the prayers of Christians. I feel I am armed to the teeth for this. I am at peace.
ASU, my prayers are with you, I hope all goes well, and Keep smiling!!!
Tit 1:15 Unto the pure all things are pure: but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is defiled.
Tit 1:16 They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.
Good Morning Friends. \o/ Glory to the God of Abraham Isaac and Jacob.
Mornin everybody. Thanks for the prayers and well wishes. SirDent, I read your new hub and commented. Thanks for letting us know you did it. And also for the Scripture. I always look forward to reading it in the mornings, wondering what thoughts about God's Word you will provoke in us each day. Onusonus, thanks for your prayers and encouragement. VP, thanks for your support. I appreciate how all of you have rallied around me in this uncertain time. It means a lot to me.
Viralprospector,
OK, I’ve seen this hub before and have avoided it. But I keep being reminded of it and seeing friends commenting so I thought I better take time to read it today.
Well, I can already see that I’m going to be answering comments.
But before I do that (some other time)…
I am one of those RFRWC. I’ve only made a couple comments here and there that could be considered a “Disagreeable Bible Thumper” and received fire in return in the form of hub score dropping as much as ten points in one evening.
Since I’m not here for a high hub score anyway…
Why not? I must say this though. I am not here to fight with anyone, but we all have a right to our own opinion. Having said that, with a Bible believer, it is not just an opinion, it is God’s Word.
If a Christian believes the Bible, and the Bible teaches a given subject; is it right for the Christian to avoid or deny that subject just because it is offense to someone?
I believe there is a place to avoid arguments, why look for arguments if it only distracts me from the purpose God has given me?
But to deny the truth is another story. But Peter and John answered and said to them, "Whether it is right in the sight of God to listen to you more than to God, you judge. Acts 4:19 NKJV
Further, if the listener doesn’t like the subject, should they place the blame on the Christian who is only quoting the Word of God or blame God for inspiring the Word and commanding us to proclaim it?
Now, before I read comments, I will make my position clear…
I don’t debate politics. My bias is from a biblical position and that is not hard to figure out. However I didn’t have this bias until I became a believer, Christ and His Word changed my bias.
Based on my experience, if I want them to see my position I should focus on their salvation and discipleship not on their political view point.
Some have a racial bias; others have a gender bias (two that we are seeing a lot of today). But that is just not what God called me to do – God has more qualified people than me to debate politics if that is what He wants done.
I don’t debate hair splitting Bible doctrines. They may be clear to me, but not to other good people. Debating will not convince them of what is right. “But avoid foolish and ignorant disputes, knowing that they generate strife. And a servant of the Lord must not quarrel but be gentle to all, able to teach, patient” 2 Timothy 2:23-24 NKJV
My belief is that Satan has given the non believer enough obstacles to overcome before seeing the light of the gospel without me adding to them. “whose minds the god of this age has blinded, who do not believe, lest the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine on them”. 2 Corinthians 4:4 NKJV
Well, I didn’t know that I would take up this much space, so I will read comments later. Or is this already too much ranting and raving? ~ eddie
Eddie, you didn't take up too much space. I'm glad to see you here. I have a question for you. Are you saying that your hub score dropped by making comments that other people didn't like? That hub scores depends on what you say and who you say it to? I am fairly new here and don't know exactly how the hub score works. I see mine rise and fall, but never knew exactly what made it happen.
Allshookup,
I was shocked to see that you had a need for prayer. So I started scanning the comments from the wrong end. I finally found your announcement and I want you to know that Barbie and I will be keeping you in our prayers. Barbie is my prayer warrior. I’m so happy that you have peace about it and that you are ready for whatever plans God has for you.
Jer 29:11-12 for I know the plans I have for you," declares the Lord , "plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you hope and a future. NIV
Keeping you in our prayers. ~ eddie
Allshookup,
To be honest, I do not know how the hub score is determined. But I know that I've never seen it fluctuate that much so quickly. I've seen it go up and down a few points but not 10 points in one evening. The second time a made a comment that someone may not have liked my hub score dropped 7 points.
Since I didn't do anything out of the ordinary, it is only my guess that people looked up my hubs and gave them all a thumbs down.
I guess I need to do further research on it. Thanks for the question and we are keeping you in prayer. ~ eddie
Eddie, thanks so sweet of you. Please thank Barbie for me too. I think you'll find a lot of love and support on this hub, as I have. There are some things talked about on here that some could come across as arguing, but in the end we tend to agree on the most important things in life. I hope you'll find this hub as wonderful as I do.
Eddie;
Welcome to this hub. I have seen you around HP, and if this is your first visit here, then I am proud to see you here.
You were certainly not ranting in your first post here, and I welcome your thoughts. We seem to deal with a myriad of subjects here, so feel free to make any comments, observations or critiques you like.
Thank you for your post.
Eddie;
Sorry, but I just saw another post where you kindly give encouragement to Allshookup. Many thinks for the prayers for her. We do strive for a mini online community of support. As Allshookup indicated, we may even take issue here from time to time. I hope that we can bless you here as I have been blessed by those stop by.
Allshookup;
I have to run some errands, but I expect to be back on later. Still, I want to be sure to wish you all of God's best mercy and grace tomorrow. We continue to pray for all involved, the doctor, your husband, your son and all your friends and family. Be sure this friend needs you back, so hurry up and get through this.
Hopefully, you can tell me on Saturday who you have in the NASCAR pool this weekend, since you usually seem to have the winner.
Seriously, we continue to pray for a successful surgery and swift recovery. We will miss you.
VP, SirDent, Onusonus, Eddie and all of you who are praying for me, I just wanted to say thank all of you for everything. It means so much to have prayers of brothers and sisters when you walk into a storm. You all mean a lot to me and I appreciate everything you have done for me and do for me each day. All of you are very encouraging to me and I really need that some days more than y'all know. I'm fixing to get ready to go to bed. I'll be back on a some point after the next few days as far as I know. I'll give y'all an update as soon as I can. Thanks for being there guys. Y'all will be in my thoughts and prayers. Talk to y'all soon. Take care of each other!!!! God's richest blessings to all of you and your families. Praise God \O/
Allshookup - I'm not a praying man, but I hope all goes well for you :)
How can they make light of such a serious plague as abortion? I am astounded at the miserable state of human affairs that degrades this nation, this world. All joking aside, theres too much of a southpark mentality, it spreads like wildfire. There is nothing held sacred for some.
When I lived in Phoenix, I watched a woman deliver a baby right into the toilet, I stood and saw the little body writhing around in the bowl. Quickly the father pulled the kid out, and I remember thinking "Dear God this kid is going to die!" I then rushed to the phone and called 911 and passing the phone off to my girlfriend I hurried back up the stairs to the sound of a desperate man screaming for help. The child wasn't breathing, we turned him on his front ( not knowing what we were doing) and gave him back blows until the sound of a faint cry was herd. I wrapped the child up and held him until the medics came, while the father sat in the corner suffering from an anxiety enduced type of spasm. I left the apartment covered in unknown bodily fluids having helped save the infants life.
This man had five kids and this last one was an accident, the family lived together in a single room of an apartment and carried this burden to the end despite their destitute situation.
People become too attached to their material posessions to have much regard for life, they put their trust in things of the world where rust and moth corrupt, and thieves break in and steal.
Darlene,
Just wanted to confirm our love and prayers for you today. Will be looking for your update. ~ eddie
Only a piece of a verse of scripture today for everyone. I hope you enjoy it and sorry I'm late.
Act 26:2 I think myself happy
Glory to the most high God. \o/
Viralprospector,
Sorry, I’ve not been avoiding your response or trying to avoid you. Coming back to a page after I comment is something I need to get used to. I normally do not return. I did this time because of Darlene’s need of prayer.
I’ve been a “fighter” in my day concerning Bible interpretation. That is still a part of my makeup and hearing negative comments on what I’ve said can bring it out in me again. I’m trying my best now to be a peacemaker.
I do agree with you and others that we need community. We have enough enemies in the enemy’s camp why stone each other.
To disagree without being disagreeable is one thing. To express what one understands using the Bible as our source is better. To argue and debate before a lost and dying world is another thing. For me it is a matter of God’s focus in my life.
I am the one who has the problem, not my fellow Christians. I need to learn when to leave an extended comment to be a part of a group understanding and when to make a polite or no comment and move on.
Praise God for Christ and a Christian community. ~ eddie
Eddie;
I am the worst at fighting on here, and I know it. I try to let things slide, but then I find myslef right back at it again. It is certainly an issue that is not easy to know how to proceed. I was visiting with a buddy on this subject, and we agreed that the Holy spirit directs us differently based on our experiences and the situations we face. Certainly, we should always consult and obey the Bible first and foremost, but there is a lot of gray area where more than one thing applies.
Jesus was not the push over many attribute to Him. I am not trying to say I am anything close, but He made His points clear. The writings of Him in the Bible are certainly not exhaustive writings of everything He did. Still, it is what He wanted us to know of Him. I do not subscribe to the theory that Christians should just get walked on. I do not want to scuffle with brethren in Him, but it even happens.
I always try to think through my replies. Yikes, you should see the first versions! You seem very much the model of peace to me, so maybe I was reflecting your comments personally, not that I think you necessarily intended that or anything.
Again, thanks for checking in on Allshookup and giving her encouragement.
viralprospector,
First, let me say that I believe Jesus was the man's man. Nobody, but nobody walked on Him unless it was His Will - at the cross for instance. Then again, He is God, I am not.
I have no intention of letting anyone walk on me unless I have orders from Jesus to do so.
Also I agree that we are all different and each of us must be certain we are under the leading of the Holy Spirit. Who am I to condemn another man's servant?
I have no problem with any comment you've made to me personally. And I have not had time to read all of the comments of others. I do know that one person who attacked you also dropped me from her friend list immediately after I posted my comment.
That didn't bother me because I had already removed her from my friend list over a week earlier. I had no problem with your comments to her either.
I have often taken note to the way Jesus confronted the opposition. Example the woman caught in the act of adultery. You know how I would have answered them; bring the man! Your law requires that both are to be stoned.
But Jesus did not do that. He addressed the issue in such a way that the woman felt forgiven and convicted to sin no more. But more than that, He addressed it in such a way that those accusing her felt convicted, yet a door left open to be forgiven.
Oh to be like Jesus!
As I've stated before, my calling and burden is to reach a lost and dying world for Jesus Christ. Many of them are modern day Saul's who are attacking Christians. The Holy Spirit will arrest them when His time comes.
In my few years upon this earth as a child of God I've noticed that when Christians debate among themselves the lost world turns further away. With that experience and my burden, debating is not FOR ME.
For others it may be the perfect will of God.
Bless you and thank you for your kind comments. ~ eddie
Darlene,
Here again to confirm our love and prayer for you today. Will be looking for your update. You are in the Saviors arms.
Dear Lord Jesus, hold Darlene in your arms, squeeze her - hold her tight. Hold her on your loving breast that she might hear your tender heart beat love for her. Remind her that wherever the will of God leads her, the grace of God is waiting in that very spot to protect her. Remind her that she is your dear lamb and you are her good shepherd. We love you Lord Jesus.~ eddie
Eddie;
Having seen your work on HP, I am honest in my endorsement of your fine work here. I really am honored that you would come here and post, and I am sorry that someone despises me so much that they would quit your fan club.
I fully agree that arguing among Christians is bad for unbelievers... and believers, too. However, I think it is worse to let someone claim that they are spreading the truth when it is a partial truth or wrong. That relates to the comment that Jesus was no doormat. Spreading the gospel is inherent with the responsibility to clear up mistruths about it, in my opinion. Usually, that can be done peacefully, but once in a while, it is not easy to resolve.
There are many interpretation areas of the Bible that are not exactly black and white. Even some areas that I think are absolute, other Christians completely disagree with me. I will argue to the bitter end on those points. Let me illustrate what I mean. Not to discredit the person whatsoever because I strongly respect him, but one example of that is that I believe there is a hell. That is not something I can let a Christian spread that there is no hell without calling for Biblical references. My reason for arguing that is that I do not want someone else to conclude that same thing. Others read these hubs. For example, this one has about 2000 views.
Other Christians feel they are forgiven and have no responsibility to perform for that mercy. I will state my opposition of that, too.
I would be less likely to predict when Jesus will return. I would not argue that point, since I do not know. I am not likely to argue whether I should argue. I wish I did not, but those are examples where I feel that the Holy Spirit calls me to do so.
The styles of the regulars here vary a lot, and that is good. It does take teamwork to accomplish important work for Him or even just to get by these days. I am proud of the teamwork with Allshookup, SirDent and Onusonus, as well as you. I think the intense prayer chain for Allshookup is a great example of how together we have more strength than alone. Thanks again for joining in.
I have told the other regulars to post the links to their hubs here if they want us to read them. This page is highly ranked, and a link from a well trafficked page like here to another page is a helpful SEO boost, too. Please feel free to take advantage of that, too.
Viralprospector,
I have no disagreement with you. God made us all different and gave us different task, passions, and assignments. Nor do I blame you for someone quitting my fan club, after all I did quit hers first. "You reap what you sow"
God Word speaks of both heaven and hell. Some are motivated through love, some are motivated through fear, but it is the Holy Spirit that does the convicting. I cannot speak for anyone else, only myself. When I was saved, I knew nothing of hell or the virgin birth, nothing of the trinity. As a matter of fact, I only knew that I was a wretched sinner and needed a savior. My point is that the unbeliever does not need to know all the doctrines of the Word of God to get saved.
As for those who propagate false religion. I hate that as much as anyone. I will place my righteous indignation against such false teaching up against anyone else here.
Years ago I received what may have been the best advice I’ve ever received for my preaching and teaching. Make it two.
First, don’t preach against all the false teaching. Preach the Word of truth. The Holy Spirit will cause the sincere listener to know the truth. Criticism of the other guy will only cause the listener to go to him to find out why we are so opposed to him. Not to mention the bystander who wasn’t participating in the debate to begin with.
You may remember the criticism against Elvis from pulpits across this country? They only drew attention to him and contributed to his popularity.
In gospel music the same thing happened to The Statesmen Quartet. Christian disk jockeys broke their records on the air and the statesmen became the most popular southern gospel group ever to this day.
The second piece of advice given to me and perhaps my favorite is no matter what scripture you are reading take it and run to the cross.
Now, I cannot emphasize enough that I do not disagree with you or any other Christian who comments on hub pages. I am only expressing my conviction here, not trying to make it yours.
As to the search engine, even this old man has figured out that debates run up the popularity. That is not a question for me. What does bother me, is does it reach an unsaved world for Jesus Christ.
I’ve never considered myself as an evangelist. My calling has been and still is exposition of God’s Word. However, the more I study the more I see the command to take the good news to the ends of the world. FOR ME, not necessarily for anyone else reading this comment, FOR ME I would hate to stand before my God and have Him say “my servant you’ve won a lot of arguments, but you’ve lost a lot of souls. My son, you believe in hell, look down there, do you see the ones you beat down in an argument?”
Having said that, I know the opposite could be argued. So the bottom line is “FOR ME” and not “for you”. My admonition to all is simply to study the Word of God and let it change you, don’t try to change it. Whatever God tells you to do, do it and don’t throw stones at the others who are serving Him. (I’m not saying that anyone is throwing stones).
Again, I have meant none of these comments toward you or anyone else who is obeying God’s command for them. ~ eddie
Isa 6:5 Then I said, Woe is me! For I am cut off; for I am a man of unclean lips, and I live amongst a people of unclean lips; for my eyes have seen the King, Jehovah of Hosts.
Isa 6:6 Then one of the seraphs flew to me with a live coal in his hand, snatched with tongs from the altar.
Isa 6:7 And he touched it on my mouth, and said, See, this has touched your lips; and your iniquity is taken away, and your sin is covered.
Hello, Friends. \o/ :D
Eddie;
I had not felt any disunity with you either. I never felt you were trying to do anything more than impart your wisdom on a tough topic. We need that very much here. Thanks.
God can use anyone within His perfect plan. If we seek His direction, then we do our best with our limited resources to help. I am glad that you share our enthusiasm to serve Him and praise Him. Please feel free to express your opinions here.
viralprospector,
Thank you for the encouragement. I just felt like you were taking my comments wrong and I did not want any confusion. We are all on the same team. As Jake Hess sang so often, “I’m not in a management position in the work of the Lord”.
Thanks again. ~ eddie
Eddie;
I was just discussing things in general. I have no disagreement with you whatsoever, quite the opposite. I noticed on your hub that you mention disagreement, too, or something to that effect. Is there an issue that i am unaware of? If so, please tell me. I take things at face value, so if I missed something, please let me know.
If I disagree with something, I am usually frank about that. I do not want a discussion to be misconstrued because I am nebulous about my opinions and feelings. Like everyone, we want our time here to be as productive as possible.
VP,
Same here no problem. ~ eddie
Darlene,
Just to confirm our love and prayer for you today. Hope to hear a great update from you soon. You are in the Saviors arms.
Dear Lord Jesus; please keep Darlene in your arms, hold her close to You and confirm Your love to her and her family. We thank You for Your watch care over each of us. ~ eddie
Onusonus,
I was not ignoring your post either. Our country is in a very sad shape. We need to keep her in prayer. ~ eddie
Everyone,
I have been posting a lot here lately so I thought I should let everyone know that my sweetie and I may be going on a week vacation. Please miss me:) No, I just want you to know the reason why I’m not posting. I believe a vacation is a time away from phone and computer.
Don’t know for sure if we are going anywhere but if we do leave it will be more than likely Sunday after church service. We both want to go to the Smoky Mountains again. This gives us a chance to relax and allows Barbie to write more articles on the Smoky Mountains.
Thanks to all who have tolerated my long post. I truly appreciate the love I see here. ~ eddie
Thanks for the support fellas.
Eddie;
Thanks for the heads up on your plans. Yes, I do try to keep tabs on everyone.
I love the smokies. My parents used to live near Asheville NC, and it was grogeous there. I wish you all a safe and fun time away with Him. Do you all know where you are headed yet?
VP,
No I don't know where we will end up. Barbie's already finished articles on Grotto Falls and Roaring Fork Rd, Alum Caves, Metcalf Bottoms, Tremont,and Cades Cove. Plus she has an unfinished article for Mouse Creek Falls.
The last time we were in the Smoky Mountains, the leaves were beautiful up high on the North Carolina side but not on the Tennessee side. They should be beautiful on both sides this week. We just love the beauty of God's creation so it doesn't matter too much where we land.
The most beautiful we've ever seen it was several years ago just outside of Cherokee Indian Reservation. It was dark and the leaves were sparkling from the moonlight. Never seen anything like it.
Thanks for asking.
See you all in a week, Lord willing. If not will see you on the other side. ~ eddie
P.S. When Darlene gets back online everyone give her a hubhug from the old man. ~ eddie
Eddie;
God bless your journey. May the road rise to meet you, may the wind blow at your back, may the sun shine softly on your face. It sounds magnificent. I can't wait to hear the details.
Go Nittany Lions. They just beat Ohio State at the horseshoe. That is some feat. They stay undefeated. Joe Paterno adds to his amazing legacy.
Hello everybody. I'm back. I want to thank all of you for your prayers and support during this time. Going into the surgery, I thought I'd end up with just a few stitches and it wouldn't be that big a deal. The roots of the growth went deeper than he had origininally thought. When he got in there, he found that out. So he had to cut wider and deeper than he expected. I have 28 stitches. He sent it off to have it analyed. I'll know more when my doctor gets the results. I go back a week from this coming Thursday to get the stitches out. It's been a long few days, but I feel that I'm beginning to heal. Again, thank all of you for your prayers. They are much needed.
Allshookup;
It is great to have you back. I admit I was getting worried, so thanks for letting us know how it went. It sounds like it went real well. Don't feel too bad about 28 stitches. I got 60 in my neck this summer for skin cancer. You will be good as new in no time I bet. Just be careful what antibiotic you use. I found out that I am allergic to everything but bacitracin. That really complicated my recovery.
It has been real quiet here, so you do not have much to catch up on. It is great to know you are in the process of recovery. Thank you vey much for filling us in. We will continue to pray for your speedy recovery. I hope things are behind you once and for all and that the rpeort comes back good.
Gen 18:14 Is any thing too hard for the LORD?
Good Morning Friends and enemies. :P Praise the Lord forevemore \o/
Evenin everybody. Yes, it's great to be back. Seemed like I was gone a long time. I really appreciate all of your continued prayers. I'm ready to get the doctor's report back and get on with life. Today was my first day out, and I'm really sore and tired, but it was so nice to get to get out of the house.
I do have a prayer request for all of you if you don't mind. I found out today that a close Christian friend of mine who got married this past June, (4 months ago), called me today. Her husband told her at breakfast this morning that he don't want to be married anymore, he wants her to move out. He said she cramps his liftstyle. He went to church with her, went up and said he was saved and was baptized before she would ever consider marrying him. She is very active in church and goes to churches as an advocate of abstance talking to teen girls. She's not sure what to do or what to feel right now. He told her he was tried of church and wasn't going with her any longer. And he misses getting to party with is friends. She doesn't party at all. She doesn't drink or anything like that, so I guess what would cramp her style. She is trying to be strong. But she and her family need prayers right now really bad. It would mean alot if y'all could remember her in your prayers. By how the husband is acting, I feel like he's not in God's will right now and that he just needs to get right with God. I think that's the main thing he needs. But, that's just me. Only God knows his heart, I only know what I can see. It is breaking my heart. It's been so heavy on my heart all day. I am going to see her Friday to see if I can do anything. She has packed her clothes and is staying with a friend, hoping he'll change his mind. She didn't take any furniture or anything. I have no idea what will happen, but I know God and I know He can intervene in ways we could never think of. Thanks in advance for caring and remembering them.
Allshookup;
That is a very sad story about your friend. I hate to hear stories of how irresponsible and mean people can be. I don't suppose it would be possible to hear his side of the story, would it? If so, perhaps you might be able to help aid communication between them. So often, it is misunderstandings that cause marital strife, albeit not divorce. I understand if you do not want to get in the mddle, though. It takes the right cirumstances to allow that for someone.
Certainly, I will add them to our prayers. Are there any children involved?
I hope to find out what he's feeling. The only thing he told her and his mother is that she's cramping his style and he doesn't want to be married anymore nor go to church. That's the only things I've heard him say, so far, which is the same to both people. Thankfully, no, they have just been married since June, so no children.
I've had a long night and I'm sore and tried. The forums are getting to where you can't even trust people who say they are saved. Ben is attacking me on there in a harsh way. I did tell him what I thought, but I feel it's useless. And Ben, if you read this, that's fine with me. I think you need more love in your heart toward people who are saved.
Anyway, VP, Onusonus, and SirDent, thanks for the prayers for me and for my friend's family. I pray that it works out that they stay together and stay in church. I hope to find out more when I go to see her Friday. Such a sad thing and so young. I think I'm going to head to bed. Sleep well all! God bless!
Allshookup;
I did not view the hubpages forums for a long time. I am sorry that so soon after getting back after surgery, you were already blasted. Honestly, I have not seen you ever post anything that is controversial. You are a wise and gracious Christian. When did that become such a bad thing for other Christians?
Well, just credit the source and keep doing your fine work here. I did miss you while you were in surgery. Thangs are just not the saem without you here. You provide a spark to this site. It is a gift that I rarely see.
Above all, do not let it get to you while you recover. I am sorry.
ASU, sometimes criticism is just a part of life, but don't be discouraged, instead stick to your guns and remember nobodys perfect.
VP, I never thanked you for bailing me out a few days ago, somtimes I just have to walk away for a while, sometimes it's too late. I never have been well versed at arguing with people.
2Peter 3:3. Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,4. And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.
Good Morning friends. \o/ :D
Onusonus;
Like Allshookup, it just amazes me that people are out there arguing with you and giving you grief. Even though, we know it will happen, it still comes as a shock to me.
Some of the gargage on this website is so absurd that is not even logical or correct, much less wise. Intuitively, I know that the replies you two would get would sometimes be pure BS.
I know it won't get to you, but I am always glad to pitch in wherever I can. I consider it a compliment to be told off by many of the people on here.
We are solid. Keep up the good work.
SirDent;
That chapter is the Bible is awesome. There are so many important points for us there.
Thanks for picking that one. I once heard someone say that Peter was not a part of the Bible. Go figure. I swear if I believed everything I hear, I would be a basket case.
Allshookup;
I think I know what thread you were referring to. I would think it is wise to avoid the purposeful anti Christians (even those who purport to be Christians) until you are healed up. Maybe it doesn't get to you, but I sure found it irritating to me. You sure don't need to be attacked at this time, it seems to me.
I am just glad to have to on the mend. How is theprocess of healing coming along? Very well, we pray...
confuscious say; man who stands on toilet seat is high on pot.
Mornin everyone. Thank all of you for your support and for always being here for me. It means a lot. Onusonus, I am not good agruging either. I go there trying to help, and end up being attacked. VP, I think you are right in that I just need to back off for a while. I do feel better today. I think I'm beginning to heal up pretty good. I hope all of you are doing good. I wonder how Eddie's vacation is coming along. Great verses SirDent.
Onusonus, LOVE IT!!!!
I haven't been around much, I've been learning to play a metal version of Beethoven's 5th. Last year it was christmas songs, this year it's classical.
We listen to classical while we homeschool each day. It's supposed to aide in the learning process. So, since you learned Beethoven last year, it should help you to learn Christmas songs this year! LOL
No no, I learned Christmas songs last year, this year I'm learning Beethoven. Now I'm waiting for my wife to wake up, it's 9:00 in the AM here in the greater seattle area, and looks like sunny skys and clear roads for all of you commuters. This traffic update has been brought to you by the Onusonus foundation for a better life.
Sorry, read that wrong. Thanks for that update. Down here its cold with frost on the ground.
Thanks for sharing your hub with us. It's great as I expected. My back is kinda giving me a headache. So to speak lol. So, I'm gonng lay down for the night. I hope all of you have a great night. Blessings to you all!!!
Jam 1:17 Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.
And good morning once again my friends. I hope all are doing well today and if not, Acts 26: 2 begins with four words that we should all heed. "I think myself happy."
Praise God for His word. \o/
SirDent;
Thanks for the scripture and note of well wishes. I echo the well wishes to all.
Hi everybody. I love that mind-set SirDent.
Allshookup - I have tried at all times to allow for our different views and treat you with respect. I have commented favourably on some of your hubs when I found I could do so. I even made a point of coming here to wish you well in your surgery. I was therefore deeply hurt today when you told me that I want to muder babies. That was an unjustified foul slander for which you should apologise. I have brought this comment here because I do not wish to further pollute Penmanzee's hub.
If you are pro-choice, that is plainly how I see it. When a baby is aborted it is murdered. I don't see how else it could be taken. It breaks my heart to think of all the murdered babies in America and in the whole world. How many doctors, scientists, educators, have been murdered? Yet, no one wants to take the responsiblity for it. I didn't say anything to intentially insult you, I only said what abortion is. And if you support that, you support murdering babies. Everyone hates Hitler because he killed so many Jews. This is what he happening today, yet people can't seem to see what it is. And it is heartbreaking to think of. Again, I never said anything to intentially insult you. But, I am very insulted by anyone who can support pro-choice or think so little of babies. I appreciate you wishing me well on my surgery. As I have said over and over to anyone who has wished me well or prayed for me. I worked in a phych unit and I had patients I delt with that had bad bad mental problems because of killing their baby. It's not just a medical procedure. They take lives = murder. There are laws where animals can't be killed, yet it's legal to kill a human baby. That's very twisted and very wrong. Someone has to speak out for them, because they can't speak out for themselves. I hope those who are pro-choice will one day wake up and see what they truely support= murder for convinence. If you don't want to be pregnant, don't have sex. That's the most simple way I can think of to say it. I'm sorry if I hurt you. Although I do hope you can see the damage that being pro-choice is doing. And what it really is. Again, I'm sorry I hurt you. Please forgive me.
Thanks Allshookup. I'm prepared to forget it :) But please don't label me pro-choice. I don't do labels. Have a good day!
You're welcome. I never try to hurt anyone by anything I say. It actually shocked me that you said you were hurt. I felt that you didn't like me.
VP, looks like Ben is on your case now. I can't understand him at all. He's so harsh and brash and mean-spirited and conceited to anyone who is saved. I hate he's being so degrading to you. I just can't understand what makes him act that way at all. I'm doing what I told you and not talking on the forum. But, I glanced over to read it. I couldn't believe what I saw him doing.
Allshookup;
You may recall that i worked very hard on this very issue for quite a while. I did not feel that it would work, but forgiveness is very easy for me. So, I just kept going. I do get mad when he picks on you, so I take the heat over to me. I am sorry that it makes you mad when he post outlandish twists of scripture like that, but I will not reply. There is really nothing there that seems worth dealing with, now.
He and Mark seem very happy together on the atheist commentaries. I guess that is where he feels the most common ground. Everyone is still welcome here.
VP,
Outlandish twists of Scripture? Such as??????
And in what way are they outlandish twists?
Joh 15:12 This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you. Joh 15:13 Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends. Joh 15:14 Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you.
VP, I am staying off of there for a while. I see no gain if when what we try to accomplish is cut down quickly by those who claim to be a fellow-believer. When those who are not saved see a fellow-believer treating other believers so badly, it only accomplishes a negative out come for everyone involved accept to add to the ego of the one making the trouble. Which, in turn, hurts the witness of anyone who is saved. It accomplishes nothing accept for Satan, he loves it. I'd rather not give Satan something to smile about or be a party to it. You may have a better way to deal with it. You are better at talking than I am. I only want to share Christ, but when you do that and get trashed for it by someone who claims to be a believer, it does nothing to bring the lost closer to God or knowledge of Him. It only pushes them away. I mean, why be saved is this is how fellow-believers treat each other? Who'd want to be a part of that is that's how you'd be treated if you were saved? No one. There's no room for ego when witnessing for Christ. When ego enters, it pushes God out.
SirDent, I love those Scriptures that you typed today. I needed them today. And I feel God's love from you always. I appreciate you for that very much.
I will not be around much today. Today I'm going to see my friend who's asked me to come see her. I talked to y'all the other day about her. I'd like to ask those of you who care and pray to please pray for her as she goes through this hard time and that God's will be accomplished in this situation. And please pray that God use me in some form, if only to comfort. I pray that they can make it through this and come out stronger, together. I hate to see families seperate so bad. It's heartbreaking.
I hope all of you have a great day. Blessings to everyone!
Ben;
Honestly, that is all I have seen from you. I feel that you think you are God, and your interpretation of the scriptures is consistently incorrect. You criticize the people I feel are good, and you support people I feel are evil. Your very first post to me irked me, and every post you have made to me since has riled me. Good people do not rile me. Onusonus, SirDent and Allshookup do not rile me, for example.
People you support do rile me. I asked you a simple question to enumerate the things you do that are good. Instead of answering, you try to twist that to something that I want you to boast. I just cannot see where you get that cocky arrogance. You have shown me nothing on hubpages, so I wondered if you have some credentials outside here. I guess not.That to me is twisting the scriptures to use them for a purpose other than that for which they are intended.
VP. this is for you buddy.
Luk 22:41 And he was withdrawn from them about a stone's cast, and kneeled down, and prayed, Luk 22:42 Saying, Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me: nevertheless NOT MY WILL, but thine, be done.
Jesus' prayer in the garden of Gethsemene. Jesus had His own will also. Pretty straightforward really.
SirDent;
Thanks very mcuh for your support and direction. I am not sure how or why I get into these messes, but I do submit my will to His. I just try to be obedient, but where it leads me at times is amazing. We will see where it leads for good, since He always does have the perfect plan. Dear God, let Your will not mine be done.
Eddie;
Welcome home! It is terrific to have you back. thanks for thinking to post your travel video #1 for us. I can't wait to view it.
I assume the trip was spectacular. Isn't is always great to get home, though?
May I ask that you all please lift up our friend Second Samuel in prayer. I think he is going through a difficult time. Please pray that God's perfect will is to resolve the issue before our friend.
Dear Holy Father, we call on your Holy Name in prayer for Second Samuel. Dear Lord God you know the difficult situation that he is in, and as in all things you know it best. Dear Lord God, help us all to provide him the most powerful chain of support. Help him to use his awesome wisdom and love for you in these tough times. Give him peace and strength though you. Lord, may you please grant the most wonderful outcome to his struggle. God put your grace and mercy upon Second Samuel. We love you O Lord. Amen.
Pro 18:24 A man that hath friends must shew himself friendly: and there is a friend that sticketh closer than a brother.
Ecc 4:9 Two are better than one; because they have a good reward for their labour. Ecc 4:10 For if they fall, the one will lift up his fellow: but woe to him that is alone when he falleth; for he hath not another to help him up. Ecc 4:11 Again, if two lie together, then they have heat: but how can one be warm alone? Ecc 4:12 And if one prevail against him, two shall withstand him; and a threefold cord is not quickly broken.
I am ahead of you VP. I realized prayer was needed for him two or three days ago.
I only read briefly the battle between him and his son I can only hope and prey that they will reconsile their difference.
SirDent and Onusonus;
Thanks for your support of Second Samuel in a difficult season. He is an awesome guy, as I imagine you know already. Since you know the situation, let's pray for his son, too. Thanks again.
Praying for Second Samuel and allshookup. ~ eddie
Thanks, Eddie;
I felt very confident in counting on you in advance! I hope all is well at home upon your return. Hopefully, you are getting settled back in.
Mornin everyone. Welcome back Eddie. Thanks so much for your prayers and support. We've missed you.
I wanted to report on my trip Friday to see my friend since y'all are helping her with prayer. They have decided to live together and are now talking and trying to work it out. Her husband still seems to be missing his days of being single. He admitted to me that you can't take a 'Christian wife' to parties like he likes going to. I tried to explain that parties will one day end. What's at home will be much more important. We all talked and prayed. Although we we prayed, he stepped out of the room. We prayed for God's hand on the whole famliy, His understanding, comfort and healing. I'm encouraged that they are in the same house. I think that's a great start to healing. They are supposed to go to church together today. I haven't talked to her today. Friday was kinda rough on me, traveling and everything. It got my stitches kinda inflamed, so I didn't really do much yesterday. That's why I was AOL. I really appreciate the prayers y'all are giving for my friend and her husband. They are young and learning to be married takes some time sometimes.
I read on the forum about SecondSamuel and his son. It has to be such a horrible time for them. As a mother, it would break my heart. But, I see what's he's trying to teach his son. As parents, it's hard to know at the time we need to act to know the perfect thing to do. I join all of you in praying for this family and God's healing in it. He is the Great Healer.
Eddie, I joined Babrie's fan club. She so sweet. I really appreciate her support in this.
I should find out my lab results Thursday. But, I believe it will be a good report.
Looks like I have missed a lot on here. Guess I need to catch up. Thanks to all of you again for all you do for me and my family!
allshookup,
Welcome back. Praying that you will heal and that the results will be positive. We know that you are in God's Hands and He is the Great Physician. What better hands could any of us be in.
The same goes for your friends. You are right, it takes time. God is not finished with any of us yet. I am so happy that God never gave up on me.
Before marriage I had the wrong ideas of what a man is all about. When I held my son Mike in my arms, I understood a little. It still took many years for God to mold me to be what I am today. And I still haven't arrived. When I do, you won't see any of my post here, but I will be waiting on my friends.
Blessings. ~ eddie
Psalms 7 Prayer and Praise for Deliverance from Enemies
O Lord my God, in You I put my trust; Save me from all those who persecute me; And deliver me, Lest they tear me like a lion, Rending me in pieces, while there is none to deliver.
3 O Lord my God, if I have done this: If there is iniquity in my hands, If I have repaid evil to him who was at peace with me, Or have plundered my enemy without cause, Let the enemy pursue me and overtake me; Yes, let him trample my life to the earth, And lay my honor in the dust. Selah
6 Arise, O Lord, in Your anger; Lift Yourself up because of the rage of my enemies; Rise up for me to the judgment You have commanded! So the congregation of the peoples shall surround You; For their sakes, therefore, return on high.
8 The Lord shall judge the peoples; Judge me, O Lord, according to my righteousness, And according to my integrity within me.
9 Oh, let the wickedness of the wicked come to an end, But establish the just; For the righteous God tests the hearts and minds.
10 My defense is of God, Who saves the upright in heart.
11 God is a just judge, and God is angry with the wicked every day. If he does not turn back, He will sharpen His sword; He bends His bow and makes it ready. He also prepares for Himself instruments of death; He makes His arrows into fiery shafts.
14 Behold, the wicked brings forth iniquity; yes, he conceives trouble and brings forth falsehood. He made a pit and dug it out, and has fallen into the ditch which he made. His trouble shall return upon his own head, and his violent dealing shall come down on his own crown.
17 I will praise the Lord according to His righteousness,
And will sing praise to the name of the Lord Most High. NKJV
Friends - Secondsamuel is not behaving well towards his son. Maestrowhit is young and has an open and enquiring mind. He is pursuing questions. He is seeking after knowledge. His father believes he alone has 'the truth' and even though his truth is accepted by only a small percentage of humankind, he will accept no query. Imagine being 26 and having a 'perfect' father. By all means support secondsamuel, but please also find space for the young man - a philosopher - so much better than a football fan, no?
Paraglider;
You said, "Friends - Secondsamuel is not behaving well towards his son."
You certainly have the right to your opinion, but I totally disagree with your assessment. I believe his son is misbehaving, and his father is calling him for it. However, I do not think it is either one of our business to judge his actions.
"Maestrowhit is young and has an open and enquiring mind. He is pursuing questions. He is seeking after knowledge."
There is nothing wrong with that, but when it slips over into judging whether or not someone is saved, that is very serious, as I stated on the thread. Maestrowhit may mean well, but that was wrong.
"His father believes he alone has 'the truth' and even though his truth is accepted by only a small percentage of humankind, he will accept no query."
I totally 100% disagree with you on that. There is really no way to know if he thinks he has the truth or not, since we are not him. However, I read him the opposite, and so I will gladly defend him. We just disagree, right? Don't take it personal, as it is not personal against you. It is just our opinions of the matter. His truth is allegedly accepted by 77% of all Americans. That is hardly a small percentage.
"Imagine being 26 and having a 'perfect' father."
Of course, you know we have the Perfect Father. Sorry, that was probably a little incendiary. His father said the opposite. He is hurting as this is a very tough situation to be in. He said he now thinks he should have done things differently. He is a humble man, and I do not think that is how you are portraying him.
"By all means support secondsamuel, but please also find space for the young man - a philosopher - so much better than a football fan, no?"
I have repeatdly said, from the opening hub, that all are welcome. I like Maestrowhit, but go back on that thread you are discussing to the opening salvo Maestrowhit fired at me. Everyone wants to blame the innocent, it seems to me. Maestrowhit and all others are welcome here, as are you.
Paraglider, we just disagree about this, OK? Do not take an extreme stance against my post (not saying that you would). You know that I will say it like I think it. If you disagree, just say so. I mean no disrespect. Peace. I support your request for support of Maestrowhit. I doubt he will want it, but I will give it. Thanks for coming by and mentioning Maestrowhit. That is very good and wise advice.
Nice scriptures Eddie. I was going to paste these before i checked in here.
Psa 71:1 In thee, O LORD, do I put my trust: let me never be put to confusion. Psa 71:2 Deliver me in thy righteousness, and cause me to escape: incline thine ear unto me, and save me.
As far as SecondSamuel and Maestro go, they shouldn't have brought it out in a public forum as they have. I believe Maestro could have more honor and respect toward his father, but I also think SecondSamuel could have more respect for Maestro. It is a two way conversation between them and reactions come according to actions.
Eddie;
Those are terrific words from the Lord. I spent some time praying about that after I read them. The Psalms are so wonderful and wise. Thank you very much for taking the time to select and post them here.
SirDent;
I know what you mean, but I really totally side with SecondSamuel.
I am not in synch with Maestrowhit one bit. He has called himself Jesus here, as you recall. He said that Mark Knowles was saved. He tied into me for no reason. Be sure he had reason when I replied, though.
I think that situations are getting out of hand big time on this website, and it is our responsibility (well, mine anyway) to bring glory and honor to the Lord. I do not think that is done by letting lies and blasphemy go unchallenged. I think Maestrowhit deserved what he got and more. I will give him more if he treats me like that again.
The atheists are outposting us on the religion forum fifty to one, it feels like to me. I am really angry about how God is blasphemed there.
SirDent and VP
Thank you and your welcome.
The Word of God truly is powerful when sown in tears and in the power of the Holy Spirit.
Those who sow in tears shall reap in joy.
He who continually goes forth weeping, bearing seed for sowing, shall doubtless come again with rejoicing, bringing his sheaves with him. Psalms 126:5-6 NKJV
Mat 15:13 But he answered and said, Every plant, which my heavenly Father hath not planted, shall be rooted up. Mat 15:14 Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch.
allshookup,
Just realized this afternoon that you stated you joined Barbie's fan club. I'm in her fan club too and I agree with you, she is sweet.
She is a prayer warrior and she also beat cancer without chemo, radiation or surgery. It should go without saying that she has a real passion on that subject. Her heart sometimes overrules her common sense, so you have been warned:)
I love her so much and I appreciate you. We are keeping you in prayer. ~ eddie
Matthew 21:12 Then Jesus entered the temple area and drove out all those who were selling and buying in the temple courts, and turned over the tables of the money changers and the chairs of those selling doves.
Matthew 28:18-20
Then Jesus came up and said to them, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit, teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And remember, I am with you always, to the end of the age.”
Mark 3:23-29
“How can Satan cast out Satan? If a kingdom is divided against itself, that kingdom will not be able to stand. If a house is divided against itself, that house will not be able to stand. And if Satan rises against himself and is divided, he is not able to stand and his end has come. But no one is able to enter a strong man’s house and steal his property unless he first ties up the strong man. Then he can thoroughly plunder his house. I tell you the truth, people will be forgiven for all sins, even all the blasphemies they utter. But whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven, but is guilty of an eternal sin.”
Very pleased to see our father & son reconciliation on the forum.
Psa 64:10 The righteous shall be glad in the LORD, and shall trust in him; and all the upright in heart shall glory.
Good Morning everyone. :)
Eddie;
Indeed peace of mind is wonderful. Stress and bitterness are literally killers. Thanks for that. YOur hub is terrific. The music gave me God bumps. We live in a great coutry, still, but we have endured massive injustice and trampling of our Constitution. That document and the founding words of our great nation stand as the greatest secular works ever accomplished, and God inspired.
It is funny that I had a post on my clipboard that I have been praying over. I probably would have deleted it, as I have so many like it since I have been on this website. However, your post just gave me the impetus to send it, even though it is pretty much totally unrelated. I will not edit it, but just instead hit 'post comment'.
I was on a very antagonistic thread (yes of course the "religion" forum - what a misnomer that is, huh?), and it totally destroyed my peace of mind. What I sensed the Holy Spirit working in me was that God's commandments are not being followed, and that it is not optional whether I can do something about it. I simply cannot have peace on this website where I see God blasphemed by proclaimed atheists and professed Christians alike. I am so appalled at what I have seen from the phony Christians there makes me sick beyond description.
I always say that I would gladly lay down my life for God, and maybe that is how it will be done. Maybe I will just give myself a heart attack... I sense that my determination to fight back against this evil twisting of the word and outright lies is not supported here, though. Maybe I am wrong, but I feel like I am subtly being told to sit back.
I ask any of you that read this to give me your thoughts. Please be as specific as you like. It is not about me, and I will not be offended at anything said, quite the opposite. Scriptural or common sense is welcome, too.
While the Bible tells many good stories of peace and love, it also tells that God is an angry and jealous God. He has laid out over 600 commandments, but I hear nothing mentioned of them on this website. The only thing I hear about hell is that it does not exist, but at least we have fought that one. Thanks SirDent. It is absolutely not all about love to me. I take Him very literal on that, and I bow down and worship and praise Him in all I do. I fell His presence as though He sits on my shoulder at almost all times. I cry and laugh from His amazing grace and love most of the day.
I am absolutey revolted at some of the behavior on this website. All I see is trampled fruit with absolutely no progress to glorify Him and His kingdom. How can anyone sit back when they see that every solid effort to make progress for God by a Christian is blocked, twisted, turned against the Christian and made to mock Him.
I could vomit on the political correctness and internet etiquette. Is this a war against satan or not?
Morning everybody.
Paraglider, I am also very happy to see father and son talking again. Isn't the power of prayer wonderful! Just shows what God can do. Great to see them saying they love each other. As a mother, it broke my heart to see what was going on. But it warmed my heart to see God reconcling them. One more praise item!
VP and SirDent, thanks for the Scriptures. I always look forward to what y'all will share with me every time I sign on here.
Eddie, yes, she's a sweetie. I'm honored to have her and also you praying for me. You know we women tend to think with our hearts a lot stronger than our heads at times lol. It's how God made us.
SirDent, I too wish that the encounter had not happened in public. I feel Samuel did what he did to show his son how strongly he felt about what he was doing, which was leading people who are lost down a path to hell. This had to be so painful on both sides, especially it being done in public. I prayed a lot for them, trying to put myself and my son in their places. It would indeed break my heart. I don't know how I would handle it. But, I'm so thankful that they are talking now and I hope now they can build a very close father-son relationship they both need. And in turn, grow closer to God in the process. He is the Great Healer and I know He can heal their pain.
VP, There is a lot on the forums and on some hubs that I can so feel your pain over. It makes me mad but I also know those who do that are heading strait for an eternal damnation in hell. Sadly, they don't want to know that. They are only worried about self self self. And we all know that is nothing but pride. Although those who are prideful in themselves would never admit it. But we also know what the Bible says about pride. Pride comes, then the fall. Some claiming that there is no God I think know there is but doesn't want it to be so because they want to live like they want to with no circumstances. If you notice a couple who claim no belief in God, they only question and question, never providing anwers. And then take pieces of posts of believers from one thread and another thread and yet another tread to make it look like the believer said all of those sentences in one post which is complete lie. We know they are spin doctors. They only want to attack and hurt us. They do not have the love of God in them, so we cannot expect any respect from them. They don't have any respect for anyone. Just self self self. To make themselves feel better, they attempt to trash us. Calling names, lying, etc. That's all they have. They have nothing of substance. I hate to see them saying the things they are because I love God with all of me. And I often wonder if they are attacking God or us. Sometimes it's hard to tell. They take up for each other. Like one day last week, I put the letter 'e' on a word that didn't need it. I was made fun of for that for days and days in a certain man's posts. But, there's a girl he likes on here and she misspells so many things you can't count them, he never says a word to her. It's all about who you are and if you follow certain people on here as a god. There is one on here to indeed feels he is up there as a god. You can tell by how he posts. He is full of self self self. He calls people names, yet denies it. I saw you called vd several times. He also greets Prophecy Teacher as 'Hello Liar'. But, he feels that's ok because it's him. If you call him a name though, it's a personal attack and the thread needs shut down because of you. This is a liberal web site. And as the Bible says, we are in a battle as Christians. You have told me several times about chosing my battles because sometimes I let it get to me. And that's what I try to do. When it comes to believers who claim there is no God, at least we know where they stand. What bothers me more is people who claim to be a believer yet support those who say there is no God and make fun of God and call Him names and make fun of Him and twist God's Word to aid their agenda. That, I think, does more harm than those who say there is no God. Those who say there is no God tend to follow men, whether they admit it or not. Even on here, there's one they follow. Which, in turn gives him even more of a god-complex. So, I don't take what he says with any weight as he proclaims many times a day, he doesn't believe in God. But those who do and yet follow him too, that's another story. Those are people who will have a lot to answer for. And if they read the Bible, they don't have to have you or me to tell them that God will indeed deal with them. In fact, He'll deal with everybody. But those who claim Him, yet do not follow, I would not want to be in their shoes. As to whether I think you should be in there trying to help them see the truth, I think only God can tell you that. I try to stay in a prayerful state all the time. If it touches my heart to talk in there about something, I do. If I don't feel God wants me in there, I just don't talk. But, that's just how I handle it. I do pray for all of them though. Whether they would amit it or not, they all need God in their lives, they all need to accept Christ as their Savior. So, I pray for them. I have been laughed at many times telling them that I will pray for them, but that doesn't deter me. I do it anyway because they don't realize how serious it is that if they were in a car wreck today and died, the second they take their last breath, they would be in hell. And although I know many on there can't stand me, I love them and would never wish even those who are so mean and hateful to me to go to hell. I don't know if this helped you or not. I hope something I said helped you understand how I'm feeling and what I'm doing. You are in my prayers!
Allshookup;
It is great to see you here! I couldn't help but reflect on your post which was described as written through the eyes of a mother. I think that was most telling. I have seen this issue through the eyes of a father. Certainly, my wife is loughing at me with wisdom and joy. As you have noticed, I am not bending one inch to the side of Maestrowhit. As I have said, this would most likely not be over if it was my son, and I feel certain that this is nothing more than a truce.
Nothing is changed. All the ingredients of the prior blasphemy continues as we write here. I could write a long tale of how my grandfather and father showed me how to be a man. I learned obedience to my elders the hard way, I assure you.
Fathers and Mothers have long established roles in the family, and I see that you know yours well. Thanks for sharing the true family.
The Proverbs of Solomon: A wise child makes a father rejoice, but a foolish child is a grief to his mother, or this proverb,
My child, guard the commands of your father and do not forsake the instruction of your mother. Or this proverb,
A wise son accepts his father’s discipline, but a scoffer does not listen to rebuke.
Solomon did not question David, and he certainly never even considered giving his father the terms and conditions of accord. We have great examples of fathers and sons in the Bible, i.e. Jesus who always paid tribute to God. We do not look to the world for examples of fathers and sons.
Allshookup;
Hmmm, well I do get exactly where you are coming from. I agree with everything you say to a huge extent, I really do.
I think you are a wonderful part of this website, a real breath of fresh air, as I have said. I only held you back because you just came out of surgery. Seeing how it went, hopefully you are glad that it was instead me in the middle of it. I don't know, but I really felt it would not be good for you, yet. However, I do welcome your strong support after you have recovered fully. I want you to know that your support has meant the difference between me being here or not. Sorry, they will really hate you now. I know that will not deter you.
Thanks for sharing how you are approaching hubpages, and thank you so much more for your continuous support and wisdom!
VP,
Certainly I’m not making any subtle suggestions to you or anyone else (not that you said I was). I just want to be clear. Right now I’m reading one Proverb per day for each day of the month, today is the 3rd so I read the third Proverb. I’m also reading 5 Psalms per day; today it was Psalm 11 – 15.
Only God knows what path you should take.
James 4:17 Therefore, to him who knows to do good and does not do it, to him it is sin. NKJV
Romans 14:4 Who are you to judge another's servant? To his own master he stands or falls. Indeed, he will be made to stand, for God is able to make him stand. NKJV
I’m not a fighter, or at least trying my best not to be one anymore. I used to be a fighter. God leads each of us in different ways. To me, it is simply to share scripture. As you know God’s Word will not return unto Him void. So whether it is scripture on God’s law or God’s grace, it will accomplish God’s good purposes. Here is solid ground.
Over the years I’ve been an expositor preacher. I’ve worked through books of the Bible. One of the reasons I’ve loved that approach is that it prevented me from preaching at specific people. I’ve found that God always sent the arrow of His Word to the right person.
1 Kings 22:34 Now a certain man drew a bow at random, and struck the king of Israel between the joints of his armor. So he said to the driver of his chariot, "Turn around and take me out of the battle, for I am wounded." NKJV
I cannot tell you of all the times God has used something that I had not even planed on saying to bring a person to repentance.
Personally, If I knew something was ruining my health – taking away my peace and joy. I would not do it unless the Lord made that perfectly clear to me.
Bottom line, what works for you may not work for me. I’ve always figured that my job was to hoe in my corner of God’s vineyard and not throw stones at the one hoeing in his corner of God’s vineyard.
Romans 8:26-27 Likewise the Spirit also helps in our weaknesses. For we do not know what we should pray for as we ought, but the Spirit Himself makes intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered. Now He who searches the hearts knows what the mind of the Spirit is, because He makes intercession for the saints according to the will of God. NKJV
Philippians 1:9-11 And this I pray, that your love may abound still more and more in knowledge and all discernment, that you may approve the things that are excellent, that you may be sincere and without offense till the day of Christ, being filled with the fruits of righteousness which are by Jesus Christ, to the glory and praise of God. NKJV
Colossians 1:9-11 For this reason we also, since the day we heard it, do not cease to pray for you, and to ask that you may be filled with the knowledge of His will in all wisdom and spiritual understanding; that you may walk worthy of the Lord, fully pleasing Him, being fruitful in every good work and increasing in the knowledge of God; strengthened with all might, according to His glorious power, for all patience and longsuffering with joy; NKJV
2 Thessalonians 1:11-12 Therefore we also pray always for you that our God would count you worthy of this calling, and fulfill all the good pleasure of His goodness and the work of faith with power, that the name of our Lord Jesus Christ may be glorified in you, and you in Him, according to the grace of our God and the Lord Jesus Christ. NKJV
2 Thessalonians 3:1-2 Finally, brethren, pray for us, that the word of the Lord may run swiftly and be glorified, just as it is with you, and that we may be delivered from unreasonable and wicked men; for not all have faith. NKJV
3 John 2 Beloved, I pray that you may prosper in all things and be in health, just as your soul prospers. NKJV
Praying for my brothers and sisters in Christ Jesus. ~ eddie
Eddie;
Wow, that is a real gem, and I mean this. I have come to expect nothing less from you! Your post and Allshookup's post will be used to shape my walk (OK maybe it is my run). I greatly appreciate you imparting your wisdom on this.
Your contribution to hubpages is immense. Please remember that I feel that way, no matter what.
I agree with you that the Holy Spirit uses our gifts and experiences differently. I am really looking for how God can be glorified to the ungodly (better known as hubpages). I am not so much interested in their salvation in the short term. I do realize that praise and worship are critical and natural for us. However, I was saved when God, my family and even inadvertently my friends shoved me in a corner and beat the crap out of me. Well, not literally, but certainly emotionally. I think there are a bunch of people (several of which Allshookup described wonderfully) who think they own this place, but I beg to differ. I want to see God glorified and no longer blasphemed. I want to see results here. For me, you are all much better at preaching internally among the brethren than me anyway.
It is very humbling to be in the company of such wonderful brothers and sisters. God bless you, and I thank you very much.
VP, I have been watching you on the forums. I didn't comment because I went to one of that woman's hubs a few days ago about mental illness. Since that was my major, I thought it would be interesting. I was sorely wrong. I got there to find out that she claims she's a minister, yet doens't take but bits and pieces of the Bible as being His Word. She also feels that demons are good and protective of us, that they are not evil. Also, she got upset when I said that wicca is bad. She disagrees with that. I tried to explain why demons and wicca leads to bad things, giving the example of a child of a friend of ours. But her and another woman who is on the forums only talked down to me and when I discovered she claims to be a minister of Jesus yet doesn't trust His Word, and she doesn't believein hell, I explained I was through with the whole hub. I saw no reason in staying there. She got angry with me when I talked about wicca and witchcraft. Something I'd feel any Christian would agree with. Only to find out she thinks they are positive things. So, I told her I was done and haven't been back. This is what I mean about people who profess to be saved yet share total lies with those who are lost. It's very disheartening to see that done. I'm sorry you got what you did there.
Allshookup;
That is truly one of the really disgusting things going on here. I have seen that for some time from her. She gets nasty sometimes when i write to her, so I try to avoid her unless I have a light schedule with plenty of spare time. I did nothing, and she just started railing on me. Professing to be a minister that believes in gods, wow, that will be really ugly at judgement day, it seems. I pity her "congregation" if there is any.
On the flip side, I am thrilled at conversing with Mark. I so wish he and I were always like this.
I'm gonna call it a night. I'm not feeling 100%. I think I may go and see the dr tomorrow. I'll try and check in tomorrow evening. I hope all of you have a wonderful night. Blessings to you all!
Joh 3:30 He must increase, but I must decrease.
Joh 3:31 He that cometh from above is above all: he that is of the earth is earthly, and speaketh of the earth: he that cometh from heaven is above all.
Joh 3:32 And what he hath seen and heard, that he testifieth; and no man receiveth his testimony.
Joh 3:33 He that hath received his testimony hath set to his seal that God is true. Joh 3:34 For he whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God: for God giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him.
GOOD MORNING FRIENDS. \O/ :D
People cannot vote until they are 18 because they need to have an understanding of how government works. Simple as that.
I will love You, O Lord, my strength.
The Lord is my rock and my fortress and my deliverer;
My God, my strength, in whom I will trust;
My shield and the horn of my salvation, my stronghold.
I will call upon the Lord, who is worthy to be praised;
So shall I be saved from my enemies. Psalms 18:1-3 NKJV
Seem that I must have misunderstood my own theme since I didn’t think I was talking about government issues. I thought I was talking about spiritual and moral issues.
The tongue of the wise uses knowledge rightly, but the mouth of fools pours forth foolishness. NKJV
Proverbs 15:28 The heart of the righteous studies how to answer, but the mouth of the wicked pours forth evil. NKJV
Prov 26:4 Don't give fools a foolish answer, or you will be just like them. 5 But answer fools as they should be answered, or they will think they are really wise. NCV
One should not answer a fool’s foolish questions in line with the fool’s mode of reasoning. The person who descends to the level of a fool to argue with him only looks like a fool as well.
Prov. 26:4 This seems to pertain to secular or insignificant issues.
Prov. 26:5 This seems to pertain to Spiritual and important issues.
Mr. Blobby;
Hi, I haven't seen you around before. So, welcome to our little gathering place. We are glad to have you. In reading your post, it appears you are replying to Eddie's fabulous post.
Maybe I am misreadng his post, but it seems to me to hinge on his statement, "Then my heart grew very heavy as I thought of all the babies who have no vote."
Eddie is so much more literary than me, and I tend to blurt out my answers rapid fire to the point style. I think he was talking about the tragedy of abortion in an amazing way. If I misread, that is just typical for me, I think.
I hope to hear more from you. We are really pretty up front here, so I think we are easy to get to know. Except for me, everyone is easy to get to like, too. Thanks for stopping in, and we hope to see you back.
Joh 3:35 The Father loveth the Son, and hath given all things into his hand. Joh 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.
Psalms 24 The King of Glory and His Kingdom
The earth is the Lord's, and all its fullness, the world and those who dwell therein.
He has founded it upon the seas, and established it upon the waters.
3 Who may ascend into the hill of the Lord?
Or who may stand in His holy place?
He who has clean hands and a pure heart,
Who has not lifted up his soul to an idol, nor sworn deceitfully.
He shall receive blessing from the Lord,
And righteousness from the God of his salvation.
This is Jacob, the generation of those who seek Him,
Who seek Your face. Selah
7 Lift up your heads, O you gates!
And be lifted up, you everlasting doors!
And the King of glory shall come in.
Who is this King of glory?
The Lord strong and mighty,
The Lord mighty in battle.
9 Lift up your heads, O you gates!
Lift up, you everlasting doors!
And the King of glory shall come in.
Who is this King of glory?
The Lord of hosts,
He is the King of glory. Selah NKJV
Hi everyone. Sorry I've been MIA. I'm back on for a while today. I'm trying to catch up with what I've missed. Hope all of you are good.
I really like this hub. You remind me of the appostle Peter.
please continue to Fight the good fight man. thank you
Glad you found it secondsamuel. I like it too. It's a nice place to come to to talk about things. Good people here.
Secondsamuel;
I am very glad that you joined us. I agree with Allshookup that this is an elite bunch (me excluded of course).
I hope you don't mind that I ducked out of the free will thread. I will gladly rejoin the fight if you like. However, I felt that the chance of progress there was zero, at this time for my efforts.
There is so much garbage that I cannot take it all to task. In a thread like that, any good points are ignored, while new garbage is introduced. I am willing to fight the good fight, but it has to be a sincere effort on everyone's part.
I just get real frustrated when I invest much study in my posts, read and study others' posts and get insulted for my effort. I know that you have a strong interest, though, so I am here for you however I can help out. Just let me know!
Thanks very much for all the great work you do!!!
Secondsamuel;
My fabulous wife says that I am like Paul. Well, other times she has less favorable terms for me, lol.
Allshookup;
Great to see you here. Did you get in to the doctor, or are you feeling better?
Whatever you do, skip the forums. I think I need to see the doctor now, too, lol.
Hey gang;
Has anybody bumped into Onusonus? I miss his wit and wisdom...
I have a request for prayer. I am seriously thinking of leaving HubPages. I have been here for ten months now sowing seeds. It is time to find more fertile grouond I believe. I could be wrong but it is something I started thinking about a few days ago.
Sir dent, there have always been, in every age of the church, those who have been opposed to the principles of virtue, who have loved the gain of this present world, followed the principles of unrightousness, and have been enemies of truth. Those who have associated with us and made the greatest professions of friendship, have frequently been our greatest enemies and our most determined foes; if they became unpopular, if their interests or dignity was touched, or if they were detected in their iniquity, they were always the first to raise the hand of persicution, to culminate and vilify their brethren and to seek the downfall and destruction of their friends. Beyond this I say, stay the course fight the good fight, and bless those near to you.
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Allshookup,
Welcome back. So good to see you here.~ eddie
Psa 72:16 There shall be an handful of corn in the earth upon the top of the mountains; the fruit thereof shall shake like Lebanon: and they of the city shall flourish like grass of the earth.
God has given each of us a handful of corn. It does us no good to keep it in the barn or in our pockets. it must be planted. The ground must be prepared to plant before it can be planted.
Mat 13:4 And when he sowed, some seeds fell by the way side, and the fowls came and devoured them up: Mat 13:5 Some fell upon stony places, where they had not much earth: and forthwith they sprung up, because they had no deepness of earth: Mat 13:6 And when the sun was up, they were scorched; and because they had no root, they withered away. Mat 13:7 And some fell among thorns; and the thorns sprung up, and choked them: Mat 13:8 But other fell into good ground, and brought forth fruit, some an hundredfold, some sixtyfold, some thirtyfold.
I don't want to plant in ground where thorns choke the plants up. I don't want to plant on ground where it is stony. Nor do I want to keep the seed in the barn for it is of no use in doing so.
Mat 7:6 Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.
I refuse to allow the swine to trample on my pearls anymore. It may just be my emotions getting to me and that is why I need prayer at this time.
SirDent,
Thank you for sharing great scriptures. I've given a lot of thought to the scripture about the pearls to swine. You have very valid points here.
Please watch the emotions. I have been prone to make decisions based on my emotions and realized later that I was wrong.
I made a decision to leave a church because I was focused on the critics instead of the needs. I later learned that there were many who were praying about joining the church because the Word of God was being proclaimed.
I've since realized that we can't make the critics go away and that many of them are only trying to hide the convicting power of the Holy Spirit. Others are modern day Sauls who are chosen by our God. Our Lord had critics and He told us that we are not better than our Master.
We can hide ourselves in the fellowship or we can go into the world, sow and water seed and leave the results up to Him. For years I focused on the church and not the world. The only critics I had there were disgruntled church members. Now, my eyes have been opened to what Jesus, Peter, Paul and others faced as they took the gospel to the world.
Some here have the gift of confrontation and other do not. I am not one who has that gift so I choose to "deny" the critics the right to use my space to proclaim their message. With that choice I'm still left with the question of reaching out to them. I choose to believe that if I am faithful in sharing the message God has given me in the way He would have me present it, the rest is up to Him.
Again, I can't tell you what decision to make, but I can share my experiences.
The most important thing I can do is what you've asked me to do; pray. You have my word that I will do that. God bless you. ~ eddie
Sir Dent,
Hang in there. As Eddie said, some sow, some water, but God is the One responsible for the increase.
Whatever your decision, make sure it's the decision of God for you.
SirDent;
Yes, you have been here faithfully honoring Him and trying your best to fulfill the Great Commission the longest of us. I know where you are at. I have been there with other internet sites, forums, etc., and I am often in that dilemma with hubpages.
The fruit seems almost nonexistent for me, but He is in control. You are obedient, and you are at exactly the place where His perfect plan has you. I know that you just want to serve Him as best you can. Please pardon what is likely to be one of my manifestos, but this is a critical issue. So, I will make many frank points here.
First, you are our leader, SirDent. Your absence here would be a great loss for us. Your time here has not been barren. You have enabled the rest of us to sow our seeds here, too. In total, our ranks are growing. You have allowed us to grow and continue with your example.
Speaking for myself, my first hub that I participated in was yours. I feel certain you recall that, my first fan. I think you were a bit overwhelmed by me, but I came from the Craigslist religion forum. I left it totally, so I do not know if you ever tried it. (I use a different pen name on each website, by the way). If you think this is bad, that is ten times as fast paced and less honoring to Him.
I think you have produced as much fruit as anyone here. There just are so many really nasty people who go public in our face. Still, they get what we are all about. It impacts them, but they won't admit it. Then there is the support we all lend each other.
Make sure you give it the Jimmy Stewart It's a Wonderful Life assessment to your work here. I have a knack for doing that constantly. I have and do that with your work here, as I do with everyone here. This would be a very different place without you, and I know you realize that. I also know you would only leave to produce more elsewhere. You will honor Him and glorify Him wherever you are. Hallelujah!
If you decide to leave this, you may want to consider coming by here to encourage those who stay and fight (not that you are giving up the fight - quite the opposite). I hope that is not the case because I would miss you deeply.
Still, as Eddie has said, only you know what God calls you for. Do you care to share what you might be considering as an alternative? If not, that is great. I am not trying to be nosy. It is just that I have spent thousands of hours on internet forums and argument boards. So, I am glad to share my experience (so you can be sure not to do what I have done - lol).
I love you, SirDent. I can't wait to meet you on the other side, but I do hope the end is not near for us. Your good work will be rewarded, and it has been very good work. God promises that many times over. Your work is fantastic, not good here. God bless you.
I agree with VP, Sir dent whatever you end up doing I am posative that you will go about doing good for others wether you stay or not, but I prefer "Stay!!"
SirDent, You have one of the kindest souls I have ever known. You are meeka and humble. Characteristics we all need to try to hone better in ourselves, I know I do. I would not ask you to stay if it is God who is telling you to go.That would be wrong of me. But, if it is the devil trying to get you down because you cannot see the fruits of your labor, I'd like to ask for you to please don't let him win. Oftentimes, I think we plant the seeds and it's not for us to know the fruits of our labor until we are in Heaven. You know the song 'Thank you for giving to the Lord' by Ray Boltz? That songs makes me think of you.
I dreamed I went to heaven And you were there with me; We walked upon the streets of gold Beside the crystal sea. We heard the angels singing Then someone called your name. We turned and saw a young man running And he was smiling as he came.
And he said, "Friend you may not know me now." And then he said, "But wait, You used to teach my Sunday School When I was only eight. And every week you would say a prayer Before the class would start. And one day when you said that prayer, I asked Jesus in my heart."
Thank you for giving to the Lord. I am a life that was changed. Thank you for giving to the Lord. I am so glad you gave.
Then another man stood before you And said, "Remember the time A missionary came to your church And his pictures made you cry. You didn't have much money, But you gave it anyway. Jesus took the gift you gave And that's why I'm here today."
Thank you for giving to the Lord. I am a life that was changed. Thank you for giving to the Lord. I am so glad you gave.
One by one they came Far as the eye could see. Each life somehow touched By your generosity. Little things that you had done, Sacrifices made, Unnoticed on the earth In heaven, now proclaimed.
And I know up in heaven You're not supposed to cry But I am almost sure There were tears in your eyes. As Jesus took your hand And you stood before the Lord. He said, "My child, look around you. Great is your reward."
Thank you for giving to the Lord. I am a life that was changed. Thank you for giving to the Lord. I am so glad you gave.
Thank you for giving to the Lord. I am a life that was changed. Thank you for giving to the Lord. I am so glad you gave.
I know this has to be a hard decision for you and I will also be in prayer with you in making it. It seems when we start to do something for the Lord, satan attacks from all sides. Please know you are loved and needed. You always encourage me and I strive to be more like you. Thank you for that.
I am checking to see if it is only emotions. I may just need to take a break for a few days to get my head cleared. One thing for certain, I only want to go where the Lord tells me to go and do what He tells me to do.
I appreciate the prayers and know that God will show me what He wants from me. I know it is hard to leave a place you love. Most of my Christian walk was at one church. The church I go to at this time I have been at for just over a year now. First church I was at for 11 years. It was hard for me to leave, but I did it because I know God said move.
I want you all to know that I love each and everyo one of you with all my heart. Your words mean so much to me that they brought tears to my eyes. I am not the leader that you think I am. I am merely His servant.
Psa 91:1 He that dwelleth in the secret place of the most High shall abide under the shadow of the Almighty.
Psa 91:2 I will say of the LORD, He is my refuge and my fortress: my God; in him will I trust.
Psa 91:3 Surely he shall deliver thee from the snare of the fowler, and from the noisome pestilence.
Psa 91:4 He shall cover thee with his feathers, and under his wings shalt thou trust: his truth shall be thy shield and buckler.
Psa 91:5 Thou shalt not be afraid for the terror by night; nor for the arrow that flieth by day;
Psa 91:6 Nor for the pestilence that walketh in darkness; nor for the destruction that wasteth at noonday.
SirDent;
It is ironic that one of the forums I was a regular on for a long time just formed as a new forum. That was over a year ago, but the regulars still remembered me and wanted me to come join up with them. As more people work more from home, I find that partners on the internet become more established.
While I do hope that you stay here, I will say that the hubpages system is about the worst of all the sites I have participated in. the mian attraction here is this small but terrific group.
I must confess that I went through your dilemma a while back with hubpages, and for some reason, I stayed on. This may be a tough or even inappropriate question, but is there something lacking that we could do better?
For example, I know that I get right in the middle of a fight. I also have little respect for Christians that do not build up the body. I am sure that is irritating to some people...
Do you have a vision for this group or website that is unrealized and frustrates you? Can you detail the issues that bother you here? Again, if not, that is great. The reason I ask is that I suspect that all of us are strugging with the same issues you are dealing with, to some degree. I just want to have an open dialogue, if so.
One thing that we could all do better is to get me, myself and I out of the way. This is a personal revelation for me, although it can be for everyone. So many state this is what"I" believe. This is "MY" truth. I will figure it out by "MYSELF."
Where is Jesus in those statements? Where is the message of salvation? It is time to stop talking about how much we know and how much we love Jesus and start telling everyone about how much Jesus loves them.
Great points SirDent.
I said, "I will guard my ways, lest I sin with my tongue; I will restrain my mouth with a muzzle, while the wicked are before me." I was mute with silence, I held my peace even from good; and my sorrow was stirred up. My heart was hot within me; while I was musing, the fire burned.
Then I spoke with my tongue: "Lord, make me to know my end, and what is the measure of my days, that I may know how frail I am. Indeed, You have made my days as handbreadths, and my age is as nothing before You; certainly every man at his best state is but vapor. Selah
Surely every man walks about like a shadow; surely they busy themselves in vain; he heaps up riches, and does not know who will gather them.
"And now, Lord, what do I wait for? My hope is in You. Deliver me from all my transgressions; do not make me the reproach of the foolish.
I was mute, I did not open my mouth, because it was You who did it. Remove Your plague from me; I am consumed by the blow of Your hand. When with rebukes You correct man for iniquity, You make his beauty melt away like a moth; surely every man is vapor. Selah
"Hear my prayer, O Lord, and give ear to my cry; do not be silent at my tears; for I am a stranger with You, a sojourner, as all my fathers were. Remove Your gaze from me, that I may regain strength, before I go away and am no more."
I waited patiently for the Lord; And He inclined to me, and heard my cry.
He also brought me up out of a horrible pit, out of the miry clay, and set my feet upon a rock, and established my steps. He has put a new song in my mouth — Praise to our God; many will see it and fear, and will trust in the Lord.
Psalms 39:1 – 40:1-3 NKJV
A four year old child whose next door neighbor was an elderly gentleman who had recently lost his wife. Upon seeing the man cry, the little boy went into the old gentleman's yard, climbed onto his lap, and just sat there. When his Mother asked what he had said to the neighbor, the little boy said, "Nothing, I just helped him cry"
SirDent;
I am confused. This seems like a puzzle to me. Can you just say what you mean? You said you are about done with this website altogether. I see your recent "fundamentalist" hub and your comments here. I may be wrong about what you are saying, though.
The fundamentalist hub was started before I posted about thinking of quitting here. I also said it may be my emotions that are driving me and I must pray about it. This is also why I asked for prayer.
I have been losing fans over the last three months. That doesn't really bother me though. I know not all can take the heat. Still not sure if I just need a short break or what, but I will keep commenting here and there until I figure it out. Sorry for the confusion.
SirDent, I have also lost some fans. I just took it that they didn't like what I take a hard stand on. It seems though that when I lose 1, in the end I end up with 2 or more joining after a little while. I'm sorry you are going through such a hard time and we don't seem to have answers for you. But please know we love you and are praying for you during this hard time.
Looks like 'satan' has decided to talk to us on hubpages. I can't believe someone would want to pretend to be him. Poor soul, where he's headed. Trying to provoke Christians and bragging on those who say anything negative about Christ or saying there is no hell. Things like this freak me out. It makes me feel that people like this have no real sense of what they are doing....perpetuating evil.
Allshookup;
It is Maestrowhit with a new handle. That's all. It is fine with me, really. It just shows what a fool he is. After all, he came on here and said he was Jesus. He said that Mark Knowles, the most strongly professed atheist, that he was saved. Then, he said everyone is saved. So, I called him satan. He is an idiot. Pay no attention to him, and he will go away. I will handle him...
Wow. Guess I'm slow to catch on, sorry. I hate that for Samuel. That has to hurt to see that. I'll be praying for them. Thanks for the info. I've been busy today helping a neighbor, guess I need to read up more.
The way I look at fans is it shows me the activity of people I want to read in hubtivity. So, I focus on who I am a fan of on hubpages. Unfortunately, I often prune my fans so I do not read what they write. I just can't stand to read what some people write anymore. So, I stop being their fan, so I do not pick it up on hubtivity.
I am sure the same happens to me, but I do not follow who is a fan of me.
SirDent;
Thanks for the reply. I was actually feeling a little insecure, I guess, and I wanted to be sure I was not the problem. If I am, just let me know. Actually, I am looking for an excuse to quit hubpages myself.
Instead, I decided to let the atheists drive off the cliff at 100 MPH. They won't listen to me, so I will not waste my time on them. Time to dust off my feet... I will probably just make jokes about them instead.
I like to catch up with you all, though, so quitting would not mean leaving the group. Today, I reallocated my time again. Hubpages time was cut by two thirds. That way, I will only have time for this thread and the threads of you all, things like that.
However, if you want "the hammer", just let me know. I will be glad to give out some frank opinions whenever. Hopefully, with me not dosing out the medicine, you will find more peace. too, SirDent.
Allshookup;
I agree that I am just sick for Secondsamuel. He is handling himself so well. He is an amazing guy. I don't think that God made me so strong. I hope I do not find out with my teenagers (so far so good). I know that it has nothing to do with Secondsamuel, though, because he is really trying. We all are praying for him, and I am at wit's end myself.
I have run the gamut on this one. Nothing worked, and I really feel that I was just making it worse. God knows that was the last thing I wanted to do. Still, many seeds were planted, and God uses very bad things for good.
I have found that it is hard to be much help if you have not suffered. The ole "been there, done that" has a lot to be said for it.
I fear that the world travels in their own direction, my friends, for the most part like the scripture says they become"Tossed to and fro by every whim of doctrine" there seems to be no sure foundation with so many people and it's because they don't agree with what the Lord wants them to do. they would rather follow after their own lusts, and be washed away like the man who built his house in the sand.
I love those two pariables because they show who is in charge.
Morning Meditation – Psalms 42 and 43
Psa 42:3 While they continually say to me, "Where is your God?"
Psa 42:5 Why are you cast down, O my soul?
Psa 42:6 O my God, my soul IS cast down within me;
Psa 42:9 I will say to God my Rock, "Why have You forgotten me?
Psa 42:10 While they say to me all day long, "Where is your God?"
Psa 42:11 Why are you cast down, O my soul?
Psa 43:2 Why do You cast me off?
Psa 43:5 Why are you cast down, O my soul?
Any comments on these two Psalms?
Onusonus;
My sister told me yesterday that she really fears for our nation. I see my sister as the eternal optimist, but she, like you, feels that people have really turned away from God here. "Tossed to and fro by every whim of doctrine" is indeed an appropriate statement to describe much of what is professed here as Christianity (not you all, but hubpages).
I am amazed that so few understand the Word and have moved to work in the Holy Spirit. I call that treading water. So, that is ironic that you also describe them washing away by the waters. Hmm, that really conjures up images of the hurricanes and natural disasters to me.
Eddie;
The saying "life is hard, but God is good" comes to mind in Psalms 42 and 43. Praise Him.
I will be interested to see other viewpoints. I am not much of the poet, so the Psalms are often seen better by those who understand Hebrew and read poetry.
Something out of nowhere happened to bring me to this hub again. I' haven't looked at it in a while, and now I see that I am one of the items on the table. I just want to set things straight for a few of you.
I am not the new handle godofthisworld. If you must know, that is my Dad. I am 100% positive of that. So if you're going to get so presumptuous about the wayward son(me) causing the poor old father(secondsamuel) so much pain, make sure you have your story straight before barking your accusations. You want to know who is the idiot making themselves out to be Satan? Well, I just told you. It isn't me. I have neither the use, nor the inclination to create an alias for myself.
Also, I would like for you to tell me exactly what horrible things you think I'm doing to my father. If you can, you will. If you can't, you'll just let this slide past you. I love my dad, and I have done nothing to deliberately hurt him. I'd like you to go and find where I have done that. I know the love I have for my father - you don't.
Maestrowhit;
OK, here is a quick reply. Here is where you think you are. You are foolish for that opinion, and I will make a partial list of why I think you are insane:
“I have reached a deeper level in my understanding of the Word.”
Here is the truth of your work from just a part of one day, and I can find many, many more examples (easily 100 lies you told). I can give a more frank and honest (and cutting) description of the situation. These are lies you have told in direct quotes:
“But I'm pleased God has planted a seed in you through me.” God plants no seeds of dishonesty and worship of satan in anyone. That is what you try to plant, and I spit on your seeds. Satan cannot plant seeds in me anymore. I fight him and detest him. He (you) is a puny punk, and I have physically beaten him in a fist fight. He flew out of my front door. I hate him, and he has no seeds in me to the best of my weak ability.
“We serve the same God, VP.” I spit on this statement, too. You serve satan, and I serve the almighty God. You are an idiot to play your little act on this website.
“Your flesh can do nothing but sin and die.” You said that to your father. It better describes you. Then you go on to tell your father,
“All you seem to focus on is fear. "What if there's a lake of fire after I die?" and you tell people to consider this to be a fact. You're telling people to be afraid. That is wrong. That is not the Spirit of God, and if you think it is, you're believing a lie.” That is another lie. Hell is real. You are getting ready to find out as you now travel. Only by turning in the opposite direction can you begin the long and arduous journey to salvation. Narrow is the gate…
Here is perhaps the very definition of insanity, “I love the passage in Luke where Jesus says that God reveals His truths to infants but the wise and intelligent don't understand. (something to that effect, I'm tired) But I look at that and it is clear what He is saying. He's giving us a way to determine the truth from the BS. With all the variations in translation, and the endless concocted false doctrines, all we have to do is think; "would this make sense to an infant?" That takes care of a lot of BS - Hell being the cheif. He's telling us that the real truths of life and death and the human soul are very very easy to see. In fact, they are so easy to see, you'll miss them completely as soon as you start to analyze things.” There is a false doctrine, all right, and it is yours. Hell is real, and every Christian knows it. You are the infant you describe, so of course you think an infant knows. That is the decetption of satan on you. Those who do not know it (or profess it anyway) are taking away from the Bible. God is very clear that that is dangerous at best. There is nothing easy about the bible, and that just shows that you know nothing about it.
Here is some advice for you, Maestrowhit. I am certain you will not take it. Frankly, all I can do is give it. Don’t burn in hell forever, as that is what hurts your father and your Father. Here is the path to salvation, as I see it. There is no shortcut, as I read His Word.
1. Accept Jesus. This is like a light switch. You have to turn it on, and you can turn it back off. That is how you accept Jesus, as you have asked. Satan wants this light switch turned off. You have called Jesus a liar by lying about His Word. You have not accepted Him.
2. Love Jesus. This is also a light switch that you turn on or off at will. Yes, you have free will in everything as I have proven to you over and over. You won’t listen, though… Love is best understood as a verb that you do, not some noun that you get. I pity all those who know you as you do not seem able to find the light switches you need to turn on. You try to lead people astray from His Word, so you hate him, not love Him.
3. Know the Word. This is an endless journey. While it is not really quite accurate that the more you know of it, the more there is to know, that is certainly the case for a novice like you. However, this is useless unless we love Him.
4. Do not screw up. If you still lead a life of sin, you are not one with the Holy Spirit, and you will not be saved. We all sin, but the heart of the believer will try to the very best of his ability to do right. Never would he intentionally go against the Bible and mislead others.
5. Go out and perform the Great Commission. You want to go straight to this step. You are decades away from earning the right to do this. You may never get there, I don’t know. Your father is aching because he loves you, and he sees clearly your disobedience to Him. It is all about Jesus and nothing about him. You have done the most painful things to him that a son can do. Repent!
VP: no matter how many lines you type to me, telling me the same salvation method I've heard from countless other poeple, you have still failed to back yourself up. I don't believe you can do it. You say I twist God's words. Well, I say that YOU twist God's words. Can you prove otherwise? I don't think you can, or you would already have done it.
You quote the passage that talks about "wide is the gate that leadeth to destruction" insinuating that I am one of the MANY who go that way. But you fail to see that you are just spouting off Christian rhetoric that 77% of Americans would agree with. In all of my interactions with you, you have NEVER used scripture to back yourself up. You instead use hostility. Do you think that is really the spirit of God? If you do, man, you are horribly mistaken. God is the spirit of peace, and love, and kindness. You have been none of those things towards me. Jesus says Love your enimies, turn the other cheek - you beat people up with words! And you take pride in it.
I still stand by God's word the way I have presented it. It is the truth. You cannot refute it. You haven't even tried.
Maestrowhit;
Wow, and you have amnesia, too. If you cannot recall three days ago, I cannot help you. Actually, I doubt you have amnesia, I just still believe you are a liar.
However, for the benefit of anyone who may possibly in their wildest dreams not believe me, here is the usual challenge that you never erver accept to your lies. If I cannot show ten times that I have psoted scripture, then will you resign from hubpages and publically rtepent and give your life to Jesus?
It should be easy if you are not in fact just a big liar. That is ten scriptures that I have to produce. No one who tells any truth whatsoever could resist the chance to prove who is the liar, right?
And once again - He does not use scripture. And he never will. I'm beginning to wonder if he's ever even read the Bible. I guess I'll never find out, though, because he will most certainly never get around to quoting it. All he'll ever do is use his own words.
Maestrowhit;
That is good that you persist because now I must show everyone here who is the liar...again. Let's play the ole challenge game. For, after all, I have challenged you before to let me prove that you were a liar, but you were too big a coward. You would not take the challenge.
OK, so here is another challenge for you to prove what you say. After all, I have called you a liar. So, certainly you want to prove that you are not a liar, right?
OK, if I have not posted at least 8 scriptures on your hubs in the last two or three weeks, then I will take it all back. If you lied, and I have posted them, then you will publically admit that you are a liar. You will repent and follow the Word with no exceptions, and you will resign from hubpages.
If not, you are just the liar I have always claimed. After all, here is your claim, "In all of my interactions with you, you have NEVER used scripture to back yourself up." Is it another lie, along with the many other lies? If not, then just accept the challenge for me to produce the scriptures on your threads and forums.
Typically liars are cowards, too. It often takes courage to deal with the truth. What will it be - are you a coward and a liar still?
If you say you've used scriptures, then maybe I've just forgotten about it. I'll admit to that possibility. But I seriously don't remember you ever providing scriptures in order to make a point. If you say you have, then I'd like to see it. If it is in fact there, that doesn't make me a liar. It just means I don't remember.
I do follow the Word. I am a child of God. I do believe in Jesus' life, death, ressurection, and purpose as the savior of the world. I've told you this many times, yet you seem to have ignored it.
I never was playing a game with you. I never gave you a challenge with an ultimatum, nor will I ever do such a thing. Also, I will not play your games. Not now - not before - and not ever. That is your thing that you came up with. I don't want anything to do with it.
What I want - and what I still don't believe you have ever done - or will ever do - is for you to present your argument against me with scriptural proof. I don't think you've ever done it. I don't think you ever will do it. And until you DO it, you're just flapping your cyber-jaws. There is no meat to what you write. It's all just a bunch of empty gas-blowing. If you believe so strongly in your doctrines that you go around hammering people like a school-yard bully - you should be able to support yourself with the BIBLE. YOU SHOULDNT NEED AN IDIOTIC GAME IN ORDER TO DO THAT.
Are you going to waste another message stalling? Are you going to finally get down to business? You know, VP, we are talking about a book called the Bible here. Did you know that?
Again, I may have forgotten about your scriptural references. If you did give one, it must not have been very substantial, because I don't recall. But If you did, and I forgot, then please accept my apologies.
Maestrowhit;
Maybe you should go back and reread your threads if you cannot recall what I wrote. I remember... Why take issue with me if you don't even know what I am talking about? Instead learn, then all of this will go away. You will not let anything progress for yourself. It is pathetic.
I realize that I am not included in this conversation, but I have a question about something you said. You said that you realize that Jesus' purpose as the Savior of the world. If there is no hell, what is He saving the world from?
I'm tired and going to bed now. I'll try to check in sometime tomorrow night. I have doctors appointments in Memphis tomorrow. Everyone take care. Blessings to you all.
Allshookup;
It is wonderful to "see" you here. As usual, I have missed you, but we keep praying for your recovery through god's omnipotent grace and mercy in His perfect plan. Please let me know how the doctor's appointment goes. Hopefully, this will be the start of good news and a full recovery.
I know you may have turned in, but is this when you will get the test results? God bless you.
Yeah, another stupid dogmatic statement from Allshook. What are we saved from? Dah!! Pain, sickness, death? Not some fabled hell, I assure you. Tired of the same stupid church crap.
Anyhow, Viral, I don't have the first clue about this new hubster and what he believes. I have commented that he at least has common sense for not believing in that stupid hell crap. But I know little about his beliefs and what he thinks the scriptures teach on subjects such as judgment and what happens at death. But if you could do me this one favor, I would appreciate it. Could you Viral, please list the scriptures that you used to prove his views wrong? I have no idea what you said to him and would like to see for my-self whether your scriptures did in fact prove him wrong.
It is important that I see exactly what it is he denies. He said something about the Lake of Fire to you earlier. Now, I emphatically believe that the Lake of Fire will be set into place at the end of the aions (not at the end of the eternities as the KJ would foolishly suggest). If he's confused about the difference between the Lake of Fire and the badly translated hell then maybe I could explain these things to him. But all that I see you doing is the same stuff you did to me. For all I know, you are twisting his words like you did with me time and time again. And maybe he could answer this one. Did you ever suggest that you or your dad is God? I don't believe you said such a thing.
Dan;
If you think you will come on this thread and insult Allshookup, then stick it. I absolutely will not answer your question, you irresponsible jerk. Didn't you see she is going to the doctor tomorrow? What a creep.
If you want to see what I wrote, go look it up yourself. You and Masetrowhit go play hubbites with each other. Get lost!
Trust me. I'd be the first one to pull someone out of a fire if presented with the opportunity to do so. Even those who think God is a sadest. I don't seek to physically or mentally hurt anyone. But stupid and dogmatic statements are just that. I try to expose false scripture, only. I will refrain from returning the insults that you threw at me.
There was once a judge who was very merciful to every person who came before him. No matter what evidence was shown and proven in his court, he always let those who were guilty go. He didn't judge rightly according to the law. Murderers and rapists were set free just cause he wanted to show them mercy. They didn't repent, but got worse still in their deeds.
Would anyone want to see a judge like that taking care of all who are guilty? Rhetoric is easy to spew. People are easily fooled. Can you stand before God and say that you're not guilty?
The judge has already judged the world.
Joh 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
Joh 3:19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
Joh 3:20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
Tell me Dan, would you pull them out time and time again as you watch them jump back into the same fire?
VP: alright, I just reviewed the the forum about free will - the one where you ended up calling me Satan. I didn't see a single post where you, on your own initiative, provided scriptural references to support your arguments.
So, as it is, you are a wind-bag who doesn't ever use the Bible. Why don't you ever use scripture? Are you lazy or something? Or do you just not have enough faith in what you're saying? Either way, I'm sure you'll continue to evade the Bible. You'll use any tactic possible to keep yourself from having to use scripture in your posts.
Maestrowhit;
How can you keep doing this to yourself? I would be so humiliated that I could not sleep if I lied like you. I have trouble finding you ever being honest. I am not exaggerating. You are a very sick person who needs immediate help.
Within the last six days, I posted these scriptures on your forum that you said in your last post that I posted no scriptures on:
1. It is better to back up to 1 John 2:26, I am writing these things to you about those who are trying to lead you astray."
2. You would be much better to focus a few passages back to Philippians 3:18, "For as I have often told you before and now say again even with tears, many live as enemies of the cross of Christ. Their destiny is destruction, their god is their stomach, and their glory is in their shame.”
3. John 6:14 said, "Jesus replied, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me."
4. The Bible ends with this very warning, "I testify to the one who hears the words of the prophecy contained in this book: If anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book. And if anyone takes away from the words of this book of prophecy, God will take away his share in the tree of life and in the holy city that are described in this book."
5. So, I warn you and others on this forum of that. If you wonder if God means business, here is one of many examples that say you will absolutely be burned in hell if you go astray. "But to the cowards, unbelievers, detestable persons, murderers, the sexually immoral, and those who practice magic spells, idol worshipers, and all those who lie, their place will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur. That is the second death.”
6. Luke 18:29 said it this way, "Then Jesus said to them, “I tell you the truth, there is no one who has left home or wife or brothers or parents or children for the sake of God’s kingdom who will not receive many times more in this age – and in the age to come, eternal life."
Every time that you argue with a true Christian, I believe that your lost battle leaves a thorn in you. You look like you have run through the briar patch for the last month.
I am not hurt that you cannot even read my posts, even when you go back to read them. You actually said I have NEVER (your caps lock) posted scripture to you. I see that scales have been formed over your eyes. I am not helping you whatsoever. You are just getting more removed from our Savior. Please do us both a favor and break off communications with me. I am willing to have dialogue with you, but this is just speeding you to the cliff at a faster speed. I do not want that. Pull out the thorns, give the wounds time to heal, then leave this website alone. I do not believe you have much more time to do this.
There is a lot I could say, but you cannot read anything from me obviously. So, please, just move on.
Dan,
I have two questions.
First you said; “Yeah, another stupid dogmatic statement from Allshook”.
Then you said; “I don't seek to physically or mentally hurt anyone. But stupid and dogmatic statements are just that. I try to expose false scripture, only. I will refrain from returning the insults that you threw at me”.
What am I missing here? What was that you said about allshookup if it wasn't an insult?
You said; "I try to expose false scripture" What is "false scripture"?
I think I know what you mean, but is this campaign against "false scripture" more important than Christian graces? Is it more important than the love mentioned in 1 Cor 13? Is it more important than working together to battle the real enemy?
Second you said; “I emphatically believe that the Lake of Fire will be set into place at the end of the aions (not at the end of the eternities as the KJ would foolishly suggest)”. Then you said; “Trust me. I'd be the first one to pull someone out of a fire if presented with the opportunity to do so”.
Please correct me if I am misunderstanding you.
Sounds to me that you do believe that there is a “Lake of Fire” and that people will go there at some point.
So, if it is real and if someone we have contact with could go there, then what difference does it make when it will take place?
Why should Christians fight among themselves over hair splitting differences and let people go to the lake of fire? We have the opportunity to “pull them out” by forgetting our differences and working together on what we agree upon.
If you have accepted Jesus Christ as your Savior then you are my brother. If allshookup as accepted Christ Jesus as her Savior then she is my sister. I don’t understand why we think we have to fight among ourselves while the world goes to hell, excuse me, the lake of fire.
I’ve state this before, but I’ll say it again. I would rather help one person enter heaven than win a million theological arguments.
I'm not posting this for argument sake but communication sake.
It is not about me. ~ eddie
Eddie;
Amen, brother!
SirDent;
That is a very thought provoking and sensible post. "Would anyone want to see a judge like that taking care of all who are guilty?" you asked. I know that I do not want a lawless world where there is no punishment. The beauty of the Bible is that the terms of goodness have not changed. The punishment has not either. That is all that we can ask, isn't it?
When there is injustice, it is because the terms of conduct are unfair or the terms keep changing. It is not unjust to establish that conduct must be good, and there is harsh punishment for bad behavior.
Thank you very much for your comments here, as always.
VP - I was talking about your using scriptures in direct conversation with ME. Not someone else on my forum. I still don't see anywhere that you have used the Bible as a direct rebuttal to me, and specifically what I have said. What you refer to above is your comment to someone else's posts - not mine. You are afraid to go up against me with scripture. You hear the truth in what I say, and it clearly freaks you out. All your desparately insulting words are just comedy to me - and not just me, either.
Ok, so I guess you do sometimes use scripture. But even the scripture you used was not in an effort to back your beliefs up, it was in an effort to attack someone else. And it wasn't even directed at me - which is what I've been talking about all along. Your interactions with me personally. You scream that I'm wrong, but you don't back it up. I would've admitted that I mas mistaken, but it looks like I was right after all. I was looking for your scriptural references in posts that were directed at me personally. I didn't find them.
I prey that every man woman and child who has named the name of Christ to be of one heart and one mind, and if we do not then we will surely perish by the way.
A perfect oneness will save a people, because intelligent beings canot become perfectly one, only by acting on principles that pertain to eternal life. Wicked men may be partially united in evil; but, in the very nature of things, such a union is of short duration. The very principle of which they are partially united will itself breed contention and disunion.
But the religion of heaven unites the hearts of the people and makes them one. You may gather a people together, and no matter how widely they differ in politics, the gosple of Jesus Christ will make them one, even if among them were found members of all the political parties in the country.
onusonus: Yes, good point. Jesus was speaking to God when He said something right up that alley. It's in John 17 -
22 "The glory which You have given Me I have given to them, that they may be one, just as We are one;
23 I in them and You in Me, that they may be perfected in unity, so that the world may know that You sent Me, and loved them, even as You have loved Me.
Maestrowhit;
But all liars – their place will be in the fiery lake of burning sulfur.
You are the ultimate prototype. All you do is lie. I asked you nicely to discontinue discussion with me. Why? Because I am tired of just arguing that you do nothing but lie. How can I get anywhere if I just waste time copying and pasting your lies.
OK, please make this the last time, OK? Quit lying about me and get lost, OK? To every single post you make, I just prove 100% for sure that you are a liar, post after post. I am beyond disgusted with this.
Yesterday, you said this:
“In all of my interactions with you, you have NEVER used scripture to back yourself up.”
…and this:
“And once again - He does not use scripture. And he never will.”
…and this:
“What I want - and what I still don't believe you have ever done - or will ever do - is for you to present your argument against me with scriptural proof. I don't think you've ever done it. I don't think you ever will do it. And until you DO it, you're just flapping your cyber-jaws. There is no meat to what you write. It's all just a bunch of empty gas-blowing. If you believe so strongly in your doctrines that you go around hammering people like a school-yard bully - you should be able to support yourself with the BIBLE.”
Today, you said this:
“So, as it is, you are a wind-bag who doesn't ever use the Bible. Why don't you ever use scripture? Are you lazy or something? Or do you just not have enough faith in what you're saying? Either way, I'm sure you'll continue to evade the Bible. You'll use any tactic possible to keep yourself from having to use scripture in your posts.”
Later today, you say this, “Ok, so I guess you do sometimes use scripture.”
Well, duh, I just posted six times I did it on the very forum you reference in the last week.
However, rather than apologize and agree that you are just a total liar (which is another typical attribute of a liar), you change the story. The story is now, “VP - I was talking about your using scriptures in direct conversation with ME.” What will it be next, I said you never quote scriptures to Barack Obama on the third Tuesday of March? What BS. How stupid do you think the readers of this hub are? Well, you got it wrong. They see your lies, so give them up.
However, in the interest of full disclosure, most of the scriptures I posted WERE TO YOU (mimic of your caps lock of ME)”. Here is the post. I know that you cannot read my posts. I know the scales are on your eyes, but all the others here can see quite well:
Mohitmisra, Maestrowhit and Lady Guinnevere;
I read all your posts, and I am compelled to say some things to you that I have been beating around the bush about. I do not attirbute all of this to any of you, but there are pieces for each of you. That way, no one will need to take it personally.
Jesus is not the same as other people, I don't care who you pick - Mohammad, Buddha, you, or any other person.
The Bible could not be more different than the Quran, for example. Mohammad actually commands this day for all Muslims to kill all infidels. All Christians are the death target of all loyal and fundamental Muslims. Jesus said that He came to fulfill the law, not to abolish it. The law, which He repeated is "thou shalt not kill." You need to study these religions to know.
There is not any other scenario in Christianity than that Jesus, God and the Holy Spirit are one God. Mohammad and Buddha are simply false prophets. It is repulsive to hear the total lies that are being spread about what Christianity is here!
John 6:14 said, "Jesus replied, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." That is a pivotal concept of the Bible that hinges all other verses.
No, not Buddha or Mohammad, and no they cannot be the path if Jesus is the only path. I am not asking you to believe the Bible. That is either your path or not. However, you are wise to give up your propensity to give a public assessment of it immediately.
That is not said to belittle you. I know very little about your religions. In fact, I do not know what religions you profess, and I do not need to know. They are false! You seem to be taking bits and pieces from all. The Bible totally prohibits buffet Christianity. Those, who do it, face what appears to me to be a very horrible judgement day, particularly those who go public with that. That is misleading those who are potential seekers. The Bible ends with this very warning,
"I testify to the one who hears the words of the prophecy contained in this book: If anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book. And if anyone takes away from the words of this book of prophecy, God will take away his share in the tree of life and in the holy city that are described in this book."
So, I warn you and others on this forum of that. If you wonder if God means business, here is one of many examples that say you will absolutley be burned in hell if you go astray. "But to the cowards, unbelievers, detestable persons, murderers, the sexually immoral, and those who practice magic spells, idol worshipers, and all those who lie, their place will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur. That is the second death.”
Finally, as has been said early on in this thread, it is about obedience to God only for a Christian. Nothing, that is right nothing I repeat, takes precedent over each person's walk with the Lord. Luke 18:29 said it this way, "Then Jesus said to them, “I tell you the truth, there is no one who has left home or wife or brothers or parents or children for the sake of God’s kingdom who will not receive many times more in this age – and in the age to come, eternal life."
Perhaps you take lightly your acts on this website. Those who are seeking come here for guidance. We all must take very seriously our words here as we become teachers, whether we like it or not, when we post publically. "Not many of you should become teachers, my brothers and sisters, because you know that we will be judged more strictly."
The SirDent testimony hub is amazing. Everyone should read it when they have time. Sometimes, I think SirDent was born to write hubs. They are great reads, and he has now written 122. I don't think I have read them all, but I want to.
EVERYBODY!!!! I'm back home! I back from my doctor's appointment which ended up taking all day because the incision came open last night after I got off here and they had to re-fix me. BUT GOOD NEWS!!! PRAISE ITEM!!! They have the first results back and it shows they got all of the growth!!!!!!!! I'm excited!!!!! They are waiting on the rest of the findings to show just what all the growth was and to make sure that the limpnodes (or however you spell that)are ok too, but it looks like they got all of it!!!!!!!!!!! I've been in tears every since he told me. He did tell me today that it was larger and more involved in my nerves and stuff that he had originally thought, and that he had had to take a lot more than he expected, but it worked!!! God did it again!!!!!!!!!!! I'm just so happy! PRAISE GOD!!!!!
And when I asked that question about what God was supposed to save us from, I was very serious. I didn't mean to be smart or anything. I just couldn't understand if there's nothing to be saved from, whey does he feel we need a Savior. I honestly didn't understand that reasoning. I didn't mean to start a fight or say it to get attacked. I was confused by the things he said, that's all.
Again, the cancer is GONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And as of right now, unless something comes back on the next report he doens't expect, I won't have to have any type of treatments at all! Miracle? YES!!! \0/ \O/ \o/
Thank all of you who have prayed for me and supported and comforted me. You have no idea how much it means to me to have y'all as friends. It's really great to have somewhere to go to talk or vent or ask for prayer and know you can get it. I thank God for all of you and you all are always in my prayers. THANK YOU SOOOO MUCH!!!!!!!
Congratulations ASU!!! To me Cancer goes over like a turd in a punch bowl, good riddance!
Allshookup;
Praise God indeed! What a terrific praise report. Thanks so much for the great news. Thank God for answering our prayers that you are moving forward with a positive prognosis. It must be a huge relief to you and your family. I am thrilled for all of you.
Thanks VP! We are very excited!! God is Good huh???!! I really appreciate your prayers! See how they work?!?!?!? Great isn't it!?!?!
Onusonus, thank you so much for your prayers and support too. It means more to me than you realize! I have an idea for you, when you retire, you should be a poet! LOVE your work!! LOL
Allshookup,
Praise God for the good news! Thank you for sharing.
God is good. ~ eddie
Indeed He is Eddie!!!! Please let Barbie know if you don't mind and I want to thank both of you for being so sweet to me!
VP: I'll hand it to you - I stand corrected. You indeed did use scripture in a post addressed to me.
However, you have never explained to me or anyone else why it is you are such a jerk to me. Why exactly do you say I am spreading lies? Why are you such a monster towards me? This is what you fail to give reasons for. You and I are both believers in Christ, so why are you so hateful towards me? You have never showed me the answer to this. I've given you some insluts, I'll admit that, but it's nothing like what you've thrown at me. I've been as kind as I can bring myself to be to you, and you've been as cruel as you possibly can. What I want to know, since it seems like I still have to clarify myself to you, is - what are your reasons for hating me so much? WHy do you call me Satan in the flesh? This is what I want you to provide scriptures for. I'm admitting to my mistake here - I made a statement without doing the proper investigation. I said you never used scripture and I was wrong. Ok, I was wrong about that. That doesn't make me a liar. A liar is someone who falsifies a known truth. I was not aware - I had forgotten. Really, all I want to know from you is what I just said. What are your reasons for being such a jerk to me? I want you to show me in scripture how I've been, as you say, Satan in the flesh.
I want to know how you can justify your hateful actions and then turn around and call yourself a Christian - a follower of Christ. As far as I'm concerned, you and I are on the same team. Why do you think otherwise?
You know what. I'm gonna give you what you want. I'm going to go away. Isn't that what you want? You can have the last word. You can win the fight. Because that's what it's turned into. A fight. If you want to say that I'm a liar and everythig I say is a lie; I can't stop you. I'm not going to try anymore. All I ever wanted from you was a solid reason for your cruelty towards me. I should have just been direct about it. I tried to get it out of you in an indirect way, and that was my mistake.
But I just want you to know that other than you being a jerk to me, I have nothing against you. You believe in Jesus and so do I. Jesus said that one of the reasons He called us was to instill His love within us. I can't help but love you. I'm sorry you think I'm Satan. There are only two points that you and I disagree on - Hell and free will. Other than that, it seems that we are pretty much in agreement.
So, here you go, VP. I'm going to leave you alone. I won't talk to you unless you come to one of my hubs and leave a comment or something. I'm not even going to return to this hub to see what you have to say about this. I wish you well. May God's grace bless your life.
Maestrowhit;
You will have to go and see for yourself why I am so upset at you. You can look at this hub, and you can look at your free will forum. It is all there to see, and there is a ton of it. I will let you in on something, though. I will post scripture when I want. You have no right to demand that I do it.
If I have erred in my opinions of the scriptures, then let me know. Have I erred? If not, then you may want to consider quitting thinking I may not know or need to quote scripture and verse. It takes wisdom to deal with others, and you need to correctly assess someone to deal with them. I know from your posts that you read me 100% wrong.
First, Maestrowhit, the atheists have asked that I not post scripture. So, I did not do it on your forum much, out of respect to their wishes. Here is why. When reading someone's religion talk (i.e. when I read Mohitmisra talking Hindu), I have to tune out, since I do not understand his language. The same holds true for atheists listening to Christianity, so I can discuss Christianity in common sense or through scriptures.
Also, I sometimes need to cover a lot of ground with you, not just one issue. This is reflected in the way you say so much wrong information so fast on a thread (no offense). So, I use common sense. Otherwise, the thread is onto another subject before I can reply.
Here is where you erred that really set the Christians off on your thread, though. You continued to insist that Mark Knowles, a fully and strongly professed atheist is saved. I have told you that that was a lie. Since you said it, you are the liar. Go see for yourself, though. You will see, if you can now read my posts.
I am just telling the truth, as best I can. On this hub, I continued to tell you the truth. You continued to insult me with lies and mean statements when I was right. If you had said maybe you needed to go check or something, I would not have reacted.
1Jo 3:14 We know that we have passed from death unto life, because we love the brethren. He that loveth not his brother abideth in death.
I realised I've not been the kindest person lately, I've had a lot of personal turmoil thru everything, but if all of you could lift my wife and I in prayer, we've hit a very, very rough spot where we literally need 3500 dollars and don't even have a chnace at it. We need it, that's all I'm going to say. I feel like crap because I've let depression hit me again, but I really need God's hand. Forgive me for being a douchebag for a few weeks and don't let that stand in the way of your prayers I so desperately covet. Thanks and God bless...
t.keeley,
We are praying for you. ~ eddie
Prayers are going up for you T.keeley.
TK;
I am sorry that this is happening to you, too. We will be praying for you here.
Please remember a few things. God is faithful, and He will take care of your needs. I know it is hard to focus on giving at a time of need, but continue to be helpful as it will return to you. Do not be hard on yourself. Many are going through very difficult financial times right now. God uses bad times for building character and growing in Him.
I know that financial struggles are tough, but you are a good man. We will be waiting to hear how God blesses you. My prayer team will lift you up to Him until told to do otherwise. God bless you, TK.
Thanks all. It's tough, VP to understand why or how God intends to use this. I've had so many things ripped from me in the last two years that struggles have become a regular part of life. It's almost like it hasn't relented, and while there were bouts of bitterness, the most I generally feel this time is emptiness. Then I realsie God promises provision for needs, and I am eagerly waiting for His answer.
Until then, I pray
Sir Dent, Christ is much better at saving mankind than me. You ask would I pull people out of some hypothetical fire if they kept going back in it. Well, first of all, physical fire would kill them and me eventually. However, symbolic fire purifies and leads to salvation. God will not let one unrepented sin pass without judgment. I think everybody will get the point. It will be very hot purifying fire of God. There will be no impurities left. It's not physical fire like the church has been teaching for 100s of years. Pretty easy to prove to those with their eyes open.
A quick question, Dan. Are we going through the same fire you speak of while we are alive now? If so, how can the next fire going to be different from the one we go through? If it isn't the same fire, then what is the difference between them?
Also know, I am taking a few days off from HubPages. I will check in from time to time but don't expect an answer back real quick.
I also would like to know why Dan nor Maestro even address ASU's news. No praise for God nor anything even remotely close. What's the deal guys?
ASU, I am happy for the news you brought. Cancer is a serious and deadly disease. it may be the worst disease there is, but God is greater than even cancer.
In closing this comment. Many say Lord, Lord, but Jesus knows them not. Many speak of what "I" know and what "I" believe. If we can only get self comepletely out of the way, then Jesus can show through us.
Well Eddie, I noticed that you address me here but you delete every single post I put on one of your hubs. I do believe most will enter the Lake of Fire. Of course this isn't physical or literal fire. I also believe that all will eventually come out of this Lake of Fire. Christ will save all as the scriptures assert. As far as our "splitting hairs"? I couldn't disagree more. Any teaching that God will roast people in literal fire for all eternity for "any reason", is sick and does not come from God. It is of the devil. I've heard every ridiculous comment to the contrary. You know, such as Satan doesn't want to go to hell alone, what's Christ saving people from, God must punish evil, etc. These, and evey other excuse for such a sick doctrine as hell should be flushed down the proverbial toilet, as they lack scriptural and spiritual understanding. By the way, if you're so self righteous that you refuse anyone contradicting your hell crap on your hubs, spare me the time of answering your twaddle about what christians are supposed to be doing. The most important thing to me is flushing the evil false doctrine of hell down the crap chute. In time, this doctrine will be burned up with God's all consuming fire.
It's good to hear that ASU received good news. I personally have a great spiritual friend who actually has full blown cancer and it will take a mirricle for him to recover. I do believe in mirricles. Anyway, I had to sift through Viral and Maestro's cyber slap fighting to find her post.
Dent, if the fire is from God then it's the same fire. There is fire in this life and if more is needed, there is fire in judgment. The Great White Throne Lake of Fire Judgment. It's great because it is huge (most of humanity). It is white because it is from God (didn't I mention something about spiritual brimstone at one time to you?). This Fire will try every mans works. Sinners will not remain sinners. By the way, what did Saul ever do to deserve salvation. Well, he was judged. Simple as that, man.
Oh, and Dent, before I forget:
If your own child kept screwing up despite your repeated chastisement of him, at what point would you decide to just torture him (not until he begs for mercy, not even until he dies) but forever. Oh yeah, punish him forever, why don't ya. That'll learn em.
Oh wait, your god's punishments have nothing to do with learning or correction, do they?
SirDent;
Nice comment to Dan and Maestrowhit. It is sad how the phonies lie. Dan claims that it was sooooo haaaaaaard to wade therough Maestrowhit's and my posts. Yes, there were two from Maestrowhit and one from me since Allshookup posted. Just arrogance, why? It is because God places such misery and unrest in the heart of those who fight against Him that behavior becomes irrational. God is great!
You know I get tired of pointing out all the thorns.
But Viral, you do not actually believe that God is great. I'm not fighting God. I'm fighting evil heresy.
Dan;
As you know I have a hub on hell. You and I battled there to no avail, with dozens of posts. You chose to leave, as the hub is still open, and none of your posts were deleted. You made this statement to me about that:
"For all I know, you are twisting his words like you did with me time and time again." Isn't is easy to recap past events as you wish they were? Why take such a childish approach? You know better...
My recap of my position to you in that thread is fairly simple. All major theologians, i.e. Billy Graham, Bill Hybels, Rick Warren, all believe in hell and said so. All major biblical translations contain hell. The KJV has it over 400 times, as does the modern translation, the Net Bible. The Bible ends with the warning to those who add to or take away from the Bible. I will stand with all the major religious institutions that there is a hell. I am confident that Jesus will forgive me if they were all wrong and I inadvertently added to the Bible. However, you chose the maverick route and spout that all are saved and there is no hell, despite no major source agreeing with you. That would be taking away from the Bible, if I am correct. The issue of salvation is best left to Jesus, don't you really think?
If you are wrong, Dan, your inheritance will not be the Kingdom of God (Rev 22:18). To deceive people that they are saved (when the Bible clearly says that they are not) is the riskiest of business and should be left for satan alone. Backing up a chapter to Rev 21, verse 8, it clearly states that the lake of burning fire, which I freely call hell, awaits for certain behaviors. I do not think it is wise to say that the Bible lies for nothing around it disclaims that verse. For me. I am just trying to aviod that destiny for me and others. So, I warn them that hell is real.
I will allow you one more post on the subject of hell on this hub to answer your last post on it. Then, I want to ask you to go back to that hub if you want to deal with hell anymore. I am more than willing to continue our debate. You know how to find that hub, but I try not to post links to my hubs, as I am trying to bless others here. Links get very diluted if overused, even on a page like this with much link power. This hub is a good place for people of faith to get prayer or reinforcement from brethren. I do not want it to just become a long, drawn out battle with 20 posts (probably the number of posts you left on the other hub on hell). OK, here is my one question for you:
Where does it say this? "Christ will save all as the scriptures assert." The key word in this sentence is the word "will". You are asserting that you know what Jesus will do and He will save everyone, regardless of their circumstances. You said it, not me.
You can refute my post once (ond my reply to that will be on my other hub), and I will refute yours once here (you can reply on my hell hub). This hub is not intended to be a discussion of salvation and hell, since I have a hub specifically for that issue. Again, I welcome you back there, and there will be only two more posts here about hell and salvation with you here.
Well, Dan;
You said, "But Viral, you do not actually believe that God is great."
Gee, I wonder why Eddie deletes your posts. What a sick dude you are, Dan. I would be on my knees if Eddie ever deleted my posts. You may be able to qualify for a group rate on therapy for your evil ways, though. It makes sense since two of you both believe in salvation for all and no hell.
I won't count this as your one hell post, since we were writing simultaneously, not that it matters or anything like that.
Dan, You may call me self righteous if you like. Here is the direct quote from my article. “This message is not posted here to start a fight. It is not posted to condemn or condone anyone”.
Your three posts were deleted because they were nothing more than insults. Rants with no explanation of what you were ranting about. One insult was directed at SirDent. At the time I assumed the other two were directed at me although you’ve given me reason here to believe that one of the two were directed at allshookup. I will not allow someone to come into my home and attack me or my friends and family. If that is self righteousness, then so be it.
V.P. seems to have no problem with this type of thing going here; I do have a problem with it on my hubs. Thus I responded to you here inviting an intelligent conversation and fellowship with you. Everyone here is more than welcome to read my post and PLEASE let me know if I insulted anyone – if I came across as self-righteous – if I was ranting or if I was inviting a debate.
Thank you for your partial response to my questions. (I noticed that you didn’t respond to the issue of “insulting” others). Unfortunately, you responded the way I thought you would with more insults.
Nevertheless, you did explain your position on the Lake of Fire. I learned years ago not to discuss Bible Doctrine with people who spiritualize scripture.
To those who spiritualizing scripture there is no point because the sequence presented in the book of Revelation can be changed to meaninglessness.
A thousand years can mean anything they want it to mean. The six days of creation doesn’t have to be 24 hour days. Death doesn’t have to be death. And anything else that God says in plain enough language can be spiritualized to mean what the reader wants it to say.
I know that there are places in scripture we need to take as symbolic if we are to make any sense of it, but mankind can easily get carried away with that and symbolize everything they don’t like thus making the Word of God of non effect.
Someone said and I agree; “When the common sense make good sense, seek no other sense”. If a thousand years makes sense, I’m not changing it. When a 24 hour day makes sense I’m not changing it. When God says forever, I take it to mean forever.
God created man with some measure of common sense, why do some insist in treating God as if He doesn’t have as much common sense as His creation?
Like we need to spiritualize what God says, because the God Who taught man to reason, doesn’t know how to express Himself. He needs us to explain what He means. I don’t think so.
Again, you may call me self-righteous if you like, but I am not here to listen to rants, to debate or to be insulted or allow my friends to be insulted.
As a matter of record, I will not respond to anymore of your rants and insults. Further, I can deny them on my post as easy as you can write them. But God forbid that I should cease to pray for you. ~ eddie
Psa 133:1 <A Song of degrees of David.> Behold, how good and how pleasant it is for brethren to dwell together in unity!
Psa 133:2 It is like the precious ointment upon the head, that ran down upon the beard, even Aaron's beard: that went down to the skirts of his garments;
Psa 133:3 As the dew of Hermon, and as the dew that descended upon the mountains of Zion: for there the LORD commanded the blessing, even life for evermore.
John 4:42
. . . for we have heard Him ourselves and know that this is truly the Christ, the Savior of the world.
John 12:32
And, I, if I be lifted up out of the earth, will draw, all, unto myself.
Rom 11:26
And so all Israel shall be saved; as it is written, “There shall come out of Zion the Deliverer, and He will turn away ungodliness from Jacob.
Rom 11:31-32
For God has shut up all in unbelief, so that He might show mercy to all.
1 Cor. 3:15
If anyone’s work shall be burned up, he will forfeit it, yet he shall be saved, yet thus, as through fire
1 Tim 2:4
“For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior: Who will (thelo) have all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth. (Thelemo means desire)
1 Tim. 2:3-6
Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus who gave Himself a ransom for ALL to be testified in due time.
1 Tim 4:10
For to this we both labor and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Preserver of all men, specially (first) of those who believe.
2 Pet 3:9
The Lord is not slow concerning His promise, as some count slowness, but is long-suffering toward us, not purposing that any of us should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
1 John 2:2
And, he, is, a propitiation, concerning our sins, --and, not concerning our own only, but, also concerning those of the whole world
1 John 4-14
And we have seen and testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Savior of the world.
John 9:4
“I must work the works of Him that sent me”. . .
1 Tim. 1:15
Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners
Habakkuk 214
For the earth shall be filled with the knowledge of the glory of the LORD, as the Waters cover the sea.
By the way:
I think Paul mentioned the theologians of this world when he said, immediatelly at my departing shall wolves enter into the church . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Not 2000 years later. As far as your Pasquels wager of "what if you're wrong", let me remind you that the Moslems are certain of their beliefs and they believe christians will be sent to their hell. So, what if you're wrong!! Let me also state, their hell in the quaran actualy appears to mean what it says. Their book is a total scam. The bible could not be corrupted quite so much as to state the horrific lies in the quaran, which were borrowed from the worst of pagan teachings dating back to ancient Egypt, designed to keep society in submission to government. But, these evil teachings found their way into "christianity" and the translators of the KJ could not have gotten the bible to the masses without corrupting those particular verses to protect such a lousy false doctrine. Anyway, I've only scratched the surface for the proof against this worldy garbage of modern day babylon. There are much more accurate translations than the KJ (Concordant, Rotherham, etc). And I don't give a false doctrine hell about whether the babylonian church system indorses them.
Tell you what, you Viral, go back to your hub where we went back and forth for a month, and you will notice that I have restated everything over and over. You may also note that you did in fact twist things that I said over and over. Just now, I noticed again, that you think that I said that all "have" been saved, as in, already. Wow, then you prove that there is in fact a Lake of Fire in the scriptures. Go back and read my posts. I backed the truth of the LOF. And as far as what you are allowing me to do? Well, the Lake of Fire will not be a pleasant experience, but right now, I will allow you, Viral, to just go jump into a lake. Any lake.
Eddie;
Thanks for your wise counsel on the events that we are dealing with. You said, "V.P. seems to have no problem with this type of thing going here." I do not want to take that as an incictmernt of me, but I do very much have trouble with all of the fights that I get into on hubpages. I feel bad about it. I did not come here to fight, but I will not back away from one either, I guess, which I regret. I feel my relationship being strained with the ones that I try to never do anything but support as best I can. Maybe that is just my insecurity, maybe not. Still, I am very much troubled by it, and I pray consistently that things will improve.
I do not mean anything negative by these comments, Eddie, nor do I think you did. Certainly, if there is an issue, though, I am very open to dealing with it. I hope you see that I do not want this here, as I gave a time limit to Dan to resolve the hell issue on this hub.
Thank you for being there for us all. I am very glad that we are working together.
Eddie, Revelations is a book of symbols. It says this. I think it is obvious that the entire bible is spiritual. This means that the meanings are as invisible to those not given the eyes to see as the very God that inspired them. Yes, God is physically invisible. Seeing God for what He is comes from the gift of the holy spirit. You speak of God using literal words like six days of creation and such. Hey, if you want to believe that the Earth is 6000 years old then I won't bother you. However, day was rarely if ever described as a 24 hour period in the scriptures. It was used to denote the period of light. And besides, the entire creation was described as happening in a day (I think the scripture says in the day that the heavens and the earth were made, or something). What about the day of judgment?
But what I can't let go is when people parrot that Christ said this or that when it is incorrectly translated from the ancient Greek. Christ never once said the word hell which originally meant to cover in old English. He absolutelly never spoke of this horrific doctrine invented by the worst of pagans. He also never said that judgment would last forever. This is rather easy to prove as there are several scriptures that use aion and aionios that couldn't possibly mean forever.
The term aions is used below in ways that when the rest is translated properly, forever or eternity would never make sense.
Before the aions: 1 Cor. 2:7 (before the eternities?)
God makes the aions Heb. 1:2 (God makes the forevers?)
Past aions: Col. 1:26 (Past eternities)
Present aion: Gal. 1:4 (Present forever)
End of present aion: Mat. 24:3 (End of present eternity)
The next aion: Lk. 18:30 (The next forever?)
Future aions: Eph. 2:7 (Future eternities?)
Contrasting aions: Eph. 3:21 (Contrasting forevers?)
Ends of the aions: 1 Cor.10:11 (Ends of the eternities?)
And many more.
So Eddie, if you don't have a spiritual mind, that's OK with me. Christ has not given you one, yet. But translation problems have little to do with spiritual things. When they are purposely done, they are nothing short of evil deception. But when something cannot make sence due to improper word usage, we cannot believe that they are the words of God. The God inspired word does not speak of things happenning before the eternities (changed to world). The God inspired word does not speak of plural eternities (only eons can be plural and there was no word for eternity in the day of Christ).
But what the word never ever could have said is that the unrighteous will be turned into hell. It does speak of people returning to Sheol (return to the unseen or to the dust of the Earth).
So, sometimes one doesn't have to compare scriptures to find their true meaning or see spiritual meanings of scriptures, to notice that certain phrases don't line up when compared to their orginals. If you just think about these things you will see that the KJ is not the inerant word of God. So, I ask you to stop putting words into the mouth of Christ that He would never, ever say.
My best friend is Christ and I will not stand idly by while His word is insulted the way it is.
VP,
I meant nothing personal toward you with that statement. I was simply answering Dan's statement about my commenting to him here and denying his comments on my hub. You and I know that we have already established our different approaches to the will of God for our individual calling.
I have felt your concerns about the fights. Please remember that is what Satan wants. He will bring people in to attack us and our ministry. Some will be atheist and some will be Christians, but they will still be instruments of Satan at that moment in time. (I’m trying to be clear without opening up another can of worms). If we succumb to these attacks, we are the losers.
Let’s not lose sight of our calling here. I’m going to do a study to be clear on my position, but I do not see Jesus, Peter or Paul or any of the saints as ALWAYS honoring the enemy with a reply. The only way to be certain is to honor God’s Word with study. Again, that is not meant as a criticism to your approach, but an encouragement to back off when you feel it to be in God’s will.
But even if Jesus did respond to the enemy, I don’t take that as a requirement for me. I am no longer wired that way. As you can see, I did reveal some righteous indignation in my last post. I try to avoid that because it can easily be misunderstood as judgmental.
You have always been kind toward me. And I appreciate you, Darlene and SirDent more than any of you will ever know in this life. ~ eddie
Just for the record, I do see that while I was typing Dan addressed a post to me. I have no intention of honoring his rants and insults by reading it. Nor do I ask anyone to waste their precious ministry time by trying to defend me. As anyone can see there will be no end to his endless attacks and since he can symbolize scripture to suit himself there is no winning debates.
I'm only a servant of the Lord and I must be about my Father's business.
Thanks for the Christian love I feel here. ~ eddie
Eddie? Hello? Eddie, knock knock? You. . . . . . . .. . . . . . . . you say that you don't spiritualize scripture? What? Did I hear you correctly? Hey!!! My God I don't think that he can hear me. Yo!! Snap snap. Eddie? Um. . . . . .. care to qualify your statements with scripture??? Eddie??
Where's the Bee?!!!
I don't think anybody's back there.
Eddie!!!! Ed!!! Answer me!!!!
Geee. . . . . . ah. . . . . . . . .Hey Ed!!!
The words of Christ are "spirit".
Ed? I can't take it. You must read what I right in order for my puny carnal self esteem to survive.
Ed!!!? You've just become the poster child for the entire church!!! You. . . . . . . . . . . .care to comment on that. . . . . . . .um. . . . . . . . . .Ed? No wonder people believe in that hell BS. I do have one question, though. If you take the words of scripture as one word at a time literal, why don't you check the originals and do this? Why do you claim to study scripture but you do no such thing? Why do your beliefs line up so perfectly with blind theolgians when it comes to the major doctrines of the church, but you don't literally see that the 2000 or so separate denominations can't really agree on anything else? Ed? I seek your worldly wisdom on this matter. Your years are twice mine. I need you to set me straight on why you say hell is to be taken literally, when the word itself meant to cover 400 years ago?? And then you think it speaks of some damnable eternal torture chamber spoken of by Christ. Tell me. I'm all ears. . . . .eyes.
I don't care if you read my posts. Maybe somebody not thoroughly indoctrinated by modern day babylon will read them. That's spiritual babylon to you.
God be with you until you can see.
Dan;
Here is the last reply about hell to you on this hub:
John 4:42. . . for we have heard Him ourselves and know that this is truly the Christ, the Savior of the world.
Yes, Jesus is the Savior of the world. How absurd that you think that refutes the whole Bible, and even the chapter before in the same book of the Bible. No sensible religious scholar would even think that this does that. Back up a chapter and read in John 3:18, …but whoever does not believe in him (Jesus) stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name of God’s one and only son.
John 12:32“And, I, if I be lifted up out of the earth, will draw, all, unto myself.”
Truly Jesus draws all men, but not all men respond and come to Jesus, wouldn’t you agree? If they do not come, they are not saved. They will go to hell. All men are indeed drawn by Jesus. As Eddie correctly spoke, it is our job to spread that word, not argue with each other here.
Romans 11:26And so all Israel shall be saved; as it is written, “There shall come out of Zion the Deliverer, and He will turn away ungodliness from Jacob.
Romans chapter 11 is the story of God’s dealing with Israel. This is not an easy passage to understand if you have your bias. It can only be interpreted in the context of the whole chapter. If you took this literally, then Israel will be saved, not its people though. Even if you stretch this to the people, then you are still incorrect that all are saved, just the Jews. The Jews do not even believe in the New Testament as a whole. How can anyone think that God would single out the very group that rejects Jesus as the ones saved? Surely you are smart enough to see that that makes no sense whatsoever.
Rom 11:31-32For God has shut up all in unbelief, so that He might show mercy to all.
The key word is “might”. He might show mercy IF they repent and follow Jesus. He might sentence them to eternal hell.
1 Cor. 3:15If anyone’s work shall be burned up, he will forfeit it, yet he shall be saved, yet thus, as through fire.
1 Corinthians talks of the church divisions in Corinth. These are believers that he is speaking to. That is set up in 1 Corinthians 1. I give Eddie a different message than an atheist, right? In that context, 1 Cor 3:15 refers to the works being burned up that are not worthy works, i.e. helping the poor. He will still be saved if he is saved, and these people Paul spoke to are saved. Lack of good works will not affect salvation.
1 Tim 2:4“For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior: Who will (thelo) have all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth. (Thelemo means desire.
That is a good try on this one, but the slight of hand did not go unnoticed. I note, though, that you have enough respect for me to know that I will catch you. So, you try to defend your incorrect translation. Your word, thelo, does not mean “will”. It means want to:
1) to will, have in mind, intend1a) to be resolved or determined, to purpose
1b) to desire, to wish1c) to love
1c1) to like to do a thing, be fond of doing
1d) to take delight in, have pleasure
1 Tim. 2:3-6Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus who gave Himself a ransom for ALL to be testified in due time.
Same slight of hand, same result. I can change the translations of the Bible and make it mean anything. That is just grasping for straws. Thelo will not mean “will”, no matter how many times you lie about it.
1 Tim 4:10For to this we both labor and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Preserver of all men, specially (first) of those who believe.
This sure does not say that all will be saved. Rather, it singles out those who believe as is consistent with all of the Bible. All men and women do only have one savior, Jesus, although many people do not realize that. Still, not all people will accept the gift Jesus offers, it appears. At any rate, salvation is known by God totally, and it is administered by Jesus for those who believe and follow Him only.
2 Pet 3:9The Lord is not slow concerning His promise, as some count slowness, but is long-suffering toward us, not purposing that any of us should perish, but that all should come to repentance.Again, it is not His purpose for any of us to perish. That is simple enough. He wants all to come to repentance, too. The point of this is that if people do not come to repentance, they will perish (better known as going to hell).
1 John 2:2And, he, is, a propitiation, concerning our sins, --and, not concerning our own only, but, also concerning those of the whole world
Yes, Jesus is the judge of the whole world. Are you now just using silly stuff. I will go another scripture or two. Then , if you do not make a point that all are saved and there is no hell, I will call it quits, I guess.
1 John 4-14And we have seen and testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Savior of the world.
Ho, hum, this is the same point. Jesus is the one and only savior. Those who do not accept Him will go to hell.
John 9:4“I must work the works of Him that sent me”. . .
That has nothing to do with this.
1 Tim. 1:15Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinnersThat is true that Jesus is the savior. Those who do not accept Him will not inherit the Kingdom of God, though.
Habakkuk 214For the earth shall be filled with the knowledge of the glory of the LORD, as the Waters cover the sea.
Wow, that is really stretching things.
Well, that is it, Dan. There is still a hell and all are still not saved. These are carefully chosen scriptures to try to deceive believers, but believers know who to follow, guys like Billy Graham, Bill Hybels and Rick Warren. They know how to read the Bible, not add to the scriptures or take away from them. Through their faith in Jesus and following Him, they work out their salvation, so they will not go to hell.
I am very upset with your idiotic treatment of Eddie. I may entertain a little more of this on my hell hub, I don’t know. I will absolutely not tolerate any more of that nastiness on this hub.
Just checking in to say hi. Been a busy day. Hope all of you are doing well.
So an update on the crisis in my life:
We're not any closer to getting the money today as we were yesterday...anyone know of any old, rich estranged uncles I've never met before? lol
God will provide, but I will admit it's hard to believe it sometimes.
Dan,
though my inferior intelect may prove to be unuseful amid this scholarly debate, I would say that no mater how one is to interpert a word used in or out of it's context, I might be so bold as to say the following;
It is important that we should understand the reasons and causes of our exposure to the vicissitudes of life and of death, and the designs and purposes of God in our coming into the world, our sufferings here, and our departure hence. What is the object of our coming into existance, and then dying and falling away, to be here no more? It is reasonable to suppose that God would reveal somthing in refrence to the matter, and it is a subject that we ought to study more than any other. We ought to study it day and night because the world is ignorant in refrence to their true condition and relation to God.
We came to this earth to obtain a body and present it pure before God in his Kingdom. The great principle of happiness consists in having a body. The devil has no body, and herein lies his punnishment. He is pleased when he can obtain a body, and when cast out by the savior he asked to go into a herd of swine, showing that he would prefer to have a swine's body than to having none. All beings that have bodies therefore have power over those who do not. Salvation is for man to be saved from all of his enemies, and until he can triumph over death, he is not saved.
Good morning to all my Christian family, last night, just before I retired for the evening I was greeted with praise from allshookup on my Psalms of Praise hub. First thing this morning I was greeted with praise from Rob. What a life!
Allshookup,
Good to see you back.
t.keeley,
I would like to know that rich uncle, I would send him your way, but you and I both know One Who owns the cattle on a thousand hills. Keeping you in prayer.
Onusonus,
Talk about “inferior intellect”, I had to read your post twice to understand. You aren’t the one with “inferior intellect” my friend.
To all my friends and family.
Thank you for your love and support. Let us rejoice in that we are counted worthy to suffer shame for His Name. And let us pray that if we are ever called upon to suffer as the apostles and prophets did that God will provide the grace.
I’ve stayed true to my statement and have not honored Dan by reading his replies. I spent the day yesterday in God’s Word. Traffic on my hub went up though, so it brings to memory the point I’ve made before.
Elvis Presley was told to ignore the critics they will have you laughing all the way to the bank. I’m not laughing all the way to the bank, but I’m rejoicing in that folks are reading the Word of God as shared by this old farm boy.
Billy Graham once said that if he spent his time answering his critics he would never get anything done. The Bible College where I attended in the 70’s had many critics of Billy Graham. I still see Billy Graham in the news but I’ve not seen any of his critics around.
I am slowly narrowing in my hubs to focus on one subject and that is the gospel of Jesus Christ.
1 Corinthians 2:1-5
And I, brethren, when I came to you, did not come with excellence of speech or of wisdom declaring to you the testimony of God. For I determined not to know anything among you except Jesus Christ and Him crucified. I was with you in weakness, in fear, and in much trembling. And my speech and my preaching were not with persuasive words of human wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power, that your faith should not be in the wisdom of men but in the power of God. NKJV
Blessings ~ eddie
Good morning.
It is good to see positive comments to start the day. I see humility, and I honor it is the big picture. Both you guys are terrific blessings to me. I am so glad that you keep coming back. Thanks for blessing my day!
Allshookup;
Hopefully, you are taking it easy. It is always terrific to see you here. We continue to pray for your recovery.
SirDent;
Hopefully, you are enjoying your "vacation". I miss you, and my prayers go out to Him to give you His will for you. As Onusonus said (or something like this), my vote is to "stay".
Wow, Eddie;
The story of your salvation and journey is awesome. I can't say enough that everyone needs to check that one out! Thanks for letting us in on it...
Oh come now, Viral. I was just messing with Ed. Alot of people can see my humor. Maybe not people as hard as diamonds, though. Besides, he didn't read it anyway. Basically, I'm done answering your twisting of my words. I think I've made it clear what my stance is on judgment and salvation. If you think that I have already assumed all are saved immediatelly at the resurection then you haven't understood a word I've said. I never said the Jewish people had a place in the Kingdom waiting for them. But as the first will become last and the last will become first, it's clear that they will be there, eventually. See you there. Hopefully sooner than later.
Onus, it wasn't Satan that went into a heard of swine. I'm not sure if you see what I've been saying. Ditto what I said to Viral, ditto what I've said to Ed, to Dent, to ASU and every other who. I think what I have been spiritually shown over the last few years actually makes this physical life meaningful. God has a purpose with each and every one of us. There is absolutelly no purpose in creating people so that they can be burned in some fabled hell for all eternity, because he made them too ignorant or something. It also aint scriptural. So ditto everything I've said on all of these blogs again and again.
Allshookup;
Any news from the doctor? We continue to pray that the results will be perfect. We are also praying that you are recovering and feeling better all the time.
TK;
We are still praying for a solution on your car. I wish I was a mechanic so I could give you some advice. I was in the auto business for all my life, but I cannot change my own oil hardly. Any good news yet?
Secondsamuel;
I don't know if you are still around, but if so, we are praying that you will get a breakthrough. Sorry I didn't seem to help out much.
When My younger Twin daughter was born, she had a hole in her heart that was bleeding, and was also suffering from a disorder that caused her heart to pump at over two hundred beats per minute. One night a few days after her birth we got a call from the hospital, that she had stoped breathing. I promptly went from the hotel which we were staying at and came to her. I saw her being shoved face first into an ice bath by the nurse to slow her heart rate.
Now when I was younger I went to the patriarch of my church and he gave me a blessing that I would recieve the Gift of healing amid other personal revelations that would be fulfilled if I kept my faithfulness to the Lord.
Back to the hospital; I cleared the room from the nurses and drew the curtain shut so that I would not be disturbed. Looking down at my own trembling hands, I reached into the incubator and quietly administered to the exhausted child. I closed the prayer and to my astonishment at that very moment, her heart rate went back to normal. I sat and watched as the numbers on the monitor fell rapidly into a low percentile, and a safe range.
Soon the nurse came back in to find the child nestled in my arms, I remember when she exclaimed, "I think it worked." afterwards an exray showed that the hole in her heart had closed by itself and from that moment, she never had another episode again.
Some say it was a coincidence, maybe so. But I believe that the Lords timing is much more accurate than a chance occurance, I call this, the tender mercies of the Lord.
Psa 118:26 Blessed be he that cometh in the name of the LORD: we have blessed you out of the house of the LORD.
Good Morning my Friends. Just stopping by to see how everything is going.
Onusonus;
That is a wonderful illustration of the power that God has given us. We have more power than Jesus in those who choose to follow Him. John 14:12 is a verse often ignored. He cast out demons and worked miracles for the needy and poor. We need to exercise our faith in Him to fulfill His will in our lives.
I find it ironic that the atheists here just don't get it. They wait for God to show Himself to them. They say that if He showed Hiimself, they might believe. Yet, the Bible makes it crystal clear that all His power is available to those who believe. How many times can we say to them that it all starts with faith. Faith was your choice. You had it, and you did His will.
Thank you for sharing that example of the work that we can do. I think that my new closing line will be "keep the faith". It is like saying that with that all things can be done through Him.
That is one of those "God bumps" stories. So, keep the faith.
SirDent;
It is great to see you here. That scripture really goes hand-in-hand with the story from Onusonus. I pray that all is well.
What a coincidence that you should mention atheist, Last night I was praying for an atheist at my work. We always have little discussions about religion but sometimes he just seems to have a heart of stone. I asked, Will he ever be converted? Then the story of Paul's conversion literally popped into my head. His name just happens to be Paul, Go figure!
Onusonus;
I should have included the next two verses of John 14. that is John 14:12-14:
I tell you the solemn truth, the person who believes in me will perform the miraculous deeds that I am doing, and will perform greater deeds than these, because I am going to the Father. And I will do whatever you ask in my name, so that the Father may be glorified in the Son. If you ask me anything in my name, I will do it.
As far as my car is concerned, I'm still waiting on the first thousand to even order the engine we need. After that the money would amount up to an additional 2500 or so to do the work and buy the engine, so the total is 3500 for the engine (1800), the clutch (350), and the labour. Prayer is still coveted on the matter, it's been a whole business week and nothing has happened.
TK;
We continue to pray for you. I am sorry that you are still not able to afford to fix your car. Things are super slow here, too.
Anyone got any hints? Other than God working it out...which even with hints He's still working out....geez god isn't logical. Glad I'm not paying him to be...lol.
Seriously, though, any logical earthly hints or helps, regardless of God's plan (because I believe it will come to frutition regardless), is much appreciated. :)
TK;
We used to have a group that helped needy people in our church. We were rignt at the point of forming a men's ministry that fixed cars for members that needed help. It never took off, but I would sure be checking with local ministries if you can't quickly earn the extra funds needed.
As to the car, check EBay for a deal on the parts. We had a lady blessed a couple of months with a running car for free on our Freecycle group. If you can get temporary transportation, it will at least postpose raising the extra money. Check around for a good mechanic that will work for less if possible. These are just basics, but these are the types of things I am praying will bless you.
Consider that God may be telling you something He wants you to know about your finances with this trial. Only you know... We will continue to pray.
Amo 5:4 For thus saith the LORD unto the house of Israel, Seek ye me, and ye shall live:
TK I have no idea what to say about your car. The price seems a little too high to me. Have you checked around to see if some could do the word for less money?
Hey everyone.
VP, I haven't heard anymore than the news I got earlier in the week that I shared with all of you. Which was all good!!! They are making me take it easy for a couple weeks. He said 6 weeks, but I'm hoping for less.
And it was demons that were sent into the swine. Dan, read the story. Because you don't want there to be a real Hell doesn't make it go away. I hope you realize that before it's too late for you. Hell is mentioned more in the Bible that Heaven is. I'm not sure why you keep trying to make yourself and others believe that there is no Hell when it is plainly explained in the Bible. Which is God's Word and His instruction Book for us. I know what you believe as you have commented many times on my hubs. But please read the Bible and allow God to speak to you as you read it. Take His Word for it, not mine.
Onusonus, what a wonderful story of how God works. Thank God He is still in the miracle business!!! Thanks for sharing that with us! I'm so thankful that you have the kind of faith you do in God. You can now see the reward! That's soooooo aweseome! We all need to have that type of faith. Wonder what we could do if we did!?!?
SirDent, great posts as always. Great to see you!
ASU, if you want to assume that Satan and demons are all the same then you can pretend that I misspoke. Demons went into the Swine? No crap!! The poster was inventing a silly and unscriptural annalogy to show that Satan and man choose to. . . .? (hell, it's not worth explaining). Anyway, I find it revealing that those who despise the whole notion of a god sending people to some eternal torture chamber, are the one's that are shown, at least some scriptural truth to the contrary. I don't just want such a doctrine to be false, I know scripturally that such a doctrine is false. Notice I said doctrine and not hell. Hell is no more than a mistranslation of 2 Hebrew and 2 Greek words (used only 54 times in the KJ bible). They could have used the word whoop and it would still be the same mistranslation. So, why do you think it is spoken of more than heaven? Do you include all uses of sheol and Hadees? Or do you include terms that you think are related to this false doctrine of hell? Either way, it is you that seems to be OK with a god that would create idiot man and give him some free will to choose him or reject him. Ridiculous beyond measure. I'm sorry for your health concerns but it's not your physical body that I believe is sick. Thank God, that the Son will heal all spiritual sickness.
Demons are those who chose to follow Lucifer instead of God. I take it that you have read this? Like them, we have the free will to choose who to follow. It's up to us. I don't understand why you keep saying that God is sending anyone to hell. He doesn't send anyone, they choose Heaven or Hell. We all have that option. And if we don't choose God, then we choose Lucifer. There are only 2 options in this world/life. And God gives us the choice. He doesn't force us to love and serve Him. It's ok that you don't believe that my physical body is sick. Again, because you don't believe it doesn't make my blood clot disappear. Although I wish it would. Because we decide we are not going to believe something doesn't make it real or not real. God loves us enough that He warns us of what Hell will be like should we choose to go there, likewise He tells us of the joys of Heaven should we pick that option. It's up to us where we spend eternity. I'm thankful that I have already made that decision. God didn't create an 'idiot man', He made us in His image. But yes, He did give us free will. He will not drag anyone kicking and screaming into Heaven. Eternity is your choice: Smoking or non-smoking
These things I have spoken unto you, that in Me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer, I have overcome the world.
John 16:33
~Jesus is our Joy forever~
I'm not denying what you say concerning your health. What I'm saying is your spiritual health needs way more help than your physical body. I realize that to answer the most blasphamis teaching in the history of mankind, I must deflect all kinds of other nonscriptural church teachings. Above you have shown your scriptural ignorance again with your belief that Satan is actually a fallen angel named Lucifer (important for churciology for reasons I hope to show). The next is the most accepted of all false doctrines: That would be the doctrine of free will which is defined as the ability to make uncaused choices. But what do the scriptures say?
Jer 10:23
. . . . . I know that the way of man is not in himself: it is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.
Jer. 13:23
Can the Ethiopian change his skin, or the leopard his spots? Then may ye also do good, that are accustomed to do evil?
Rom. 3:11
Not one is seeking out God
Rom. 2:4
“the goodness of God leads you to repentance”
John 15:16
Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you.
John 6:44
No one can come to Me if ever the Father Who sends Me should not be drawing (dragging) him.
Eph. 1:4
He (God) chooses us in Him (Christ)
Rom. 11:7
What Israel is seeking for, this she did not encounter, yet the chosen encountered it. Now the rest were calloused.
Rom 11:8
God gives them a spirit of stupor, eyes not to be observing, and ears not to be hearing, till this very day.
Psa. 76:10
Surely the wrath of man shall praise thee, the remainder of wrath shalt thou restrain.
Phil. 2:13
For it is God which works in you both to will and to do of His good pleasure.
Rom. 12:4
God parts to each the measure of faith.
James 1:17
Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.
Rom. 9:19-24
You will be protesting to me, then, Why, then, is He still blaming? For who has withstood His intention? (everyone has withstood His will, but nobody has withstood His intention) . . . . Why do you make me thus? Or has not the potter the right over the clay, out of the same kneading to make one vessel, indeed, for honor, yet one for dishonor? . . . . . . the vessels of indignation, adapted for destruction, it is that He should also be making known the riches of His glory on the vessels of mercy, . . . (Concordant Literal Translation)
Acts 13:47-48
For this is what the Lord has commanded us: I have made you a light for the Gentiles, that you may bring salvation to the ends of the earth. When the Gentiles heard this, they were glad and honored the word of the Lord; and all who were appointed for eternal (eionian) life believed.
Pro 16:9 The mind of man plans his way, But the Lord directs his steps. (We have plans, not God. He already knows.)
Ecc 1:15
If something is crooked, it can’t be made straight: if something isn’t there, it can’t be counted.
Ecc 6:10
Whatever exists has already been named, and what man is has been known; no man can contend with one who is stronger than he.
Isa 55:11
So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.
Pr. 20:24 Man’s steps are ordained by the Lord; how then can man understand his way?
Job 14:16
For now thou numberest my steps dost thou not watch over my sin?
Job 32:8
But it is the spirit in man, the breath of the Almighty, that makes him understand.
“Then began He to upbraid the cities wherein most of the mighty works were done, because they repented not: Woe unto you, Chorazin! Who unto you, Bethsaide! For if the mighty works (not some free will), which were done in you, had been done in Tyre and Sidon, they would have repented long ago in sackcloth and ashes.
But I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for Tyre and Sidon at the day of judgment, (Judgment, not hell) than for you And you, Capernaum, which art exalted into heaven, shall be brought down to hell (hades). (Similar to the Lucifer hoax where he is thrown out of heaven. Again, church theology fails.)
For if the mighty works, which have been done in you, had been done in Sodom, it would have remained until this day. But I say unto you, That it shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom in the day of judgment, than for you.
Rom. 8:2
For the law of the spirit of life in Christ Jesus have made me free from the law of sin and death.
1 Cor. 2:14
But the natural man receives not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
There is so much more to be said to prove scriptural problems with church teachings, but I expect that you won't even accept these. There are 100s of more proofs that nobody can go against the purposes of God. This includes the unscriptural notion that some perfect angel named Lucifer decided through some nonscriptural and psychologically impossible free will, to become Satan. Choices are inspired. In other words, they are caused through several things not readily visible to those making the choices.
I assure you. There is nothing surrounding those scriptures that changes their meanings. If you don't like it when I have answers for your unscriptural church talk, I would suggest you not discuss these things with me any furthur.
Dan;
That is very funny as usual. There is not one word of what you ever post that would lead anyone with biblical knowledge to think there is no hell. I think I will just start opening up the Bible and posting anything there in response to you. That is how relevent your scriptures are. I totally refuted your scriptures, and instead of replying to me, like a man, you decide maybe you can whoop up on a sick lady. You are so pitiful, but she is wise to you, too, Dan.
Dan, all your lies are too repulsive for me to post anymore. I warned you of that before. As I built my shed today, all this crap from you was posted, so I let it go.
You are totally wrong that there is no hell. Let me warn you again that the penalty is very severe for those who add or take away from the Bible. That is exactly what you are doing, Dan. I read all your scriptures, and I posted the truth about them. There was not one single scripture that made your point if you really know the Bible. However, many single scriptures taken out of context can be misleading, as Allshookup wisely pointed out. You are batting zero against me, zero against SirDent, and now zero against Allshookup. Eddie had the good sense to just blow you off.
I would not be so harsh, but really Dan, a woman who just got out of surgery to fight? I am sure you would kick her super cute dog if you could get at her...
Ummm, Dan, that's what I said to you. That my conversation with you about this subject is over. Please see my last post and you'll see that I did say that to you. :) You will be in my prayers though.
VP, if he did come at her, he'd better be careful, Muffin would lick his face off! LOL She's a mad kisser!
Allshookup;
That is so cute, "kiss his face off." She is so adorable.
Awww thanks. We love her very much. She helps me a whole lot, really more than I can explain. She's our baby. I'm thankful we have her. She's laying here on the couch watching me type right now. Hopefully she's proof reading for me as I make a ton of mistakes typing!
AAAuuugghh, Viral, if God were keeping score I believe that I would have won the World Series against you and your idiotic false refutations of me. And then you claim that I'm picking on people? Wow!! If you check you will see that I'm mostly just answering people who throw unscriptural nonsense at me. And once I answered for that other guy who doesn't seem interested in debate with ya'll. I haven't once backed down to any of the churchian bland statements of you guys.
I will say this one more time for those who haven't yet gotten it. Your misunderstandings of scripture are very, very, very common in this world. Your theologians are fulfilling scriptural prophesey with their blind statements not found in scripture. Do you know how few is few, Viral? Do you believe that 2000,000,000 Christians alive today is few? I recommend that you rethink your position that all of these false church leaders are teaching truth. I would say that few if any of them do. They, you, ya'll, yous people, are the many spoken of in the bible. Very few actually accept the real truths. So spare me the chore of listing some of the more idiotic statements of your blind worldly theolgians. I would just be wasting more time because you probably wouldn't believe they said them anyway. First before you can refute even one statement I have made, you will have to understand what it is I said. You have shown that you just don't get it!! For the umteenth time, I'm done. Until you feel compeled to spew more nonsense my way, that is.
Psalms 4:8 - Psalm I will both lay me down in peace, and sleep: for thou, LORD, only makest me dwell in safety.
Devil, Demons, I'm not a Philidelphia lawer!
Never the less, if men would acquire salvation, they have got to be subject, before they leave this world, to certain rules and principles, which were fixed by an unalterable decree before the world was. The orginization of the spiritual and heavenly beings, was agreeable to the most perfect order and harmony; Their limits and bounds were irrevocably, and voluntarily subscribed to in their heavenly estate by themselves, and were by our first parents subscribed to upon the face of the Earth. Hence the importance of embracing and subscribing to principles of eternal truth by all men on the Earth that expect eternal life.
Vp, I just went back and read that scrupture you provided me a couple days ago. Asking your pardon for the astounding delay in response. That is one of the nicest things that anyone has ever said to me! Or at least in the top ten... thanks!
Good morning to my family and friends,
Sorry I've not been by lately. Very busy.
Seems that almost all of my hubs got traffic. I have no idea where it came from just happy to see it.
Thanks to all who came by and commented, especially on my personal testimony.
Barbie gave me a bug yesterday, said she didn't want it. She gave it to me before the granddaughters got here so she could have them to herself.
Mar 9:19 He answereth him, and saith, O faithless generation, how long shall I be with you? how long shall I suffer you? bring him unto me.
Good morning my friends in Christ.
Onusonus;
"Devil, Demons, I'm not a Philidelphia lawer!" You don't need to be. You have what it takes!
Never the less, if men would acquire salvation, they have got to be subject, before they leave this world, to certain rules and principles, which were fixed by an unalterable decree before the world was. The orginization of the spiritual and heavenly beings, was agreeable to the most perfect order and harmony; Their limits and bounds were irrevocably, and voluntarily subscribed to in their heavenly estate by themselves, and were by our first parents subscribed to upon the face of the Earth. Hence the importance of embracing and subscribing to principles of eternal truth by all men on the Earth that expect eternal life.
I will be stealing and using that. I will call it the Declaration of Dependence. Your talent is remarkable.
Eddie;
It is good to see you back. I am glad that you are getting hub traffic. Sometimes that is good, and sometimes that is bad, lol. So, I hope it is also good traffic...
It is good to see all the gang around, in the last day. Lots of other good folks have stopped by, but I guess most do not have the time to update us.
I have been on a big project here. Hopefully, you all know that we run a little ministry that is almost 15 years old now. Wow, how time flies. We continue to work with that, and our progress is steady.
I gutted and rebuilt my home about seven years ago when I bought it. It is just a modest farm house in an upscale community. We are the last of the community dirt farmers, we like to call ourselves. I had a gambrel barn and two sheds. I turned the barn into another house (70% done). I finished off the one solid shed. I build another shed, which has my workshop.
I tore down the old tin shed a few weeks ago, since it was on a dirt floor. The studs were rotted, and it leaked where the washers fell off the nails. I am putting in a concrete and brick floor. Then I will build a proper shed there for my little tractor and outdoor equipment.
That project has been fun for me. I like to see progress, and so much of what we do shows no progress. I have never dealt with that very well. So, building has been the flip side of my work.
FYI, my "career" was a mid level GM manager, which showed more progress that I gave myself credit for, now that I see their stock at $3 after they ruined what me and my peers worked very hard to accomplish.
Anyway, I can relate to people not stopping in to update, as it seems that there is always too much to do.
SirDent;
That is a great job of finding appropriate scriptures for the situation. I am always excited to see what scriptures hit you. It is good to see you back. I hope your "vacation" was good.
Hi everybody. Hope all of you are doing good.
VP, I have been watching you post on a hub. I read it but didn't post because I have read her hubs and posts before. She has told people where to go to get more affordable drugs, (and I am not referring to the ones you get a script for at the doctor's office) so I didn't post. Those people want to believe legends, dreams, greek gods, anything but the real God because they want to live like they want to pretending that there is no afterlife. But I do honestly feel that in their hearts they know. They have seen plenty of us who are saved sharing the truth with them, so they cannot say they have not seen the truth about life. I commend you on trying. I hate I just don't have it in me to fight them right now. The same people tend to follow the same ones and gang up on whoever posts who doesn't believe like they do. I really do think in their hearts they know better especially since they see it from us who try to share God's Word with them. There are some pretty horrible things said on here. It was shocking to me at first. Now I have come to expect it from some of them as I know where they stand, sadly. But I continue to pray for them that God touch them and open their eyes and hearts. It's easy to say that life is over when we die. That way, we have no consequences, we can live like the devil here (like so many are) and not have to pay for it. But that's not true whether they believe in hell or not, it's real and if they don't accept Christ as Savior, they will go to hell eternally. I do feel very sorry for them. I feel a lot that their biggest goal is to get under our skin. If they are half as well-educated as they profess themselves to be, they sure come up short on the most important things in life. I do not profess to know much. I do however know Who created this world, when a baby is a baby, (it's not above my pay rate to know this information), and that you cannot go to Heaven without Jesus in your heart. That may be about all I know, but I'm so thankful to know that much! It's helped me to make the most important decision in this world and that was the day I asked Jesus into my heart as my Lord and Savior. I pray that all those who battle so hard and harsh and mean and cold against us will one day have the blessings we do as Christians. Because only those who are saved have what we do, and I hope they all decide to accept Christ one day too.
Jimmy Johnson is the Nascar champion once again, This makes three in a row. :D
Yes he did. Carl give him a good run today though. I wish Jr hadn't had that bad luck at the end. I wanted him in the top 10 so he would talk at the banquet. Jimmy is great in the race to the chase. He's great under pressure. I'm glad Carl had such a great year. He seems like a nice guy. Jimmy tied the record for most wins with Kale Yarbrough I think it was. So congrats to all the JJ fans! He did it well!
Alshookup;
That was an immensely accurate recap of our efforts to glorify Him on this website. I will keep it handy for the crazy battles we end up in. I could give you about 50 "amens" to that post.
I am always amazed at your humility , and I cherish it. It is a wonderful attribute that I immesnely admire in you. You have such great wisdom of life. That is priceless. You are a fabulous comforter to me in these tough skirmishes.
I find myself breathing sighs of relief as I unwind among brothers and sisters, you know what I mean?
I am glda that you refrain from the front lines. It is not what you need right now. God is telling you to recover now, I think. I am sure glad that He brought you back to us for all your wonderful support, though. Thank you very much for your continued support and wisdom.
SirDent;
Congratulations to you as a Jimmy Johnson fan. He is amazing. there are so many great drivers out there, and he wins three in a row. It is hard to believe. Isn't it fun when the guy you root for wins like that?
Jimmy Johnson didn't do very well when he coached my Dolphins. In fact, the worst thing he did was bring in Dave Wanstadt to take his place when he left. He kicked ass with my Canes though. How in the world did he become a race car driver? I mean, one day he's propping his buddy Dave as a good potential coach, when he potentially would make the worst decisions ever, and the next he's behind the wheel of a . . . . . . . . . . . .
Oh wait, ya'll are talking about another Jimmy Johnson. The one that was racing about 3 miles from my house today.
Never mind.
Dan;
Yeah, but he did pretty good with Miami and the Cowboys. See I argue with everything, so don't ever think of taking it personally.
Hi VP, forgive me please for commenting here, but I am a little concerned by Allshookup's comment, as unless I am very wrong, it is worded as if I may be the one who has suggested where people can get affordable drugs without prescription, and that I am the one believing in Greek Gods etc. Now I may be wrong on this, and am happy to admit it if I am, but I have NEVER, EVER, suggested a source for drugs, and never would, and if Allshookup IS referring to me I would like to see evidence of this in the form of quotes or examples. Whatever my thoughts on Greek Gods, this does not mean I condone drug use, and I would be highly offended if this was inferred. Can you please get Allshookup to confirm I am not the one she is referring to so that my name is not libelled. Thanks, your friend, truly, Misty :)
Misty;
You do not need to feel you cannot post here. Truly everyone is welcome. Actually, I am glad that you stopped by. Allshookup is a really great person, and I know she would not want to hurt you in any way. I am sure everything is fine. Thanks for visiting, and please do feel welcome.
Forgive me but I just saw Misty's comment ot Allshook up and had to post something here:
1 John 4--the whole chapter---------
1 John 4
1Beloved, every spirit believe not, but prove the spirits, if of God they are, because many false prophets have gone forth to the world;
2in this know ye the Spirit of God; every spirit that doth confess Jesus Christ in the flesh having come, of God it is,
3and every spirit that doth not confess Jesus Christ in the flesh having come, of God it is not; and this is that of the antichrist, which ye heard that it doth come, and now in the world it is already.
4Ye -- of God ye are, little children, and ye have overcome them; because greater is He who [is] in you, than he who is in the world.
5They -- of the world they are; because of this from the world they speak, and the world doth hear them;
6we -- of God we are; he who is knowing God doth hear us; he who is not of God, doth not hear us; from this we know the spirit of the truth, and the spirit of the error.
7Beloved, may we love one another, because the love is of God, and every one who is loving, of God he hath been begotten, and doth know God;
8he who is not loving did not know God, because God is love.
9In this was manifested the love of God in us, because His Son -- the only begotten -- hath God sent to the world, that we may live through him;
10in this is the love, not that we loved God, but that He did love us, and did send His Son a propitiation for our sins.
11Beloved, if thus did God love us, we also ought one another to love;
12God no one hath ever seen; if we may love one another, God in us doth remain, and His love is having been perfected in us;
13in this we know that in Him we do remain, and He in us, because of His Spirit He hath given us.
14And we -- we have seen and do testify, that the Father hath sent the Son -- Saviour of the world;
15whoever may confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God in him doth remain, and he in God;
16and we -- we have known and believed the love, that God hath in us; God is love, and he who is remaining in the love, in God he doth remain, and God in him.
17In this made perfect hath been the love with us, that boldness we may have in the day of the judgment, because even as He is, we -- we also are in this world;
18fear is not in the love, but the perfect love doth cast out the fear, because the fear hath punishment, and he who is fearing hath not been made perfect in the love;
19we -- we love him, because He -- He first loved us;
20if any one may say -- `I love God,' and his brother he may hate, a liar he is; for he who is not loving his brother whom he hath seen, God -- whom he hath not seen -- how is he able to love?
21and this [is] the command we have from Him, that he who is loving God, may also love his brother.
How many of you do this?
I always liked JJ (the football one). My gripe with him is he shoved a phylosphy on an offence that wasn't built for it.
You're right about the offense thing for one reason. There are about 6,000,000,000 people alive today and several, several billion who have lived and died already. I take offense for every one of them that the religious organizations say either are, or will go to some eternal dungeon of torture for all eternity. I take no offense on behalf of my-self though, because I know that this is not so. Big differense when compared to arguing over sports or anything else. Everything else is a joke in comparison.
Thank you VP for being so welcoming and for not turning me away.
Thank you LG for being so supportive as always. I love you dearly as my friend :)
Wow VP, looks like your hub is really being read or in the least talked about. Great job!! Here is my reply to misty who questioned me and here is a quote from her that I got my informatoin from. These are her words, word for word. I have changed nothing:
mistyhorizon2003 says:2 months ago
Brilliant Hub. I used to smoke anything up to 7 joints a day when I lived in Tenerife, (ask Bard of Ely who shared the apartment with me at the time), and on top of this I could easily down a bottle of red wine. My secret was always to smoke first, never drink first, always in that order and then you aren't made ill. I have been offered various drugs over the years, but have always said no thanks, and on one occasion was even given a free sample of cocaine, but as it was wrapped in brown paper I thought it was simple cannabis resin. Months later my friend opened it up when I told him I had it, and we realised what it was, and it promptly went down the toilet. When my late Husband was alive we used to have about 6 joints a day each, and alcohol on top of this. After he died I bought a 9 bar of cannabis, which lasted me the next 7 months until just before I returned to Guernsey. Once I got back here cannabis was so expensive and so hard to get hold of that I gave it up until I got to Tenerife. It was really cheap there, (42 euros for a half ounce), so I started smoking it again regularly. Two and a half years later I returned to Guernsey and stopped again, and nowadays if I want to get "high", I smoke "Spice", which is completely legal and made of herbs such as marshmallow etc. It costs about £15 for an eighth, but has much the same effect as cannabis, and smells like freshly baked biscuits. The best thing is that you can buy it in shops. They do the standard strength which is "Spice", and the higher strength which is called "Spice Gold", both are great. You treat it exactly the same as cannabis, so you can smoke it neat, mix it with tobacco, stick it in a bong, or whatever. I guess I love the idea of trying LSD in the great outdoors, especially as I am surrounded by countryside, but I am also too scared to chance trying anything else other than cannabis or Spice in case I get addicted to it.
Also, what I said about people worshipping other gods etc, that was meant for quiet a number of people on here, not just one person in particular. It seems that people want to say they believe in God, yet not accept Christ. That doesn't work. Or say that there is no God. But just because they say this or believe this, doesn't make it so either. Christians didn't write the rules, God did. We only do our best to live by it. Do we come up short? Yes. But do we strive to be Christ-like? Yes. We are human and will only reach our full goal of being perfect once Christ returns to claim those who are saved or when we die. Until then, we can only live the closest we can to Him in human form. Which means we make mistakes. It seems some claim there is no God because Christians are human. That's crazy to say that there's no God because of that. That just an excuse to not obey God and His commandments. And in the end, God will judge. We only share His Word because we care about the souls of those who are not saved. I wish so much that you people who redicule us could see that. It matters not if it's not presented in the manner one or 2 wants, it doesn't change the facts of the Bible and God. We cannot change the Bible nor do I want to. That is the Precious Word of our Lord and Savior.
AAhhh ASU, I just read what you posted as what Misty said and I didn't get that she was selling or pointing to other places to buy drugs. What she was saying is what she experienced--and that was years ago....
So quick to judge hmmmm. again for your edification of the scriptures:
1 John 4
1Beloved, every spirit believe not, but prove the spirits, if of God they are, because many false prophets have gone forth to the world;
2in this know ye the Spirit of God; every spirit that doth confess Jesus Christ in the flesh having come, of God it is,
3and every spirit that doth not confess Jesus Christ in the flesh having come, of God it is not; and this is that of the antichrist, which ye heard that it doth come, and now in the world it is already.
4Ye -- of God ye are, little children, and ye have overcome them; because greater is He who [is] in you, than he who is in the world.
5They -- of the world they are; because of this from the world they speak, and the world doth hear them;
6we -- of God we are; he who is knowing God doth hear us; he who is not of God, doth not hear us; from this we know the spirit of the truth, and the spirit of the error.
7Beloved, may we love one another, because the love is of God, and every one who is loving, of God he hath been begotten, and doth know God;
8he who is not loving did not know God, because God is love.
9In this was manifested the love of God in us, because His Son -- the only begotten -- hath God sent to the world, that we may live through him;
10in this is the love, not that we loved God, but that He did love us, and did send His Son a propitiation for our sins.
11Beloved, if thus did God love us, we also ought one another to love;
12God no one hath ever seen; if we may love one another, God in us doth remain, and His love is having been perfected in us;
13in this we know that in Him we do remain, and He in us, because of His Spirit He hath given us.
14And we -- we have seen and do testify, that the Father hath sent the Son -- Saviour of the world;
15whoever may confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God in him doth remain, and he in God;
16and we -- we have known and believed the love, that God hath in us; God is love, and he who is remaining in the love, in God he doth remain, and God in him.
17In this made perfect hath been the love with us, that boldness we may have in the day of the judgment, because even as He is, we -- we also are in this world;
18fear is not in the love, but the perfect love doth cast out the fear, because the fear hath punishment, and he who is fearing hath not been made perfect in the love;
19we -- we love him, because He -- He first loved us;
20if any one may say -- `I love God,' and his brother he may hate, a liar he is; for he who is not loving his brother whom he hath seen, God -- whom he hath not seen -- how is he able to love?
21and this [is] the command we have from Him, that he who is loving God, may also love his brother.
My comments were never to hurt or harm anyone. I was only trying to explain to VP that more than likely people on a hub he was posting on would more than likely not give him a chance at explaining what he wants to share so badly. I have experienced it and was only letting him know that I have been where he is. I saw how he was not accepted on the hub. I didn't post there because I knew I would not be listened to either. That's the reason I shared that with him. If we don't agree with some hubs, we are attacked. I know that many of you can see that. And it's because we believe what we believe and try to show people what God says about things to try to help. Helping is the only reason of us posting on hubs or in the forum like we do. But many of you can't seem to see that at all. You do not accept us or even try to understand what we say or why. Again, I meant no harm to anyone.
Hi Allshookup. Well at least I now know you are referring to legal drugs, and not illegal ones. 'Spice', is like you going out into your garden and drying a few plants before smoking them. This is not illegal, nor is it harmful. I no longer smoke Cannabis, but if I did I would have no problem with it as it is only a plant, not a chemical substance made by man such as Heroin or Coccaine.
PS. Can you please close the quotation marks where my original comment finished so my comment is not confused with yours. Thanks.
Lady, I never said she sold drugs. Read what I said again. I said she told where she bought it and the prices being cheaper here or there which you can see for yourself she said. I have shown proof as to what she said. I never said I don't love anyone so I don't know why you are trying to preach at me. Because if I didn't care for people, I would not be trying to share God's Word with them. You are the one who calls yourself a minister of the Bible right?
allshookup says:
18 minutes ago
Wow VP, looks like your hub is really being read or in the least talked about. Great job!! Here is my reply to misty who questioned me and here is a quote from her that I got my informatoin from. These are her words, word for word. I have changed nothing:
mistyhorizon2003 says:2 months ago
"Brilliant Hub. I used to smoke anything up to 7 joints a day when I lived in Tenerife, (ask Bard of Ely who shared the apartment with me at the time), and on top of this I could easily down a bottle of red wine. My secret was always to smoke first, never drink first, always in that order and then you aren't made ill. I have been offered various drugs over the years, but have always said no thanks, and on one occasion was even given a free sample of cocaine, but as it was wrapped in brown paper I thought it was simple cannabis resin. Months later my friend opened it up when I told him I had it, and we realised what it was, and it promptly went down the toilet. When my late Husband was alive we used to have about 6 joints a day each, and alcohol on top of this. After he died I bought a 9 bar of cannabis, which lasted me the next 7 months until just before I returned to Guernsey. Once I got back here cannabis was so expensive and so hard to get hold of that I gave it up until I got to Tenerife. It was really cheap there, (42 euros for a half ounce), so I started smoking it again regularly. Two and a half years later I returned to Guernsey and stopped again, and nowadays if I want to get "high", I smoke "Spice", which is completely legal and made of herbs such as marshmallow etc. It costs about £15 for an eighth, but has much the same effect as cannabis, and smells like freshly baked biscuits. The best thing is that you can buy it in shops. They do the standard strength which is "Spice", and the higher strength which is called "Spice Gold", both are great. You treat it exactly the same as cannabis, so you can smoke it neat, mix it with tobacco, stick it in a bong, or whatever. I guess I love the idea of trying LSD in the great outdoors, especially as I am surrounded by countryside, but I am also too scared to chance trying anything else other than cannabis or Spice in case I get addicted to it."
Also, what I said about people worshipping other gods etc, that was meant for quiet a number of people on here, not just one person in particular. It seems that people want to say they believe in God, yet not accept Christ. That doesn't work. Or say that there is no God. But just because they say this or believe this, doesn't make it so either. Christians didn't write the rules, God did. We only do our best to live by it. Do we come up short? Yes. But do we strive to be Christ-like? Yes. We are human and will only reach our full goal of being perfect once Christ returns to claim those who are saved or when we die. Until then, we can only live the closest we can to Him in human form. Which means we make mistakes. It seems some claim there is no God because Christians are human. That's crazy to say that there's no God because of that. That just an excuse to not obey God and His commandments. And in the end, God will judge. We only share His Word because we care about the souls of those who are not saved. I wish so much that you people who redicule us could see that. It matters not if it's not presented in the manner one or 2 wants, it doesn't change the facts of the Bible and God. We cannot change the Bible nor do I want to. That is the Precious Word of our Lord and Savior.
There you go Misty. It wouldn't let me add quotes to the first one so I copied it here and added them.
ASU, No you got it all messed up. I never said that I was a minister of the Bilbe or a church. I siad I am a Minister for Jesus--not the one the Church and mistanslated Bible. They are not the same and Faith is also different then religion. Sharing God's word is different then shoving it down their throats as in the Bible is never chanted nor mistranslated and some parts are a lie to meet what the political parites at the time wanted. Now you can say they are trut=th all you want but when words are changed then they become lies and no matter how you try to justify it they are still a lie. There are good parts in the Bible, but fo the life of Me I can't understand why it is just the controlling of people parts that are preached. The Bible is no full or done and it says so in there as well.
That chapter that I posted said and it you read it says that anyone who LOVES has God and Jesus already in them and he also says that fear can't be there is there is God too. One cannot profess HIS word and insill fear that one is going to hell and all the faults of another if there is love in their hearts and soul.
I also did not point this directly at you until it seemed that you ignored the post that I made to others.
Instead of Love all those who want to spread his love are doing is coming off as all knowing and self-righteous and arrogant. This is not pointing directly at you either but the whonme of Chrsitanity.
ASU, No you got it all messed up. I never said that I was a minister of the Bilbe or a church. I siad I am a Minister for Jesus--not the one the Church and mistanslated Bible. They are not the same and Faith is also different then religion. Sharing God's word is different then shoving it down their throats as in the Bible is never chanted nor mistranslated and some parts are a lie to meet what the political parites at the time wanted. Now you can say they are trut=th all you want but when words are changed then they become lies and no matter how you try to justify it they are still a lie. There are good parts in the Bible, but fo the life of Me I can't understand why it is just the controlling of people parts that are preached. The Bible is no full or done and it says so in there as well.
That chapter that I posted said and it you read it says that anyone who LOVES has God and Jesus already in them and he also says that fear can't be there is there is God too. One cannot profess HIS word and insill fear that one is going to hell and all the faults of another if there is love in their hearts and soul.
I also did not point this directly at you until it seemed that you ignored the post that I made to others.
Instead of Love all those who want to spread his love are doing is coming off as all knowing and self-righteous and arrogant. This is not pointing directly at you either but the whonme of Chrsitanity.
Thank you Allshookup for posting with quotation marks whatever the restrictions.
I am not ashamed by any means of having smoked Cannabis, after all, it is only a plant extract, and not a chemical substance!
I also can't see hundreds of people suddenly flying across to Tenerife to buy the stuff simply because I gave a price on my comments. Even if they did, it doesn't change the fact this is a plant substance, not a chemical drug.
Well, If you are not a minister of the Bible, which is God's Word, then to me you are not a minister. I'm not trying to be mean or self-righteous or anything else you want to call me. I just believe if you are a minister, then that means you believe ALL of God's Word and you don't just pick parts of it to suit you. You accept the whole thing. You talk a lot about love. God is love but He is also a jealous God. He says so Himself. And I do not have any fear in me. I have God in me, so I know that I will never go to hell because I have confessed my sins and have asked Jesus to be my Lord and Savior and asked for forgiveness which I have gotten. I don't try to instill fear into anyone. That's not my goal at all. I want all to be saved, to have the blessings of God. But, if people do not accept Christ as Savior, they are not saved. No matter what you say or think or feel. I didn't write this rules, God did. I can't change them and neither can you. It's just the way it is and it's the right say since it's God's way. I don't want anyone to go to hell. No one. But I can't make anyone else's decisoin for them, so else I would and everyone in the universe would accept Jesus as their Savior and go to Heaven. But that's not how it works as God gives us free will. We accept Him as Savior and go to Heaven or we don't and go to Hell. Those are the only 2 options. You talk only about love and love is great to talk about but there's more to it that. You are misleading people if you only share that part of it. You never tell about the consequences if people don't accept Christ as Savior. It all has to be shared, not just the fun parts. Not telling it all is leading people astray.
To all of you who know me and have been talking to me here on VPs hub, it's been a very long day. I slept seveal hours this evening, but I'm still exhausted, so I'm going to bed for the night. I guess that wasn't enough rest this evening. I hope everyone has a great night. Blessings to one and all.
No you get that confused becasue I an not totaly a Christian Minister. There are other ministers too--like Pagan Ministers. you can call me and spread all kinds of things about me all you wish, but I am not going to let you get to me and or convert. I also read other hubs by others too. Sir Dent and I are friends--beware what you say about me to others. Word and gossip spreads like wildfire.
I am a Universal Life Minister and have been one since 2004.
For the record, I do not smoke Cannabis any more. As it is a plant I see no problem if I chose to, I don't get this belief in the Bible 'Allshookup' as I would need to see a whole lot more than simply the blind belief in the words of an ancient book being accurate before I am convinced. Sorry, but that is just the way it is. I also don't buy Spice thesedays, but if I did it is totally legal .
Life is hard when you are condemned for simply voicing what most others are thinking !!
To be honest you probably won't go to hell allshookup, nor should you, or us. Your place is just as secure as the rest of ours. Why do you believe that Christ/God etc is right, and this is the only way to be saved??? Who told you this and where did you receive the information? My guess is that it came from human origin, not from some spiritual revelation.
Who is worthy to go to heaven? Who is equal to God? Who is above God? Who is righteous and holy?
1Pe 5:6 Humble yourselves therefore under the mighty hand of God, that he may exalt you in due time: 1Pe 5:7 Casting all your care upon him; for he careth for you. 1Pe 5:8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:
Good morning friends and enemies too. :P
ah-hem... Christ said in that Bible the the Kingdom of God is WITHIN you. He never said that it was in the Book of the Bible nor did he say that it is in a church or even if it was in Clergy--myself included. In fact he was tottaly against church and was angy with it and he also doesn't like lots of other things with the church. Church is within you and pray only needs two people for him to hear it.
Misy, I guess they like what they hear versus what they can learn form other sources nad the must like persecution and the thought that every action they might have is of Satan and FEAR. Fear has no room in ones heart if one Loves. The CHOOSE not to do as Jesus says to do.. It is their own faults and no one elses if they fail to listen to Jesus's GOOD words.
Rom 5:12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:
If all have sinned and are dead. how does one obtain life?
The Church Jesus was against was the church that used the law to justify themselves while condemning everyone else by the same law. The law does not justify anyone, but in fact proves everyone to be unlawful.
If we are all unlawful, then how does one then become lawful?
VP I have a request of you. Being on dial up it takes forever for this hub to load because of so many comments. Could you please reduce the number of comments to 50? It would help me out greatly. We hardly ever go past 10 or so comments anyway and the other comments can be accessed by those who want to see them.
Lady Guinevere;
Welcome back. You made some rather mean assumptions against those who are on this thread. Not only are they bold, but they are prejudiced and unfair. You are completely wrong about the people who are on this forum. However, I doubt if you will give us a chance to prove ourselves.
Speaking for myself, I am certain that the Bible is 100% correct. Nothing I have ever read from you or anyone else has swayed me from that certainty whatsoever. So you know a little about me, I do not get any of my teaching from church. I rely exclusively on the Bible and the Holy Spirit.
I do not want to accuse you of all the things that I see wrong with you. I do not think that is necessary. I am sorry you found it necessary to come on here with such a post.
Be sure I will debate any point that you want about the truth of the Bible and its impact on Christianity. I can find a few that I could easily discredit in just this post alone.
I do hope you will refrain from using such insults against people who I deeply admire and respect. Please feel free, however, to level whatever shots at me you deem appropriate. I will try not to be defensive about it.
I am not being insincere when I welcome you here. I see that you have great passion for the Lord, and all of the regulars here do, too. Wouldn't you agree that we should resolve our issues. Either you are wrong or I am. let's get to the very bottom of it.
Let's take it one issue at a time, though, and not change the subject just to dodge the issue. My first issue with you is that you said, "In fact he was tottaly against church and was angy with it and he also doesn't like lots of other things with the church."
There are actually three stataments in one there. They are:
1. In fact, he was totally against the church. That if false.
2. He was angry with it. That is true. I would say that He was angry with those in the church, though, not the church per se. I know that is splitting hairs, but splitting hairs is essential to yunderstanding the Bible and communicating it correctly.
3. He also doesn't like lots of other things with the church. That is beyond us to know only because you say he "doesn't". If you said "didn't", I would agree. I assume that is what you meant, so if so, please disregard my objection.
So, I am willing to present our cases against item number 1. First, looking at it from a common sense perspective, Christainity would shrink dramatically if churches were not here to present the biblical story, whether they always get tht story right or not.
However, that proves only that it seems logical to me. It is better to consult the Bible, wouldn't you agree?
Why would Jesus found the church if He was totally against it?
Matthew 16:18 says, "And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overpower it."
Why would Paul strengthen the churches if Jesus was totally against the churches?
Acts 15:41-42 says, "but Paul chose Silas and set out, commended to the grace of the Lord by the brothers and sisters. He passed through Syria and Cilicia, strengthening the churches."
The Bible does not lie, Lady G. All we do here is find the truth and proclaim it. Let's start with that claim you made. Then, we will go through just the rest of that one post and right the wrongs, OK?
SirDent;
I have often wanted to shorten this hub. However, if I do that, we will lose the power of its size as a place to market our love for Him. Google (and the other search engines) measure your content as one part of their formula to promote a page. By the way, the other criteria is incoming links (of which this hub has very few). If I take away the posts, then google will rank it less, and the links you all post here will be of no value to you. As it is, those links are highly scored by Google.
I can write a much more definitive post about this marketing tool if you all want. In short, I leave this hub long, so your links you place here drive traffic to that page for you. As I have said before, that becomes diluted if we leave too many links here. Tthat is why I do not link to anything I write.
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AllShookUp: You have taken Misty's comment on another hub out of context. It was on a hub by another writer and everyone was leaving similar comments. I find it interesting that you would pull this out and post it when it suits your needs. I would imagine you are ready to do the same to many others. As for the way VP was treated on another hub, in the interest of honesty, it should be noted that VP came into the comments on that hub in a rude and agressive manner. Anything that happened after that is a direct result of that initial (and subsequent) posts. Frankly, neither of your behaviours strike me as "Christ-like", though you profess to try to emulate Him.
Christoph, thankfully it will be God who judges me since He alone knows my heart, not you. VP may not be as PC as some would like, but I've never seen him say anything that wasn't true. Of course, I'm not PC either. I would not have pulled that quote up but misty asked me to. Well, she asked VP to ask me to, but I read it and did it to please her. I never said she was the only person who talked about doing drugs. Now did I? I did nothing to suit my needs, it was misty who asked to see it. Not anyone else. It was her words. I never said that I emulate God. That is putting words in my mouth. My point in telling him anything about it was to let him know that y'all would not listen to him. As you just proved my point. On hubs by some people on hugpages, people who are saved are not welcome and are even attacked. I was trying to warn him of what he was stepping into. As again, you just proved I was correct.
AllShookUp: Sorry, but you referenced the article first with your "synopsis" of what was said. Secondly, there is too much stuff up there to find what I read as to your emulating Christ (and readily admit I could be in error). You do try to live up to Christ's teachings, do you not? Then let's go with that. Same comment, and I have proved none of your statements regardless of how many times you say it.
I know you won't believe me, but I really hope you are feeling better. And you know what? God bless you!
I do try to be more Christ-like everyday, I also realize I fall way short and will until I am in Heaven with God. All people who are saved are human, therefore we are not perfect, we make mistakes. Thanks.
I just wanted to make one comment that I didn't see questioned earlier. I believe in the Bible and the Bible says that there is one way to Heaven, and that is through Christ Jesus. The only way to go to Heaven is to accept Christ as Savior of your life. I didn't make it this way, God did. I can't help that you feel we are self-righteous because we read the Bible. It has nothing to do with self-righteousness. People don't like to hear that they are wrong, so they attack the Bible and the messenger, whoever that may be. (Don't take my word for it, look at the forums or Lady's hubs, you'll see proof.) Why do I believe in God and Jesus? Because I have faith. Not to mention He proves Himself to me time and time again. That's all I need. All I need is Him.
Allshookup--You better read those ten commandments agina my dear. Thou Shalt Not Bear False Witness!!!
Who said that I do NOT read the Bible when I quote from it? Who siad that I did not believe in Jesus Christ. Lady--you are spreading lies about people that is bearing false witmess and that is a sin!
Does the word SLANDER ring a bell, my dear??? Just how many others are you going to do false witness on becasue they do not believe the exact same way as you? Everyone better watch out for this one!
Lady, on one of your hubs, you did indeed trash me because I said that demons are evil and you said that they can be postive and for comfort. You trashed me for what I believe (the whole Bible). You said that it was misinterpreted and that I need other books added to help me know the truth.
The links you give appear to be roman catholic. I do not believe like they do. I pray directly to God through Jesus Christ and that's how I repent for my sins, also, directly to Him.
So you are using this one hub to trash others whom you think trashed you from other hubs. Uh, some of us don't appreciete that when you can go right to their hubs snd thell them that. You have hijacked this hub for your personal trashing of others and I beleive it is to others than myself. I will no longer reply to you for a while. I don't know maybe you have drugs that are clouding your mind andmaking you spastic. So be it!
Keep slandering others and see where that gets you.....
I told you on your hub what I felt about it. You apparently have forgotten that part. But I told you plainly how I felt about it and you and anothers continued to talk about me after I stopped posting on your hub. In your eyes, since I believe the whole Bible and I don't go out to find other books to add to it, then I don't understand everything I need, etc etc. I believe in hell and I believe that you have to accept Christ to go to Heaven and you talked about wrong I am to believe these things. Does this not ring a bell with you?
Allshookup;
The gang came, and I guess they found me out building my next door neighbor's shed. That is funny that I set out to build my shed. Oh well, I will get it done, too.
I really don't know what to say, right now, except I am sorry. You handled this remarkably well, far better than I would have today. I am sorry that I am very tired from moving tons of dirt to level my pal's shed. This week is concrete week. I will be so tired.
I know you are probably devastated with this. I know how you feel. Getting ganged up on is painful. I am proud of the work you did here. I am sorry that I was not here to help straighten things out, and I was glad SirDent stopped by to help clarify things.
Lady G;
There is so much I would like to say to you, but none of it is nice. So, I will refrain for the time being.
However, there is a minor housekeeping point. I do not allow links on this hub that I do not authorize. It is a long story, but if you read back a little bit, you will see my rationale. It is nothing personal, I assure you. So, I am deleting all your links here. In the future, just post the website name, like bible.org. We can easily type that in our browser. Thanks, and sorry for the inconvenience.
That's fine Viral.
VP, thanks so much. I am through with the converstaion you just saw. I answered what was said to me to prove I was not making things up to slander anyone, because I wasn't. I'm glad you're getting your shed built! That's exciting news! Congrats! Maybe after this week, you can get some much-needed rest this weekend. I'm about to retire for the night I think. I have rested some today, but not enough. It is great news to get your shed done before the weather gets too bad. It's great to have friends huh? Thanks again for the compliments. And yes, it's always great to see SirDent. His attitude is always claming on me. I love that! I hope everyone has a great night! Take care and blessings to one and all!
VP, it doesn't matter because all those links and more are already on Misty's hub about "Christs-Life-Story--or-was-it-You-decide"
Rom 8:12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
Rom 8:13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
Rom 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
Rom 8:15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
Good morning friends and enemies alike. :)
Lady G;
I am glad that the links can befound elsewhere. Thank you for diecting us to that information. I also appreciate your not being upset about this. As you can see, this was process we arrived at prior to your posts. It certainly was not directed just at you. Removing links serves another purpose altogether. Thanks for understanding!
SirDent;
I reviewed the information ou left on Misty's hub. I doubt that anone but me will read it, since it also verifies that the initial account on the hub is mistaken in many ways. I went at it from a different perspective, but I also said some of the same things. By stating my case in writing not links, though, I was blasted.
It will be interesting to see if anyone does anything other than blow and go about what great information is there, when that information is just some typically misconstrued internet article with no credentials in ancient studies.
As you know well, the study of Christianity alone is exhausting. The history of thousands of years is not easy to understand. Trying to understand the other religions becomes overwhelming to me. So, I have learned who to trust for accurate inormation. Without a masters degree in theology, I usually ignore the post, for time's sake. Most of the good stuff is written by doctors in theology or their students.
The internet has its good points. The bad point is that people have grown accustomed to find an article through Google and think it is the new gospel. Many of those people are just decent debaters who start heaping all sorts of self praise on themselves. Then they form a network, like hubpages atheists, and away they go into oblivion.
America has many parallels to ancient Rome. I tried to open that discussion, but no go. The gang attacked. Actually it is fascinating, even if they want to remain atheists. I guess they do not care about God or Country.
Again, those were good links you posted. Your strategy to avoid the gang was good, too. We'll see what happens, if anything...
VP, in the day we live there is globalization going on nearly everywhere. There will soon no longer be citizens of the United States and citizens of Canada, etc. . . There will merely be citizens of the WORLD.
One thing I am thankful for is the sacrifice that Jesus made for me. I am not longer a citizen of the world but I am a citizen of that heavenly city which was built without hands.
VP said: when that information is just some typically misconstrued internet article with no credentials in ancient studies.
LG says, So that could also mean the Bible is not right too since it is on the internet in many places as well as other studines of other thibgs like health and such. I know you said that there are good things on the internet too, but to lump all the Biblical and Theology studies that are true and have had lots of studies in one lump as to them being untrue is not fair to those who have done the research and it is on the internet.
You can also say the same thing with Television too--most media and news is hyped up and are lies too? Does that include the History Channel and the Discovery Channel and oh how about the Science Channel too?
One must use several websites to do their research and take a look at them all and then come up with the information fivenb in the best way they can. That doesn't always mean it is right for everyone.
You can please some of the people some of the time but you can't please all of the people all of the time.
BTW--I never have ever said that I did not believe in Jesus or God and I never ever said that I wasn't saved and Jesus was not my savior. I hope peope do read all my other hubs!
I feel another hub coming on.
Lady G;
I am in for lunch, so I do not have long for a reply to you. so this is off the top of my head.
"VP said: when that information is just some typically misconstrued internet article with no credentials in ancient studies.
LG says, So that could also mean the Bible is not right too since it is on the internet in many places as well as other studines of other thibgs like health and such."
I do not believe that is true. It may be possible to you, but if it is, you should resign as a minister. True religious study is exhaustive. No one who has undertaken true religious study would wonder. It is black or white when you know how it all fits together. To me, the internet and the Bible is simply a ludicrous comparison, and it is less than childish.
"I know you said that there are good things on the internet too, but to lump all the Biblical and Theology studies that are true and have had lots of studies in one lump as to them being untrue is not fair to those who have done the research and it is on the internet."
Without rereading my post that you refer to, I most likely was referring to the erroneous information in the links and research on Misty's hub, no offense to her. I am not trying to shoot the messenger. I am though indeed trying to say that I would be very humiliated to come on after my post and say how cool the information is. Also, the links SirDent posted show that the information was incorrect according to his links. Well, anyway. I know the information was wrong from my studies, and I posted that in plain English, albeit bit strongly worded.
"You can also say the same thing with Television too--most media and news is hyped up and are lies too? Does that include the History Channel and the Discovery Channel and oh how about the Science Channel too?
I don't know.
"One must use several websites to do their research and take a look at them all and then come up with the information fivenb in the best way they can. That doesn't always mean it is right for everyone."
I seriously disagree with your hypothesis here. Right is right for everyone, and wrong is wrong for everyone. Just as I said that Rome decayed around worship of its idols and immoral lifestyle, so that scenario will eventually play out every time in God's time. At least, it has proven true in all history so far. We will see how America fares.
I do not see the internet as overall reliable for study. That is what school is for. Any bozo can write an article on the internet, and then beware of a group of stupid people. They will jump all over it if it concludes what they believe. Then, chaos reigns. It is getting worse, not better. Most reliable scholars will just not give away their life's work, and then they go broke. They would have nothing left of monetary value in most cases.
"You can please some of the people some of the time but you can't please all of the people all of the time."
I suppose that is true.
BTW--I never have ever said that I did not believe in Jesus or God and I never ever said that I wasn't saved and Jesus was not my savior. I hope peope do read all my other hubs!
Lady G, what I do believe about you is that you are a buffet Christian. You want to take part of the Bible and say it is true. Then, you discredit other scriptures, very falsely I will add, by just not understanding the whole chapter or book. Whether or not you will be saved with that methodology is highly suspect to me and other true Christians. I recommend you change your ways, just to be safe.
God calls you to a minister not the other way around! Get that through your head! You just like to pick and fight and that is all I see. So I will back away from here. It is your hub so be it. It is not your call as to being a minister or not--it is God's call. Just maybe you should read my hub about being a minister.
Congratulations guys! - You've got back to the number 1 spot on hot hubs. If nothing else, you've certainly taught me a little about how the hot-hubs algorithm works. Comments count for a lot!
Seriously - though I know you don't share my philosophy, I've tried to set out (in a new hub) a cool and logical treatise on the differences between Believers, Agnostics and Atheists. I'd welcome your views on the distinctions I've drawn. You are all very welcome. Leave your weapons at the door ;)
Wow, thanks for the update Paraglider. Congrats VP!
I have a prayer request that a friend asked of me, so I am passing it along to those of you who believe in prayer:
Teachers all over the north part of our state got a letter today saying that there would be a huge cut in teachers jobs soon. They are not sure of their future and have asked for prayer in this matter. Many around here are teachers married to teachers, so some households could lose all their jobs. My friend is not scared, she just wants to know what to do and how and when to do it. Jobs are leaving our county quickly. Last week FOX News reported that over 500,000 new unemployment claims were filed. That number is staggering. We may need to have bigger gardens this summer and share with our neighbors, things like that. Maybe not concentrate so much on Christmas gifts, but the real meaning of Christmas and just enjoy being together. So many still owe on their houses here. Which I'm sure that it's that way nation-wide. My friend suggested we pray for each other. Which I feel is always a great idea. They are cutting back on our state troopers and police and deputies. Which means we are more on our own in protecting our homes, cars, belongings, etc. Robbery is increasing nation-wide. This is a very uncomfortable time. My prayers go out to everyone in need. Thanks in advance for your prayers.
Lady G;
"God calls you to a minister not the other way around! Get that through your head! You just like to pick and fight and that is all I see. So I will back away from here. It is your hub so be it. It is not your call as to being a minister or not--it is God's call. Just maybe you should read my hub about being a minister."
Well, again I disagree with you. A minister has biblical responsibilities that must be fulfilled correctly. I do not believe that God called you to twist the scriptures, add and delete the precious Word of God. If you think that is picking a fight, then think away. I have a responsibility to know the scriptures and convery severe warnings to people who do not know the scrtiptures. You don't know them at all. You are skating on very thin ice. Give it up while you still can.
Paraglider;
Darn, I thought you would say it is the terrific content of the hub and all the fine people there, lol.
Thanks for stopping by with the news. I am not sure I understand the whole hub ranking process, but I am not sure they want us to know. Some days, we are in the top five, and most days we are nowhere to be found. I rarely look anymore, since I see that is seemingly done by hand. It seems like it is mostly the current activity that makes the difference. If five or more people are actively posting, that seems to be the threshhold.
Allshookup and Paraglider;
By the way, your hubs are both on page one with this hub, too. Wow, we all are famous! That and 50 cents will buy us a candy bar, huh?
Paraglider;
I read your hub, and it is excellent. I did not feel comfortable leaving my thoughts there, given those who are posting. It is a shame that there is so much animosity on this stupid website. I am just not up for being told what an idiot I am by idiots. Thanks for letting us know about it.
LOL yeah that'll buy maybe 1 candybar. I've been called several names today besides idiot. I've gotten airhead, plus more on arkwriters hub. You've probably seen it already. I think I'm about done for the day. It shocks me so much to see people claim to be Christians, yet argue and go directly against the Bible. But they do it. I feel sorry for them, if indeeed they do believe the things they say. I'm not sure they do though. After all, the Bible says a fool has said in his heart there is no God. So, if they really don't believe, the Bible says what they are, not me. I'll keep them in my prayers. I hope all of you have a great night. Sleep well.
VP says:
Well, again I disagree with you. A minister has biblical responsibilities that must be fulfilled correctly. I do not believe that God called you to twist the scriptures, add and delete the precious Word of God. If you think that is picking a fight, then think away. I have a responsibility to know the scriptures and convery severe warnings to people who do not know the scrtiptures. You don't know them at all. You are skating on very thin ice. Give it up while you still can.
Well that may very well be in YOUR church but it is not the same in EVERY church. You do not have the authority to judge nor tell anyone how a minister has to act. I neve said that I do not go by the Bible I said that the Bible has been mistranslated so many times that some of the true meanins have dissapeared altogether. Try reading some history of the church like the one link I posted that you wouldn't let me post. Sorry about that it was and is your own restrictions. Not everything is in that Bible and it says so. Test the words of the bible and the things that are taught to you says Jesus. So I did and he called me to be a minister to tell about his words and works. If Jesus does not talk to you then that is your problem but he does talk to me and I hear him.
I wrote a hub on What is a Minister go ahead and read it through===oh that is only a suggestion!!!
For the record, Jesus wasn't well liked either, but he still taught about God. He didn't have a Bible either!
Lady G;
"Judging", oh yes the ole hubpages cop out for "don't tell me the truth", like I didn't know who judges.
Jesus didn't need a Bible. He wrote it, but I know you want to pick and choose what parts to believe rather than to honor Him for it...
Allshookup;
Please don't overdo it so soon after surgery. Believe me, these clowns are not worth that. We keep giving it our best efforts, but it is just repulsive to be treated like you described. In the end, we can win these debates 1 million to nothing and they won't listen. They have their minds made up that they have to be in the out crowd. They will not give an inch, and they just live to insult us here. I will not give an inch becuase that would be wrong to let Him be blasphemed like He is by them. I am less and less enthused about this every day. I just don't see the point in arguing with them about the same old stuff over and over to no avail.
Your crazy! He didn't write the Bible--Apostles did! I am not oicking and choosing anythng. Don't tell me the truth--but do tell me the truth...............do you talk andhear Jesus or God............I bet you can't read any history becasue you have been indoctrinated so much as to everything else is a lie. Now who told you that there is One God?
Why did God cause a flood? Did sin and the evil come back asfter he drowned them all and when did that happen?
Lady G;
Settle down, minister. You are a minister? Did you mean "sinister"? You have no peace because you cannot rectify to all the lies you have concocted from internet garbage.
Well, if we are going to play 20 questions, then answer these. They are relevent to the discussion. I choose not to change the subject at hand, as is the common hubpages cop out to run and hide among the other pretenders when they don't deal with the subject. Who is your mentor in the Word? What is their credentials? Who do you run your twists of scripture past for validation?
You say, "I bet you can't read any history becasue you have been indoctrinated so much as to everything else is a lie." My challenge is always the same to all the liars on hubpages. You will not accept it. But if you want to challenge my academic achievements against yours, fine. The one who achieved the least in education, quits hubpages forever. Ready? Will you back up your false accusations? Of course not. Are you just like the others who have a masters of stupid, lousy internet garbage? That is not nearly good enough. Just study the doctors and masters of religion for a change. Dump the garbage sites and get enrolled in religious training. Hey, even a dreaded church may be able to help...
Some minister...
Allookup;
I did see Arkwriter's hub. I am just not sure where I stand on it all, so I wanted to wait and see what was presented. Once the maggots arrived, though, it was no longer about the subject at hand. You and I have stood our ground publically so much that we wil be blasted whatever we say. We are just not politically correct, I guess. Somehow, we missed the free hubpages frontal lobotomies necessary to fit in, lol.
I used to think moving concrete was the hardest thing there is. Now, I think it is posting God's truth on hupages. What flavor of kool aid do you think makes hell disappear? I am sure is is not over the counter medication that gives someone the half baked notion of salvation to all, huh? Oh, I guess that is not a very Christian thing for me to do. "A Christian thing to do"...what is that? I guess they have a list of Christian things to do that is separate from the Bible and the Holy Spirit, you think? How many times do you think you need to get knocked in the head to get it?
Oh well, enough of my dumb jokes... The concrete truck arrives in 1.5 hours. See you tonight maybe...
Gen 6:8 But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD.
VP - thanks for the compliment about my Believers Atheists and Agnostics hub. I believe in trying to clarify muddy waters.
Sir D - on Arkwriter's hub, in response to my comment about the very different natures of the books of the NT, you said that John of Revelations is the same as John the disciple. I thought the general consensus was that there is a gap of far too many years for this to be true, and many studies (of phraseology, etc) support the view of different authorship. Apart from quoting me the claim to be one and the same in Revelations itself, what is your evidence that they are the same author?
VP, you want the truth then read my latest hub. That is if you can handle the truth.
VP, I'd say the coolaid flavor is probably sour grape LOL. Thanks for your concern. I think I'm about done with arkwriters hub. Although, like I posted on there, I am not sure that Obama is the anti-christ, but I like the fact that he asked the question respectfully and looking for knowledge. Many on there seem to think it's a scary subject. But not me. I think it's exciting because if he is the anti-christ then we are going Home soon. How exciting is that!?!?! To think we may not have to die? So, maybe he is right and I'm wrong. If that's right, we'll see Jesus soon! :) You are right about me taking it easy, I can feel today that I didn't do so good a job at that yesterday. So, I'm paying for it today. Don't overdo yourself with that concrete!
SirDent, thank you for your voice of clam. That is much needed. At least to me it is! Thanks! I kinda feel for Noah before that first drop of rain. Imagine telling people something was going to just fall out of the sky that had never happened before. And you keep waiting and waiting and waiting, nothing happens. Then 120 years later, that first drop! And he then had proof he had done the right thing. All that laughing at and torture was worth it. I bet those people who laughed at him thought about all the warnings he gave them all those years before they died and then after they died too. He could have been mean and said 'neener neener neener, I told you so!' out the window of the ark I guess. But then again, he loved those people enough to warn them for their own souls all those years. In reality, it had to be very painful for him to see all those peple dying, knowing they were not saved. And God rewarded him for what he did.
Lady, are you Jack Nicholson now? hahahahahahahahaha
Just read it my dear! Stop the attitude that you are better than anyone else. Just go read it all thye way trhough!
Paraglider, I had a comment for you all typed in and sent but it disappeared. Will try again later this evening.
I do not feel I'm better than anyone else because I'm not. Might want to look in the mirror when talking about attitude.............
Knowledge is nessicary to life and Godliness, It does away with darkness, suspense, and doubt. These things cannot exist where knowledge is. Just as light cannot occupy the same space as darkness.
God has more power than all other beings because he has greater knowledge; and hence he has power to subject all other beings to him. He has power over all.
As far as we degenerate from God, we descend to the Devil and loose knowledge. If you study Evil, then there is no room for good; But if you study Good things then you become apt for heavenly virtue. Is God good? Then you be good! Is he faithful? Then you be faithful!
Hi there Onusonus. Don't think I've talked to you a few days. How you doing?
Great post and well said, as usual.
I'm good! I've been indulging in a few hobbies lately.
Lady G, I have to call you out on this. You are over on Misty's hub calling VP 'crazy' and saying other things about him to other people, all of which are negative. If you are going to talk about him and call him names, at least have the guts to do it here on his hub so he can see it. He's plainly said that he's busy today with pouring concrete. So he's not able to be on here surfing to see. Talking behind his back and calling names is the traits listed in the Bible for a minister, right?
Onusonus, I'm glad your doing that. It's always good to have hobbies. My husband dosen't have much time to do his since he's working so much. Any advice on how to get him more time? I make sure everything is done here at home so he doesn't have to do anything when he gets here but eat supper. Any advice would be appreciated.
I did it here! You have a problem with reading and understanding.
Hi friends and family.
Just thought I would stop by and say "hello". ~ eddie
Hey eddie!! Great to see you as always!! :) Hi to Barbie!! :)
Lady, you have not said all of that stuff on here. And what you said my problem is, is not what my problem is. If only everyone had a sweet, nuturing, patient, humble, longsuffering, godly, thoughtful, loving minister as you, what a wonderful world this would be.
I said all of it on here! Go look back. If you don't have a problem with it then leave me alone!
How condescneding of you--which makes you look like a fool! Don't expect me back on this hub you can reach me on my hub that I made this morning about A mind is a terrible thing to waste or the real title is: The Churches Techniques in getting your mind and your soul.
Allshookup;
Wow, thanks for the heads up on Lady G out slandering me on hubs that I am not even on. As I often say, an insult from a jerk is really a compliment. If she was off saying how great I am, I would really freak out.
She has good reason to be against me. I am out to end her party, and she is very fearful that the truth of the Word will expose her twisting of it. We have given her all the warning she needs. She will keep up her current path if she can.
I really don't know what drives some of these people. I really think the absence of God makes a person crazy.
The concrete was a masterpiece, by the way. I had three other guys to work with, and one of them is a concrete artist. It is beautiful.
Thanks again for filling me in on the latest soap opera in atheist land, I mean hubpages.
Mar 4:14 The sower soweth the word.
Joh 4:37 And herein is that saying true, One soweth, and another reapeth.
Sow the seeds and leave them alone is what is being said here. if we sow seeds in our garden, do we watch them constantly? Of course not. We water them and eventually they do come up, but to watch them constantly helps nothing and is a hardship on us if we would do it.
Just sow the seeds that God has given you. Take them out of the barn, for they do no good in the barn. Glory to God forevermore \o/
Paraglider, I haven't forgetten your request.
As I was trying to post earlier, John was the disciple that was closest to Jesus. He is the one who was at the cross when Jesus was hanging from it. He is the author who wrote the gospel of John and the other three books of John. He also wrote the book of Revelation.
As far as phraseology goes, as we get closer to Jesus, we change. We have to change, not of our own doing. The Holy Ghost will change us and our speech changes, the way we dressm the way we act, etc. . .
I know this probably isn't an acceptable answer for you but it's what I have.
Hi VP, apologies for barging in again, but please can I just clarify the definition of an 'Atheist'.According to Infidels.org. The precise meaning is:
"atheism Disbelief in, or denial of, the existence of a god"
Now I don't count myself under this category simply because I truly do believe in both a God and Jesus.
I also feel that LG has made it pretty clear she does too, so it it is kind of frustrating to be constantly referred to as being 'Atheist'.
Even though I am sure ASU is no doubt a lovely person, she certainly seems to have me pinned down in her mind as being a 'Greek God Worshipping, Atheist, Jesus hating, person who advises people on where to buy cheap drugs, at the same time as no doubt sticking pins in my Jesus effigy and apparently believing every dream I have is prophetic'.
I wouldn't mind if these were true, but:
1) I don't worship Greek Gods, I simply wrote a hub about the Pagan Greek God worship.
2) I am not an Atheist for the reasons I stated above.
3) I do not hate Jesus, in fact I totally believe in his existence and trust him completely.
4) I do not do drugs, and when I did several years ago it was only Cannabis (i.e. made from God's plants, not chemicals), I never, ever tried anything else, (in spite of having many opportunities), and that was years ago anyway. I simply stated my experiences on a hub that was actually about the drug 'LSD', and everyone else was also stating their own experiences, including on hard drugs, (and that hub was 2 months ago).
5) I do not believe every dream anyone has is prophetic simply because I wrote a hub on dream meanings. Is it not possible however that certain dreams are sent to us by our God as a message/warning, and that maybe, just maybe, the reason we can dream at all is so he can send us these messages? This is not to say every dream is relevant, as many are simply nonsense dreams caused by what we have eaten or drunk the night before, or by other confusion going on in our minds.
I would be very grateful if you will allow this post so I have a fair opportunity to put the record straight as to my character and my beliefs.
Thanks VP.
Creed written by Rich Mullins
I believe in God the Father almighty
Maker of Heaven and Maker of Earth
And in Jesus Christ
His only begotten
Son, our Lord
He was conceived by the Holy Spirit
Born of the virgin Mary
Suffered under Pontius Pilate
He was crucified and dead and buried
CHORUS:
And I believe what I believe
Is what makes me what I am
I did not make it, no it is making me
It is the very truth of God and not
The invention of any man
I believe that He who suffered
Was crucified, buried, and dead
He descended into hell and
On the third day, rose again
He ascended into Heaven where
He sits at God's mighty right hand
I believe that He's returning to
Judge the quick and the dead
Of the sons of men
CHORUS
I believe it, I believe it
I believe it
I believe it, I believe it
I believe in God the Father almighty
Maker of Heaven and Maker of Earth
And in Jesus Christ His only begotten
Son,Our Lord
I believe in the Holy Spirit
One Holy Church,
the communion of Saints
The forgiveness of sin
I believe in the resurrection
I believe in a life that never ends
CHORUS
I believe it, I believe
I believe it, I believe
I believe it, I believe it
Good morning friends and family.
SirDent that is beautiful.
Amen
Proverbs 26:17 He who passes by and meddles in a quarrel not his own is like one who takes a dog by the ears. NKJV
Proverbs 26:20-22
20 Where there is no wood, the fire goes out;
And where there is no talebearer, strife ceases.
21 As charcoal is to burning coals, and wood to fire,
So is a contentious man to kindle strife.
22 The words of a talebearer are like tasty trifles,
And they go down into the inmost body. NKJV
Mistyhorizon2003;
You are never barging in here. You are always welcome here. I am sure Allshookup will reply as she feels up to it. Hopefully, you realize that she recently went through serious surgery. That is not to take away from her comment whatsoever, just to note that she is often absent from hubpages for extended periods.
As to my take on this, atheist is a broad term. There is no one definition. It has grown to take on multiple meanings. I think Allshookup and I take a stronger definition than many due to our total dedication to the 100% accuracy of the Bible. Perhaps the overall world might view it less strongly, I don't know. Nor do I know what she has in mind.
I too am on a short window of time this morning, as I am in the middle of a big project. We will work this all out, OK? Just be patient.
All the comments this morning lead me to a dilemma. I would love to hear how everyone looks at it. I hope my brief stab at this makes it clear what I am wondering. I doubt it will...
Hubpages is a place where atheists (using my definition) thrive. Often Allshookup and I venture into the midst of these discussions. We face stern resistance, to say the least.
Perhaps, you all may think we should not go there. Perhaps you think we are wrong to go there.
I strongly disagree after years of this very activity. I do not think for a minute that God's name should be bantied about as if He was some pal at the bar. His name means less than that in many people on hubpages. I could frankly not care less what most of these people think, as Allshookup and I have clearly warned them of the results of that belief over time. However, I do not think that excuses their writing it in a public place such as this. So, I fight it as strongly as I can.
It probably won't surprise anyone to read that I think instead there should be armies of believers who are assigned particular days and times to represent the true Word. I think no blasphemy post should go unchallenged and should be overcome with the truth. I think every single argument against our Lord should be painstakingly ground to dust.
Perhaps you think I am a meddlesome gossiper. I get that opinion all the time on this thread. I do not think I should be silenced or weakened in my stance that God is disgusted at the weak stance of Christians, particularly on the internet.
If you want another example, just go view the largest religious forum in the world, craigslist religion forum, and you will see what I mean.
I think this is growing a generation of religious nuts like has never been seen. I feel that Christianity is seriously threatened, now.
Maybe you will say it is the end times. I say, "what if it is not?" I also say that does the end times mean that Christians are supposed to just sit silent and post stuff that no one will read in places these people will never go? Are we supposed to preach to the choir, even in the end times?
This may seem very pointed, and I guess it is. I sense a real strong divergence of opinion on this issue. I am not one to beat around the bush, as you all know. I think we should put all the cards on the table. If we disagree, I think we should have the courage to air our views. Frankly, this has been a tough time on hubpages for me, and I feel certain that it is for Allshookup, too. Having spent little time, the rest of us may be in the same battles that I am just not seeing. We face stupid comments all the time that frustrate our efforts to have meaningful discussion of the Word. Then we get insulted big time on top of it.
To me, it is hard to have persistence in my efforts to clearly state common sense descriptions of the Word in reply to blatant blasphemy of the Lord. Maybe you think I should not present views that way. Perhaps you wonder if I know the Word sell enough to post my views and have them be right. I have all those questions...
I feel that Allshookup has taken as strong a stance against this evil as anyone I ever have seen on the internet at a time where she is laying her health on the line for Him. I think her interpretation of the Bible is easily strong enough to post her opinions freely. I feel that all the regulars here have that solid rock of understanding.
Know that I am endlessly insecure on this. The Bible does have two sides on this issue. The main point I would make against staying on the sidelines is the Great Commission. The internet changes everything. For example, there are over 3000 page views of this hub alone. I feel that many of those people are seekers who need direction. To me, disputing the lies of the enemy on the battlefield is the 2008 verion of the Great Commission.
I would love to hear your feedback in clear terms. I love you all, so do not take anything from this personally. The fight against satan is war. I do appreciate how everyone pulls together to defend Him. I see it constantly. I reread this, and I see that I was right that my heart did not convey into my words. Let me restate that I know we are one in Him. I am not critical of how the Holy Spirit moves in anyone else. I know that I have raised this issue before, so if you have nothing further to add, be sure I have captured and reread your earlier posts. I just want to vent my frustratjion agian. If no replies are seen, I feel better because I at least opened the door for anyone to criticize my efforts. I want that very bad if it is deserved. I wil try not to argue my point...
Thanks for your reply and for posting that VP. I much appreciate it.
Eddie, you Rock! Misty, you ain't so bad yourself :)
I am in for just a feew minutes as I am having some problems and am going to the doctor. Not sure if I'll be able to be back today or not. I hope everyone has a great day.
Misty, I copied what you said as to clarify what I meant. I have explained this before but I'll try to do it again. I only told VP that so he'd know what he was up against. You don't find many people who agree with things that are Biblical one mintue then talk about wanting to try LSD the next. The other people on the hub sharing all of their drug stories were not told about because they weren't talking to him on the hub. So, I saw no reason to tell about it. It seemed like useless info to type all of thier names. Also, I don't remember saying anything about you having dreams or whatever you said I said about dreams. I also never said you worshipped greek gods. I never said that you hate Jesus or God. I don't know why you insist on saying these things. I don't know if you goal is to try to make me look like a liar or someone has told you that I have said you have those dreams and worship greek gods or what but it's not true. I see many athiests. Athiests to me are people who do not believe God and Jesus are who They really are or people who say there is no God. You have to admit there are many people like that on hubpages. I know how it is to be attacked, as you have seen Misty. And all I doing was letting VP know what kind of hub he was on so he'd know what to expect. You stated things on this hub that are not true about me at all. There are people on here who believe in greek gods, dreams, say outright that they don't believe in Jesus and God, I've seen a person say they want to 'burn the good book', people saying 'my god' 'your god', there is no hell, etc etc on here. Those are the people who attack us. They don't want to hear what we say. It's their free will to not believe the Bible. People don't have to take our words for it, Bibles are everywhere, they can read it themselves. I never said the words "Misty hates God and Jesus and has dreams and worships greek gods." But there are people who do that, you cannot deny that.
To quote you ASU,
"VP, I have been watching you post on a hub. I read it but didn't post because I have read her hubs and posts before. She has told people where to go to get more affordable drugs, (and I am not referring to the ones you get a script for at the doctor's office) so I didn't post. Those people want to believe legends, dreams, greek gods, anything but the real God because they want to live like they want to pretending that there is no afterlife."
Also my end comment about LSD was " I guess I love the idea of trying LSD in the great outdoors, especially as I am surrounded by countryside, but I am also too scared to chance trying anything else other than cannabis or Spice in case I get addicted to it."
You quoted this out of context without mentioning that i was a hub on LSD, or mentioning that loads of other normal people (many in their 60's plus) were quoting their own experiences of various drugs. You didn't need to 'list all of their names' simply make it clear to the readers here the context in which my comment was written to avoid giving a false impression of my personality and disposition.
Therefore I think I made it pretty clear that I had no intention of trying LSD, and I simply was fascinated by the 'concept' of trying it based on what others had said about their own experiences of it, and how it made even the plants seem to come alive and it was as if they could 'hear them'. This does not mean I ever would try LSD though, but if I did, it does not make me a bad person who does not believe in God, as I can't remember seeing anything in the Bible about LSD, Cannabis or anything similar, (even if I don't have any great inclination to use any of these things at the age I have now reached).
ASU, the top quote above were your words not mine, and anyone reading them would have to concede that you appear to be assuming I believe in Greek Gods, Legends and that I am encouraging people to go and try cheap drugs from the places I apparently'recommended'. I also never stated there was no afterlife, but you assumed from your post that this was what I believed.
I cannot say I have ever come across anyone here on Hubpages who believes or worships Greek Gods, and doubt there are any, but I am open to being proven wrong on this, although I would be surprised to say the least!
I have no personal gripe with you, and I genuinely am sorry to hear you have been ill, but all I ask is you please stop judging me according to what you think you have learned from reading my comments and articles. I am in no doubt, as much of a God and Jesus loving person as you are, but in a way that I am comfortable with. I don't need to be 'saved' as I am already safe in the knowledge God and Jesus love me because they see how much I care for the planet and the creatures on it day to day.
I hope you feel better soon.
Make a joyful shout to the Lord, all you lands!
Serve the Lord with gladness;
Come before His presence with singing.
Know that the Lord, He is God;
It is He who has made us, and not we ourselves;
We are His people and the sheep of His pasture.
Enter into His gates with thanksgiving,
And into His courts with praise.
Be thankful to Him, and bless His name.
For the Lord is good;
His mercy is everlasting,
And His truth endures to all generations.
Psalms 100 NKJV
Amen Eddie. \o/ :D
Something I wrote a few days ago. Haven't published it yet but going to when the time is right. it's just a little rough around the edges but the message is there.
Won't you Come
He can take the filthy garment and give you a robe of white
He can take away all your sins and give you a brand new life
He can set you on a solid rock where you'll be able to stand
His grace is enough to renew each and every man
Won't you come, won't you come
Give the burdens of your life to Him won't you come
Won't you come, won't you come
No one loves you like he does, won't you come.
He can take away your hard heart and give you a heart of flesh
No more your soul to wander in Jesus you'll find rest
He can take away all your fears and give you peace so sweet
Just come and bow before the Lord humbly at His feet
Won't you come, won't you come
Give the burdens of your life to Him won't you come
Won't you come, won't you come
No one loves you like he does, won't you come.
Amen SirDent, that is good.
ASU,
In answer to your previous question, I think that I should put into context my dedication to my hobbies. They are spread out over the week and usually I only spend an hour or so, a day on things that dont involve leaving the house, ie.. (Playing Guitar, Geneological reaserch, Painting, 'Which I suck at!' and talking to you fellas!) But mostly I chase three little toddlers around the house and help clean up the mess.
For your situation, the only thing that I could suggest is, refraining from turning on the glowing box in the living room that demands so much of our attention. Or he could just cut out a few hours of sleep at night! (Kidding!)
SirDent;
Sorry it has been a busy week. I really like your poem (or song) Won't You Come. I hope you have resolved yoiur role on hubpages. I haven't, but I sense the Lord calling me back to the front lines.
I had a torn rotator cuff (really bad) that sat me down a couple of years ago. My Mom, a nurse, felt that ws the best option, and it appears it was.
Oh well, enough of that...
Onusonus;
Your handle fits you so well. I remember the days where my boys were toddlers. I am so glad that yu get to spend the time with them. Enjoy it with all your strength. There is nothing like being a part of your children growing up. It is a part of life much like religion and marriage.
I guess I will never know how far astray people can get from the truth of life when God has blessed us with riches, right here on earth, that can more than fully consume us. Imagine what awaits...
Sir Dent - thanks for the response, and you're right, it doesn't really convince me that we're dealing with the same John. I've read many articles disputing it.
But we can agree on something - since you are a bass player and I am a guitarist, we could probably make music together if we ever stopped arguing ;)
Three little monkeys slapping me in the head all day long, YAY! They realy are great though.
Psa 50:6 And the heavens shall declare his righteousness: for God is judge himself. Selah.
Psa 51:4 Against thee, thee only, have I sinned, and done this evil in thy sight: that thou mightest be justified when thou speakest, and be clear when thou judgest.
Rom 3:4 God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.
Paraglider, I have always loved music. The ability to play bass has come from God above and it is for His glory that I play.
I am just here for a little while. I wanted to come in and ask for those of you who pray to please remember our family right now. My father-in-law has had a major stroke. He is fanally conscience, but is talking about things that happened 30 years ago. He doesn't think he's in the hospital, he thinks he's at his old house from the 70s. We don't know the full extent of it yet. Although the doctors say he cannot go back home alone. And he will need rehab. We are hoping to bring him back home with us. Everything is up in the air right now. Please remember him in your prayers. And please remember us that we do the right things. Thanks in advance! I hope everyone is well. I'm not sure when I'll be back on.
Allshookup;
Oh, I am so sorry about your father in law having a stroke. Of course, we will pray for you all that he is OK. We will also pray for you and your whole family in this. The timing is awful for you, since you are still recovering. Please take care of yourself, too. Please keep us posted on everything. God bless you and yours.
Prayers are going up ASU.
I wish your Father-in-Law well ASU, as my Sister had a stroke when she was just 27, and even now she is 43 she still has problems stemming from the stroke, and is unable to work any more.
I also had an ex-fiance who had previously had a stroke, and I know one night whilst we were living in Tenerife he had a bit of a setback caused by pressure on his brain. He became convinced I was his mistress, and that he needed to get home because his first wife would be wondering where he was. The trouble was he had been married twice since her, and of course the place he had lived with her was in Guernsey, not Tenerife. It was really scary as he had never warned me this could happen at any time, and even the next morning he still thought he was 20+ years in the past. Altogether it took over 14 hours for him to return to normal and realise where he was and who he was with thesedays.
allshookup,
Barbie and I are keeping your father-in-law and your family in prayer. Your request is on my hub for praise with my response and I've posted a notice on my hub for wisdom in an attempt to get the word out.
We love you and we are praying for you.
Take care of yourself through this difficult time. ~ eddie
Eph 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
Eph 6:13 Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.
Good Morning Friends. We must remember what we are up against. So many times we fight against one another while our enemy laughs in the darkness. It is time to stand and fight the "good fight" of faith.
1Jo 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
Good Morning my friends. \o/
SirDent, you are not alone. I just got here. We are home now.
I wanted to check in and thank everyone who is supporting us with prayer. My father-in-law is doing better. His blood and vitals are better. Although he still doesn't know where he is and doesn't recognize people. One side of his body is slower to move than the other. The doctors think that rehab will help that. So, prayers are working. We still have hope that he can recover more.
We are trying to relax a little bit. I think being at a hospital is more exhausting than a day working. I think it's the emotional toll it takes on a person. It's good to be back.
SirDent, I read your post about arkwriter, I'm gonna check it out.
To all of you who are praying, thank you so much. It's much needed and much appreciated. It's great to have support of Christan brothers and sisters. I don't know how people who don't have that kind of support go through tough times. It's sure helping us. Thank you all so much! We are praying for God to bless all of you because y'all deserve it!!!!!!
ASU, the brain is a wonderful instrument, and it has a way of finding other routes to get around the damaged areas, only this takes time. Be patient, your Father-in Law will show progress I am sure, but it won't be instantaneous.
I also know how exhausting a day at the hospital can be. I spent two weeks sleeping at the hospital in a chair by my late Husband's bed when he was diagnosed with terminal bowel Cancer. He still died, but we got him home for the final 48 hours. I dropped to 5.5 stone in weight (approx 34.9 KG's), due to the stress of it all. I was totally nursing him and juggling sick bowls and urine bowls. Believe me it wasn't easy, read my hub on the subject if you wish to (" Bowel Cancer Stole my Husband at 48 years old").
I tuly hope your Father in Law will be okay, but be patient, it may take time.
Misty, thanks so much. I appreciate it!
You are welcome ASU, it must be very stressful for you all right now, but keep your faith and your hope, as the body can heal amazingly, and my Sister following her stroke is proof of this, (and her's was over 16 years ago now).
We are staying hopeful. Our son is very upset because he doesn't recognize him. We feel that with rehab and time that he will improve. I know time will tell, but since it's so early, we feel he will improve. Thanks for the encouragement.
Have faith ASU, as I said before, the brain can heal itself and find other routes around the problem areas. Yes, it will take time, but your Father-in Law could ultimately end up only slightly short of what he was before. Tell your Son to have faith, the human body is a miracle in itself. Good luck.
Allshookup;
How are you holding up? I must sound like a broken record telling you to be careful for yourself. Try not to overdo things, as you are still recovering.
I am glad that things may have stabilized. We continue to pray for you and your's...
SirDent;
I am sorry that I have been absent. I continue to do very heavy physical work (for an old geezer like me anyway). I am still juggling building two sheds and tearing one down first. Also, we have wonderful company for the holidays.
I did notice your appeal to Arkwriter's hub. I have watched it, but I really don't know how to jump in the midst of all that stuff. Really, it seems that everyone has lined up in their usual camps. Then the battle ensued. If I join in, that will stir up the hornet's nest big time. So far, Arkwriter seems to be holding up by only commenting sporadically. He has taken so many unfair shots, as we are accustomed.
I continue to pray for him, you and the other Christians on that hub.
Prayer is needed more than anything VP.
Hey VP. I am trying to take it easy. I'm sore right now, but I've not been where I could rest. I will rest tonight as soon as we get the doctor's report. We are waiting right now for that. Seems I missed a lot while I was gone. But I'm not much up to catching up to all of it. I have tried to help on arkwriters hub, but I think I'm about to give it up at least for the night. I agree that he has handled himself well against such harsh attacks. I can understand those who are not saved being that way to him, but to see those who are claming to be Christians to attack, that to me is harsh and very unChristian. I said in there many times that I don't think he's the anti-christ, but that arkwriter has the right to voice what he feels and I respect him for being composed as he has. There are things that it's hard for me to stand by and say nothing about like: you can get to Heaven without Jesus, there are many gods, God is not real, etc etc. Those things are purely wrong and I tend to speak up when I see that most of the time because that has to do with how people get to Heaven and could damage someone's beliefs about how to be saved. But, when it's something like this, I don't see any reason to argue because I don't have that strong an opinion about it and this subject doesn't have to do with how to get to Heaven and He certainly doesn't speak against God. So, I can't find anything I can say against him. He may be right. I just hate to see him being trashed like he is. But, like you said, he is handling it well. Thank you so much for your continued concern, support and prayers. They mean so much right now.
ASU, I just sent you an email.
I just sent one to you!
2Pe 3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
2Pe 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
2Pe 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
Good Morning my Friends. \o/ :D
Allshookup;
I am also not all that passionate about whether Obama is the antichrist or an antichrist, yet. He has done very little work for America, and so I am bothered that he is president. Still, I do not know how far to carry it. I do try to keep up on the comments, but by the time I read something that I would react to, it is aready past. The posts are fast and furious, huh?
There seems to be a group of atheists (or whatever they call themselves - that is the best description I have for that group) that travels around together. Once one argues, they all gang up. Like you, the thing that infuriates me is that some of them call themselves Christians. Of course, on another hub, one might be a pagan. Then another might be unsure. Then another will be something else.
SirDent was right that it is a hub that needs attention from us. My schedule and lack of Obama study has me handcuffed. I will continue to try to look in on it. I think it is wonderful for SirDent to keep the radar out for places to glorify Him.
Arkwriter has shown grace and rstraint, and he is certainly to be commended for it.
Allshookup;
Is there any update on your father in law's condition? We continue to pray for you all.
2Pe 3:4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.
2Pe 3:5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:
2Pe 3:6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:
Good Morning my Friends. \o/
Sir D - I've published a new hub which mentions you by name and links to your Palestine hub. I don't think you will object to what I've said, but if you do, please tell me and I will edit it.
Thanks !
I have no problem with it Paraglider no matter what it says. I haven't looked at it yet but I will as soon as I send this comment.
I so often have heard it said, "there is no need for church, there is no Hell, and I am no devil." and yet the storm rages and few seek shelter.
I wonder, are we headed into another great depression? But if so, should we truely be affraid? I say no, (To the fear part at least.)
Onusonus;
I agree that there is more anti Christian rhetoric than I have ever seen. The sentiment against the Bible has never been greater, in my opinion.
Lack of morals and ethics is a big part of the mess we are in. A lot of it is just Americans' stupidity to let the government get away with what they did. We got lazy and greedy, and that is not a good combination, huh?
I don't think we will face a depression, but I agree that there is no reason to fear.
VP - I can't agree that there is a lot of anti-Christian rhetoric. I've seen hardly anyone take a stand against moderate or private Christians. However, extremists inevitably draw censure on their own heads. I think you are refering to the Arkwriter hub. His extreme bad taste in describing Obama in such terms has been censured by people of every persuasion, Christians among them. He has himself to blame.
Paralider;
Well, we just disagree, then. Perhaps the difference we have is what is anti Christian. I am sure that you can understand that my sentiments against those who rail against Christianity hits me deeper than you. I sense that you have your hot buttons, as well. I try to avoid them, as you try to avoid mine. Others do not do that.
What is anti Christian is primarily what is against God, not just people, in my view. The Bible is the total Word of God, so twisting it's words is coming against God and anti Christian, as I see it anyway. I could easily find 100 anti Christian posts in the last week alone if I wanted. So could you.
While some of the Arkwriter hub comments are good examples of blasphemy against God, they are far, far from the only examples. Arkwriter has made many good points that have stopped me to think. He knows the Word well, as he has shown it so far. I have seen no valid argument against his points except common sense. Of course, it is a little early to prove his question, one way or the other. I am not sure whether the common sense is sensible or not. Time will tell, but that does not validate the blasphemy that went into the comments. I do not see why there is such outrage against the Arkwriter hub.
Arkwriter just asked a simple question. Whether he is right or wrong, he has backed up many of his assertions, as I see it. It is all the anti Christian comments against it that irk me, not that all the comments were stupid, quite the opposite. They have nothing to back up many of them. It is just opinion against...
Don't you agree that, for the most part, it is very predictable when you read a hub who will say what?
Paraglider;
Oh I forgot to add the Great Commission. You say that people do not come against moderate and private Christians. Well, who cares? I will not let anyone dictate to me how I serve the Lord. I will shout it to the ends of the earth, just as I am commanded. Perhaps those moderate and private Christains will not inherit the Kingdom of God for not doing as He has commanded. Again, only time will tell.
I will never be a moderate or private Christian. God tells us that if we are lukewarm, we disgust Him. I am far more concerned how my Lord views me than any person or all persons.
Mat 27:51 And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent;
Mat 27:52 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,
Mat 27:53 And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.
Glory to God \o/ Good Morning my Friends.
Well, I don't want to bring the Arkwriter hub here, except to say that both he and Sir Dent have claimed to know who will go to hell and what will happen to them there. So far, they have burned and consumed Ghandi, Countrywomen's grandfather and my parents. I don't think it is their place to do that. Certainly it is in the worst possible taste.
Paraglider, I merely answered a question that you had asked more than once around HubPages. After the first time I saw the question I started studying about it to see for myself. I actually didn't want to answer, but you kept pushing it.
The phrase, be careful what you ask for comes to mind. Anyway, I answered your question and condemned no one. The way is amde and God made it. I did nothing to make the way but merely walk it to the best of my ability.
Adding to that bit about predictability - yes & no. If you publish a hub that attacks a position, people will come out fighting. It's natural. But if you publish one advocating a position, for the most part people will come in agreeing, or offering their alternative as an optional positive. People fight when threatened, not when one is merely advocating.
Paraglider;
Thank you, as always, for your comments. I know for sure that SirDent, like me, wants to share eternity with you in the same place.
We do try to interpret the Bible correctly for those who can still do something about it. I am certain that no one wanted to offend you. I am sorry that it turned out that way, and I know they are, too.
However, it would be a far worse offense to lie about what the Bible says about salvation. As I recall (and my memory is not all that good), you were asking for that clarification. If I am wrong about that, I apologize. I thought those comments they posted were replies to you, after it was sort of ridiculed that Christians were not bold enough to tell the correct sotry. Again, in my rush this morning, maybe I just dreamed that...
I agree that the Arkwriter hub comments belong on the Arkwriter hub. I am sorry for getting it combined...
Christians should all realize that only Jesus can rule on salvation. We are just here to convey what He says He will use as criteria. We believe that only Jesus determines eternity. He did say that if we do not know Him here, He will not know us at that time.
Sir Dent - my father was a (British) Conservative in his politics. He came across as very hard line when generalising about strikers, immigrants, the unemployed. But that was all theory. When dealing with individuals, he was entirely humane. Illogical, maybe, but I've known many like that. And that is why I push that question. It is far easier to condemn 'unbelievers' than to tell someone that her beloved grandfather is in a lake of fire for all eternity. I know you didn't make the rules, but not all Christians believe these are the rules. Have you no doubts? Are you the closest to God, that you know his will better than so many of your fellows? These are tough questions, but I don't doubt you're tough enough to take them.
Paraglider;
It all comes down to faith as we have said countless times. If our faith is correct (and of course we think it is correct), then we are obligated to give the message of what all it takes for salvation.
Speaking for SirDent, all I think he does is tell what the Bible says. Lots of people you may think are Christians get salvation ALL WRONG. They say God will allow all to be saved. That is not what the Bible says. They say that belief in Jesus is enough. WRONG. They say there is not a hell. WRONG. I could go on endlessly, and there are very few on hubpages that get it right. Only Jesus knows the total picture, so we are to work out our salvation with fear and trembling. That is why we do not tell who is going to heaven or to hell. It is not our decision.
We simply want everyone to know what the Bible says. SirDent is not making this up. As I believe I heard him say, he did not write the book.
Actually we believe it is the humane thing to do (if certainly not the popular thing to do) to tell what the Bible says. In private, SirDent and I would have a much harsher picture of the narrow path to salvation than what we routinely post here. Whether that makes us crazy, mean, unpopular, wrong or any of the other insults we endure is not the point.
We just want everyone to make informed decisions. Would it really be humane to just shut up and be popular while many went to hell due to our refusal to honor Him as He commanded us. We are to tell the world of Him, and that includes all the scriptures, not just the smoochie poochies. Sure God is great, merciful and gracious, but is also angry and jealous.
Here is an analogy that maybe tells about that. The prom queen did not go around asking every guy in school to like her. She knew she demanded respect. Those who fell short of her expectations did not date her. She wrote the rules by whick guys could date her, not the guys. The path to dating the prom queen was narrow.
I doubt if you would really disagree with the ingredients of salvation practically, given that you believed in God. The ingredients of an obedient lifestyle are probably the ingredients of your's. However, that is clearly not the case of many who leave scathing comments on hubpages against Christians. I doubt if you would find a lot of fault with the deeds of true Christians. Faith without works is dead.
Blessed Thanksgiving,
I haven’t posted here for a while but I am going to say this.
I stay away from debates as much as possible. I even restrain from commenting on articles from my friends if I believe it will generate debates. Whether that makes me a weak Christian is for my God to judge.
Nonetheless, I am not afraid to stand up for what is right. SirDent has been a tremendous blessing to me. I appreciate both VP and allshookup as being very sincere Christians.
The issue, as I see it is what one’s base of authority is. To the true Christian it is the Word of God. That has to be our starting point. If we have no agreement on that foundation, we will never come to an agreement on what is true and what is a lie.
Since the Word of God is our authority we must use it as the final authority. It is God’s Word. If we quote God’s Word correctly in context then we have but passed on what God says. If anyone has a problem with that, their problem is not with true Christians but with God and His Word. I say, take it up with Him.
Now you know why I stay away from debates.
Thank God for His Word. ~ eddie
I agree with you Eddie, if you disagree with somone, I say do as our own families would do with us; change the subject. If theres no convincing the other person, remember the commandment of love.
Very good onusonus. Also remember, "Love covers a multitude of sins."
Fair comment, VP, though I don't agree about the bible being God's word. We can let it rest there.
Being separate and yet seeking common ground
2 Corinthians 6:14-16
Do not be unequally yoked together with unbelievers. For what fellowship has righteousness with lawlessness? And what communion has light with darkness? 15 And what accord has Christ with Belial? Or what part has a believer with an unbeliever? 16 And what agreement has the temple of God with idols? For you are the temple of the living God. As God has said:"I will dwell in them And walk among them. I will be their God, And they shall be My people." NKJV
1 Corinthians 9:19-23
For though I am free from all men, I have made myself a servant to all, that I might win the more; 20 and to the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might win Jews; to those who are under the law, as under the law, that I might win those who are under the law; 21 to those who are without law, as without law (not being without law toward God, but under law toward Christ), that I might win those who are without law; 22 to the weak I became as weak, that I might win the weak. I have become all things to all men, that I might by all means save some. 23 Now this I do for the gospel's sake, that I may be partaker of it with you. NKJV
1 Cor 9:22-23
When I am with those who are weak, I share their weakness, for I want to bring the weak to Christ. Yes, I try to find common ground with everyone, doing everything I can to save some. I do everything to spread the Good News and share in its blessings.Holy Bible, New Living Translation ®, copyright © 1996, 2004 by Tyndale Charitable Trust. Used by permission of Tyndale House Publishers. All rights reserved.
1 Cor 9:22
the defeated, the demoralized — whoever. I didn't take on their way of life. I kept my bearings in Christ — but I entered their world and tried to experience things from their point of view. I've become just about every sort of servant there is in my attempts to lead those I meet into a God-saved life.(from THE MESSAGE: The Bible in Contemporary Language © 2002 by Eugene H. Peterson. All rights reserved.)
Heb 11:7 By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house; by the which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith.
Good Morning Friends. \o/
Love the scriptures you posted Bro Eddie.
Eddie;
I am really confused.
You have repeatedly stressed that the scriptures allegedly say not to argue with others, to paraphrase you. I am not certain what your motive is behind that, so I have tried to actually be the one not to argue about it. Instead, I have worn my heart on my sleeve that I am deeply hurt by this, to no avail. It just continues.
If your motive to write this is to validate your approach, I guess I take no issue with it. However, I do not feel that way from any of the scriptures you have posted here. I do that because I know that we must be a unified house. Still, I cannot help but feel that you are incriminating me for not taking that approach. Otherwise, I do not feel that you would post actual scriptures.
I hate to feel this way over and over, but the evil one is very tricky. I think we should see what the Bible actually says about this issue, and you have demonstrated that you are willing to do that. However, I fear that, if I post what the Bible says in contrast to that, you will be upset. After all, you say you will not argue or debate. This is a real catch 22, wouldn't you agree?
I am not sure how to approach this, but it keeps being an issue with you. Most of your posts here seem to indicate the same approach. Perhaps you will elaborate....
It is most astonishing to every principle of intellegence that any man or woman will close their eyes upon eternal things after they have been made aquainted with them, and let the things of this world, the lusts of the eye and the lusts of the flesh, entangle their minds and draw them one hair's breadth from the principals of life. Yet we are forced to believe that these tradgic incidences do happen even with our own children.
VP,
Apparently we both are confused, because I fail to see what I have done wrong.
I posted 27 hours ago (as of this moment). I mentioned that I try to avoid debates. (Nothing new there).I mentioned however that I’m not afraid to stand up for what is right and proceeded to give my support for 3 people I consider to be dear Christian friends including you.
I then stated that our authority is the Word of God and we cannot come to an agreement unless we first agree upon our authority. (Perhaps I did get a bit testy on that, but to me that’s the bottom line, if you took that personal, I am sincerely sorry because I did not mean it to offend anyone, nor to start a debate). Just to state what should be obvious to all, until we have something that both parties agree is absolute truth the disagreements will continue.
I posted a second time 10 hours ago. Basically just some scripture that I felt created a thin line for ALL Christian to walk. That is being separate from sinners and yet seeking common ground with them. If this has been offensive to you, I again apologize, nothing was meant in that to be offense or to start a debate.
I do not recall stating that all scripture says not to argue. I know that I try to avoid arguments for personal reasons and I’ve used scripture to support my conviction, but I’ve made it clear that I do not feel everyone has to share my conviction. When you say you don’t know what my motive is, I assume you mean one or both of my two posts.
And I do not know what the "issue" is. If you feel that the scripture I post is to attack you, that is incorrect. I've never attacked you nor do I intend to attack you. Nor am I a coward who will post something meant for ONLY ONE person but not address it to that ONE person.
If I had an issue with you I would simply go away and post what I believe on my hubs. Which is what I recommend people do when they cannot disagree in an agreeable way.
Honestly, I am not going to try and guess what you are referring to or what I have done wrong any more. If I have offended you, I am sorry. If you would like to clarify this issue, perhaps it would be best to send a private email to me with specifics.
Thank you and God bless. ~ eddie
Eddie;
Thanks for your reply. That clears up my confusion. I apologize for reading something into your posts that was not intended. I guess I was just a little thin skinned and took away something personal that was not there. Thank you and God bless you.
Behold, how good and how pleasant it is for brethren to dwell together in unity! Psalms 133:1 NKJV
V P
Thank you. My thin skin is one of those personal reasons (motives) for avoiding debates. Not to mention righteous indignation.
God bless you. ~ eddie
Eddie;
You can't imagine how glad I am to see a post of unity from you this morning. Praise God, or as SirDent would say \o/. It is funny how the attacks of the enemy can beat me down. It probably seems weird, but this stemmed from the recent attacks against Allshookup. While I have been busy with my neighor's shed, I have been unable to come to her defense. I just knew I would be attacked, and I did not have time to field the many negative replies I would generate, making things worse.
Then, I began to feel that I was empowering debates with those who disagree with us, etc. That's quite a stretch, huh?
Thanks for being there for me!
Allshookup;
As I said to Eddie, I am worried for you. You have been through so much in the recent past. I am sorry that I have been so exhausted that I hve been of little help to you here. I have kept you and your family in my prayers.
I hope you will soon update us on things there. How is your father-in-law? How is your recovery going? What were the test results? Yes, I know I am a nosy worry wort. Hey, after all, that is a lot better than what most of the poeple who read my posts calls me, huh (the gang excluded, of course)?
I look forward to hearing from you when you can. In the meantime all our prayers continue unabated.
2Ti 4:1 I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;
2Ti 4:2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
2Ti 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
2Ti 4:4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
2Ti 4:5 But watch thou in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, make full proof of thy ministry.
Good Morning brethren!!! \o/
It is not the same without all the gang around. I miss Allshookup, and I hope she is OK. It would be great if she just has holiday plans or something...
I also miss Secondsamuel. He was a really special guy. I have not seen him around in a while.
I'll hang with ya!
Onusonus;
Thanks for your vote of confidence.
Mar 12:7 But those husbandmen said among themselves, This is the heir; come, let us kill him, and the inheritance shall be ours.
Mar 12:8 And they took him, and killed him, and cast him out of the vineyard.
Mar 12:9 What shall therefore the lord of the vineyard do? he will come and destroy the husbandmen, and will give the vineyard unto others.
They tried many times to kill the Son of God but failed. Death had no authority over Him until He gave His spirit to it. What will the Father do to those who wanted to give the vineyard to others?
Good Morning my friends. \o/
Take God at His Word
Getting children to eat what is good for them can be quite a problem. Convincing them that you mean business takes more strength of character than some parents possess. Yet the mother who lets her child indulge his preference for sweets, instead of such body-building foods as milk, meat, and vegetables, does not really love him as much as the mother who does her best to see that he gets a balanced diet. The parents who give in to a child on matters that affect his future health and character are not loving. They are merely encouraging him to go on getting his way in all future contests of will. They are laying the foundation for trouble for the rest of his life. So it is with God. Unless people believe that He means what He says, they will run to all kinds of excesses, and ruin their lives for time and eternity. Although the Bible consistently proclaims that unbelief and sin, if unrepented of in this life, will result in eternal loss, too many people refuse to take God at His Word. They choose to believe He is too soft-hearted ever to condemn anyone to eternal punishment.
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SirDent;
That is very true. Unfortunately, more people today are not Christians than previously - by a vast number. I agree with you that actions have consequences, botrh good and bad. I believe choices have great consequences, too. We don't have an exact mathematical formula for salvation because God wants it that way.
I know first hand that living with sin is torture. I knew better, but I ignored God while I sinned. I know it unnecessary to beat myself up about it anymore, but I will always be ashamed of my sins. Jesus sure deserved a lot better than I was willing to do at the time.
Thanks for these thoughtful and wise words.
Hello people. We are home. A lot has happened since I posted last. All of you know about my father-in-law, who is doing some better. (Thank all of you for your prayers) My grandmother, (who turned 89 a few weeks ago) fell. She had to be put in the hospital. They found out she has developed pneumonia. They think that's what made her fall, because she was so weak. She'll be in there for a while. She wont be able to stay by herself for a long while after she goes home. She bruised and beat up but is going to be ok. Praise God! She and my father-in-law are in different hospitals. My grandmother is having a hard time physically and emotionally since this was the first holiday since my uncle (her baby son) died this past April. We are going to take turns taking care of her. We are not sure what the schedule is just yet. Also we are trying to figure out how to take care of my father-in-law after his rehab is over. Sorry I haven't been able to update yall. I do sooo appreciate y'all's prayers and concern. God and prayer is what gets us through times like this! I appreciate all of you very much!
Allshookup;
Welcome back. It is great to have you back.
I am glad to hear of your father in law's improvement. That is encouraging. We will pray for more progress.
I am sorry to hear about your grandmother. Falling is so hard on the elderly. I sure will pray that she will recover from it.
How are you feeling?
1Jo 3:18 My little children, let us not love in word, neither in tongue; but in deed and in truth.
Thanks, VP. I'm sorry it took me so long to respond. I was just sitting here, then all of a sudden, I was waking up and it was 2 hours or so later. I really appreciate the prayers!
Act 2:1 And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place. Act 2:2 And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting. Act 2:3 And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them. Act 2:4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.
To God be the glory forever. \o/
If I were an angel and could speak with the voice of thunder, I would sweep through the heavens crying repentance to every soul. But I do sin in my wish, for I ought to be content with the things which the Lord has aloted to me.
Just checking in. Hope everyone is good today.
Onusonus;
I understand your wish. I think it is good to want to warn people of the consequences of their sins. It is not easy to present that message to others. That is rich imagery to think of an angel shouting the truth.
Allshookup;
It was a beautiful day here today. Actually it started out cold, but it was probably upper 60s this afternoon, perfect for working on my neighbor's shed. I hope to have it done this weekend. It is really stout, and I think he will like it.
I hope your day went well. We pray that all your family is progressing in their recoveries.
Thank you so much VP. I think everyone is taking small steps. So that's definately a praise item. My husband has a doctor's appointment Thursday in Memphis for his kidney stones. I've been praying really hard about it. He's in a gread deal of pain. I'd appreciate prayer of him.
Allshookup;
I was glad you listed your husband's kidney stones on your new hub. I guess I must have missed that trial. I know that that is a very painful ailment. We are praying for him and his Dad, you and your grandmother. Obviously, we pray for all your family who are affected, too.
I am so sorry that you are facing such adversity in your family. God is merciful and gracious, and he is making you stronger, as Sciantel relayed on your hub.
In our little ministry, we find that the people who have been there are the ones who are best able to help those who are going through it. You have a special heart to help. God has the perfect plan.
SirDent;
I have found that you are so prolific as a hub writer. You have written so many important messages about Christianity. You seem to really have picked up the pace, but maybe it is just that I have fallen behind on my reading - being on shed detail...
These hubs will endure as testimonies for Him. Hubpages will not be going anywhere any time soon.
Often you write the hub so fast that I was contemplating. I am so glad that you are investing the time in Him to do it. Also, the hubs are very well executed, so that I find myself sort of tongue tied. I don't just like to say "nice hub" when I am just time constrained from writing something extensive about it.
Thank you for giving to the Lord...
I love you, brother.
My focus has been fixed VP.
Joh 9:4 I must work the works of him that sent me, while it is day: the night cometh, when no man can work.
Glory to God forevermore! \o/
Was talking with someone last night. Came to the conclusion that I am never right. My word means nothing. God is the only one who is right. When I speak what He tells me to speak it is He that is right, not me. I get the idea and subject of an article and I start writing, most of the time it is finished within a half hour but sometimes it takes more time. I think it depends on me when it takes longer. I am not fully in the spirit.
VP, Thanks for the encouragement. My husband's last surgery was right before I joined hubpages. He had one the size of a half dollar that totally blocked his left kidney. It was horrible. He was praying out loud asking Jesus to please just take him. I've never seen him hurt with them that bad. He's had stones for about 5 years now, but they have worsened. He's been in a lot of pain the last week or so. He's tried to hold it together with everything else going on, but he's had to give in and make an appointment. Thanks so much for all of your's and everyone's prayers and support and encouragement. We need and appreciate it so very much. Being home the last couple days has helped me to rest. I have to go to get my blood checked here in just a little bit. But the rest has helped me so much. They will run x-rays etc to find out about the stones. When they did the surgery, the x-rays showed he still have 7 stones left in his other kidney. And he's only passed a couple since then. So, he knows that there are some still in there. We'll find out more tomorrow. Thanks again for the prayers! They work!!
SirDent, I admire you so much the way you allow God to use you. You are a great example to follow. Thanks for allowing God to use you to minister to us!
Jer 6:15 Were they ashamed when they had committed abomination? nay, they were not at all ashamed, neither could they blush: therefore they shall fall among them that fall: at the time that I visit them they shall be cast down, saith the LORD.
Jer 6:16 Thus saith the LORD, Stand ye in the ways, and see, and ask for the old paths, where is the good way, and walk therein, and ye shall find rest for your souls. But they said, We will not walk therein.
Jer 6:17 Also I set watchmen over you, saying, Hearken to the sound of the trumpet. But they said, We will not hearken.
Sound familiar to anyone?
It sounds a lot like right now in this world.
Rev 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
Rev 21:2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
Good Morning Friends and Glory to God forever. \o/
SirDent;
Good morning to you!
I sure i wish I had you as a neighbor. This shed is taking twice as long as I planned. I am such an optimist. Everything I build takes me twice as long...
That is why I had a career in business.
Can you tell me what part is holding the shed up VP? I may be able to give some advice.
very good article
SirDent;
Thanks for volunteering. It is no one thing. I am just slow. For example, I believed the door manufacturer whatdoor opening to frame. I spent the morning cutting out the top and one side of the frame to shim and hang it right. I made the birds nests for the soffit and fascia, and that went slow, this morning too.
I am using hardiboard, and it is very easy to crack, particularly the vented soffit. I think I will have to build "dead men" to hang it or hire a helper. It is tough to hire a helper when I am volunteering my time, though...
Thanks again. Want to come to Dallas for a couple of weeks? As you can tell, the pay is lousy, but the weather is pretty good.
Lgali;
Thanks for the encouragement. Aren't you cold in that?
Posted at my home State's Capitol is a sign amid all of the holiday displays, which reads, "There is no God, no devils, no heaven, no hell, no angels, etc..."
Outrageous.
Well, at least the sign is right about that one thing. Take a guess which one.
Rhyms with smell.
Glad you decided to join HubPages Dan. Here to spread more false doctrine?
No Dent. I'm here to expose false doctrine.
I have a question for you Dan. What was the comission Christ gave the Church?
How many times have you asked this same question? I've answered it already. My question to you, is who do you think are the "few" chosen? And if you think all of those not chosen are going to some torture chamber forever, then what is the purpose of those chosen by Christ. Should they bother teaching sound doctrine to those "not" chosen"? Would'nt that be futile?
Onusonus;
That is so sad. I think such a sign here would get a lot of bullet holes shot in it. These cowboys do not take to such things very well. OK, I would be the one shooting, I must admit...
Dan;
I must grant you the perseverence award. That is funny that SirDent pegged you right away.
What else interests you? I cannot think of anything that can be said about the presence of hell from either side. Do you golf or fish? What do you like to do in your spare time? We won't resolve the hell issue. We might as well bury the hatchet and be friends...
Oh, it will be resolved. Might take a little bit (or alot) of judgment but it'll be resolved eventually. Probably not in this life though. Oh that was funny about Dent. I assumed my name was attached to my title but I never noticed it. Anyhow, it's a fitting title here. I go by Music Man at my other forum but I'm actually fellowshipping with like minded believers there.
Oh wait. I meant to say (speaking in thick Chineze accent) Dan? Who is Dan? I do not know a Dan.
Hey Viral, I was thinking about your proposal of us going fishing and I couldn't stop laughing to myself. Now, I have this one ultra conservative friend who thinks Bush was a good president. It has been hard enough for me to shake that one off, but since it's only politics, I can ignore it.
Now, let's suppose we're sitting in a boat with our lines in the water. I'm dipliomatic for the first hour. It's a great day, the fish are biting and you ask "so Dan, what's your favorite sports team?" I answer with "eternal hell? Are you outa your freaking mind!!?"
Eph 3:17 That Christ may dwell in your hearts by faith; that ye, being rooted and grounded in love,
Eph 3:18 May be able to comprehend with all saints what is the breadth, and length, and depth, and height;
Eph 3:19 And to know the love of Christ, which passeth knowledge, that ye might be filled with all the fulness of God.
Good Morning Friends and Brethren. \o/
Dan;
As you may expect, I would get all red in the face and say that I root for Heaven with all I have. Jesus might indeed have to let us walk on water, too, after several hours of you and me in the same boat. It would be rough sailing... Maybe we should fish from the shore...
SirDent;
I love that passage you quoted this morning. (One finger typed).
I so wish I had known the length and height of that door. I was so proud of myself for cutting out another 1/2" from the opening to hang the door. As you know, that is dangerous. I tried the sawsall, a big Milwaukee with a new bit. It was too slow, so I took out the circular saw...dangerous and fast. I got 95% done by lunch (along with bird's nests etc).
I thought I was a real pro in Him by then. So, I fearlessly pulled out the sawsall. My glove caught in it, and for a brief second I wondered in my ring finger was still there. I was afraid to look, but I thought I could feel the tip. Somehow, Jesus - praise His Holy Name - used my fingernail to guard my finger against that big Milwaukee and a new bit. My fingernail is deep purple - not the band - but it will be fine in a couple of days.
I praise the Lord all day, as I do dumb things, and He pulls me through it. Yes, resorting to the circular saw was dumb enough. Next time, I will try to take you up on your generous offer to advise me. I just jump into the job and forget that I do not know what I am doing...
Good day
I read this forum with great interest, however I will admit that I had to skip a lot of the replies... because I'm actually meant to be working... but feel I'd like to add something for the selfish reasons maybe.
I hope not to sound foolish in asking these simple question, however fundamentals of any topic are sometimes easily forgotten. The questions I'd like to pose are, was Jesus a jew or a christian, or did he even associate himself to either? Did Jesus want a church and a religion, or neither? Could his ideas and message work without a religion and a church to inflict it? Are people taking the bible too seriously; I consider it an easy read, but I feel the actual message is easily lost. Just because it is easy to read, doesn't make it easy to understand. Lastly, why the dogmatism and why a God to instil morality?
Good day
I read this forum with great interest, however I will admit that I had to skip a lot of the replies... because I'm actually meant to be working... but feel I'd like to add something for the selfish reasons maybe.
I hope not to sound foolish in asking these simple question, however fundamentals of any topic are sometimes easily forgotten. The questions I'd like to pose are, was Jesus a jew or a christian, or did he even associate himself to either? Did Jesus want a church and a religion, or neither? Could his ideas and message work without a religion and a church to inflict it? Are people taking the bible too seriously; I consider it an easy read, but I feel the actual message is easily lost. Just because it is easy to read, doesn't make it easy to understand. Lastly, why the dogmatism and why a God to instil morality?
Jesus was a Jew, and also He was God. If you recall, a woman came to Him once asking for healing for her daughter who was vexed with an unclean spirit. Jesus at first ignored her. The disciples tried to get Him to send her away, but He told her, "I am Come but only to the Lost House of Israel." She started worshiping Him.
He went on to say that it is not meet (fit) to take the bread of the children and give it to the dogs. He actually called this woman a dog because she was a Canaanite woman. But the one thing it seems many miss. She agreed with Him, She knew she was a dog. And she also said, "yet the dogs eat of the crumbs which fall from their masters' table."
Jesus is the Master who gives crumbs to the dogs. He feeds those who aren't worthy to eat what He has to give. If you worship Jesus in spirit and truth, you will certainly find out who He really is.
Jesus wants a bride. He wants a body of believers who are clean and holy full of righteousness. How can one be righteous? Are you righteous?
There has to be some organization to preach the Words of Jesus to everyone. It simply cannot work unless someone takes the reins first. In the Old Testament it was Moses who led the people out of Egypt. Many others came afterward.
Can a 4th grade student take a college level quantum physics book and read it then know it;s contents? The message is lost only to those who do not fully understand the message. Many don't realize that Christ was preached to Abraham and others in the Old testament, They also don't realize that Abraham also preached Christ in the Old Testament.
As far as morals go, where do they come from? The morals of man differ for each individual, although some are common among all. Some don't think twice about hurting another while others agonize over doing it at a time when there was no choice to do it. So whose morals should we go by? The one who doesn't care, or the one who agonizes over HAVING to do it?
If we bo by both sets, then we have people who don't care to hurt those that agaonize over being forced to fight back.
Hi Bosh;
Those are good questions. I think SirDent gave the answers you requested just fine. I might add that the Jesus did say that He would establish His church on the rock. So, perhaps the question is what should the church be?
I am not sure I caught your question about dogmatism. Maybe that relates to your question about taking the Bible too seriously. I take the Bible seriously because I believe in it totally. I find out new things about it all the time. I think it is much better to take it too seriously than to not take it seriously enough.
I hope this was what you were seeking. If not, please feel free to let us know. Thanks for stopping by and always feel free to come by anytime.
2Co 6:14 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?
Good late Morning my Friends in Christ.
? ? I am a friend of God, I am a friend of God, I am a friend of God He calls me friend. ? ?
Sir Dent, do you have the Hickups?!!
I was trying to use special characters in the last comment. Music notes. They worked until I posted the comment.
Wow, I'm gone a couple days and miss a whole lot.
To report: My husband's xrays shows he has made more stones. He has quite a lot of them now. He's in a lot of pain. They can't figure out why. My grandmother is some better and so is my father-in-law. We've been helping with them. Thanks for the continued prayers.
Onusonus, I saw that on the news about that thing posted about there being no God. I'm sorry that happened in your state. I can't believe someone would allow that to stay. It just shows where God is in our country now huh? So so sad.
ASU I hope your family feels better. During times of crisis some choose to abandon faith when it needs to be embraced, prayer is ignored when it needs to be intensified, virtue is carelessly tossed aside when it needs to be cherished, and God is forsaken in the all to human, yet mistaken concept that he has forsaken us.
I'm sure for your family such is not the case.
Onusonus, I cannot see how people who don't have God and Christians brothers and sisters to lean on in times of crisis make it. I'm so thankful to have all of yall and my church to edify us through these hard times. I am thankful that they are not worse though. There are so many things that could be much worse in our lives. We are truely blessed.
Allshookup;
I am really sorry for your husband. My brother-in-law has kidney stones, and it is an awfully painful ordeal. Your husband really has it tough. I sure hope they can treat it and give him needed relief.
We continue to pray for him, your father-in-law, your grandmother and you. I am sure this is a difficult time for your family, and we look forward to better times there.
Luk 23:46 And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit: and having said thus, he gave up the ghost.
You know, Jesus was perfect in every way. He was completely sinless and death had absolutely no authority over Him. He could not die from the wounds He recieved. He had to give His life back to the Father in order for life to leave His fleshly body.
Glory to God and Him alone for He alone is worthy. \o/
SirDent;
It is amazing to me that God walked as a man for us. He loved and loves us so much. On the religion forum today I see someone calling Jesus a lunatic. I never cease to be amazed at the words that appear on this website. Thanks for the awesome picture of our Lord.
I have heard many times that He was either a liar, a lunatic or exactly who and what He said He was. One thing for sure, if the person truly believes He was a lunatic then she is following the lunatic when she goes by some of His teachings.
I haven't checked in there, but I believe I know who called Him a lunatic.
I must say that I am surprised at who called Him that. I remeber reading where she stated that she heard Jesus' call. It certainly makes me wonder how stable people are at times.
Heb 4:3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.
Heb 4:4 For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.
Heb 4:5 And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest.
I know you can read many who state that Saturday is the Sabbath and we should have church on that day. It is spoken by those who try to follow the law to righteousness. It seems they miss the whole point of Jesus' death, burial and resurrection. According to the scriptures above, the Sabbath is when we come to Him.
I just love the Word of God and how it always explains itself.
Glory to God forevermore \o/
SirDent;
I also love how the Bible is really self explanatory as we learn it more. It is frustrating to see others that do not know the Bible say it is not so. Oh well, the scenario will not end until the Lord ordains it. We will continue to say the truth, and those who do not believe, will continue on their wide path.
I have had an experience I have to share with y'all!! All of you know how busy and stressful my life has been lately. I drug myself to chruch yesterday after no sleep. We sit on our usual 3rd pew. The sermon was good. We sang the invitation and no one moved and so I thought the preacher would close. When he asked the musicians (our drummer, 3 guitar players, piano player, keyboard player and song leader) to sing a praise song. So they started to do that and he said, "I don't do this often, but God has put this woman on my heart all week and I'd like to ask her to come to the alter so I can pray for her." Then he pointed at ME!! I don't remember walking to alter, but by the time I got there, all of the musicians had left their insturments and were there to meet me and pray with me and then a lot of the church members came up to pray with me too and the preacher put is hand on my head and started to pray (and all of the rest of the ones up there praying with me did too) I wish I could explain the feeling I felt during that prayer, but there are no words. Words could never do it justice. He prayed telling God that he didn't know what all I needed but that he knew God knew and he asked God to give me what I needed. I came home after church and had no pain (remember that I hurt 24/7/365 and have for over 9 years) and was able to rest and even sleep. Is that not amazing!?!?! He just keeps showing His love and power to us. And I think that part of the reasons that God put me on his heart was the prayers that y'all send up for me. And I want to thank all of you so much for that! It means so much to me. I am still flying high today. It was so amazing. I keep asking myself why God would love me that much, I still have no answer, but I can feel Him so strongly, it's almost like He is physically here with me, like I can reach out and touch Him. Thank all of you for your continued prayers and support. You all can see now how much you are helping me and my family. Thank you so so so much!!! It is helping more than any of you realize. But, I hope now you can see the good you are doing!!
To God be the glory ASU!!!! I am so glad you got a taste of what it is like to be healed. I have seen a few healings in my life in Christ. It certainly is something to feel isn't it!!!! :D Now it is time to go out and tell the world what Jesus did for you!!!!!
Psa 4:3 But know that the LORD hath set apart him that is godly for himself: the LORD will hear when I call unto him.
2Co 6:17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you,
Eze 37:28 And the heathen shall know that I the LORD do sanctify Israel, when my sanctuary shall be in the midst of them for evermore.
Good Morning everyone!!! :D
SirDent;
Thanks for being faithful to give us good daily scripture. I love your final line to Allshookup that it is time to tell the world of what God has done for her. I know both of you are trying diligently to do that. It is so encouraging to be within both of your company.
Allshookup;
It is wonderful to see what God has done for you. That is so exciting. It is your faith that allows God to perform such works in you. Praise God for your improvement.
I guess those that diss the church maybe just have a little less of that faith stuff. Thank you for the faith that it takes to let God work.
Jam 1:17 Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.
Jam 1:18 Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures.
Praise His Holy Name!!!
ASU, What a blessed experiance!!!
Mat 24:4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
Mat 24:5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.
Mat 24:6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
Mat 24:7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.
Mat 24:8 All these are the beginning of sorrows.
Good Morning my friends. Glory to the most High!!!
SirDent;
Many say the time of Jesus' return is near, and they make a good case for that. 2 Peter 3:8, though, always makes such assessments tough for me.
Now, dear friends, do not let this one thing escape your notice, that a single day is like a thousand years with the Lord and a thousand years are like a single day. The signs are seemingly being shown.
That makes me think of the gospel of Timothy, when he talks about what happens to peoples attitudes; proud, boasters, lovers of their own selves, despisers of that which is good.
I see that scripture constantly fulfilled in our day, Matthew said the love of men will wax cold. which to me is more disparaging than any plague or famine.
Mar 16:15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
Mar 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
Mar 16:17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
Good Morning Friends. I praise God for one more day of life in Him!!! \o/
Onusonus;
Not only do men go cold, but they go lukewarm. Jesus even hated that. It is great to convene here with other believers on fire for Him. This website has tons of proof of what you say.
Even better is that we can actually have a dialogue. I get so tired of the threads so full of total BS lies that you cannot even unravel one tenth of it without spending your entire day. I try not to waste so much of my time on that. I have done it many times, but the same crap just resurfaces from the same people a few days or weeks later. It seems to be mostly a waste of time, but God can use it to His glory.
SirDent;
I love that scripture. The verse of speaking in new tongues is subject of some discussion from time to time in churches, etc. I believe that each person convenes with the Lord in their own way. That communication is as unique as we are.
Many confuse that verse with speaking in tongues. I believe it is speaking with power and certainty in the name of the Lord Jesus. I haven't really studied it out much.
Thanks, I'll check it out.
Well don't get too wrapped up in the turmoil. Speaking on the war in heaven, would it be reasonable to say that a spirit could not draw a sword on another spirit? I believe that it was more of an intense debate. hence the debate continues on earth.
When Jesus confronted Devils, the first he did was to silence them. But it wasn't what they were saying was not true, they were actually confirming who he was, the lesson to be learned is that even though they were speaking the truth, they were not worthy recepticals of the spirit.
How do you translate that into today's life when confronted by unbelievers who abuse Jesus' name and what He taught? Those who confront and belittle Jesus and His followers for trying to do right? Also, what about those who teach false ways to get to Heaven and you know that they are wrong and leading people to hell?
ASU, the truth will always overcome lies. It is that simple. I have been just as guilty or even more so than anyone else in confronting people.
I am glad you brought up devils Onusonus. Jesus never confronted those who were sick or injured. He always went straight to the source of their sickness. He never coddled them like we do so many times. He just cast them out.
So, do you feel when you see someone leading people down the road to hell, you should just keep quiet (not confront) or tell the truth and see what happens?
I believe we should tell the truth. Sometimes it is necessary to confront the teachings. I believe their teachings are of a spiritual nature, albeit unclean. I know at times we are caught up in a trap that someone may have set and we are drawn into it because they make it personal. That is what we need to stay away from as much as possible.
I do think that people set traps purposefully, a lot of times on here. I guess it's hard for me to sit by and see people being led to hell and people agreeing with those who share those beliefs and not say anything. It's a fine line to walk huh?
it is a fine line, but we must remember. Everyone has to make the choice for their own soul. We cannot change that fact in anyway or fashion.
I am also disturbed by the onslaught of nastiness on this website. It is sad that if we say anything, we get jumped all over by the same ole crew. Yet, if they say the rudest things possible, they all sit idly by. that double standard alone makes me feel that they are just trying to get to us and discredit God.
I am just shocked sometimes that these people just feel that they will get away with it. Keep up the good work.
I understand what you're saying VP. Trollish behavior trying to get a rise out of you and anyone else they can. They do it for laughs. Please ask LG to stop mentioning me on that thread. I left it already and will not go back.
Eze 16:3 And say, Thus saith the Lord GOD unto Jerusalem; Thy birth and thy nativity is of the land of Canaan; thy father was an Amorite, and thy mother an Hittite.
Eze 16:4 And as for thy nativity, in the day thou wast born thy navel was not cut, neither wast thou washed in water to supple thee; thou wast not salted at all, nor swaddled at all.
Eze 16:5 None eye pitied thee, to do any of these unto thee, to have compassion upon thee; but thou wast cast out in the open field, to the lothing of thy person, in the day that thou wast born.
SirDent;
Yes LG does troll you bad. I have a few of my own obviously. Allshookup seems to be ahead of us both, though. I see that Onusonus is on the board with the ole MK troll. Welcome to the club, Onusonus. MK knows you are one of us, and he will argue with every word you say (unless he reads this, then he will agree with every word you say - that almost confuses me, and I wrote it).
I am amazed that I pick up those who claim great religious knowledge, too. Since when did it become wrong to call a lie "a lie"? I guess that is just how things are today. Well, I am not buying it. The Bible is not all about love, so I will not say it is.
I do not blame you for getting out of that thread. I was up way too late trying to clear up some stupid lie about reincarnation being biblical. I was shocked who came against me on this one.
Most often, I know exactly who will say crap about me (or you guys). It does get old (and unproductive). I am tired today, and nothing came of it. So, what's new, huh?
VP said, "Since when did it become wrong to call a lie "a lie"?"
SirDent says, "When people starterd mixing black and white to make gray. When everything starts to become relative, objective, and subjective, there is no such thing as a lie anymore, nor is there such a thing as truth in their minds."
Ithink i'm doing an ok job over there, the point is not to get offended!!! Show the love!! Merry Christmass!!!
You are doing a great job Onusonus. I admire you posts always. Even when they are over my head, LOL. Which can be often, I have to admit lol.
SirDent and VP, yall are also doing a great job. Stay strong.
I feel you are right in that they do this for laughs and we are trying to help them avoid hell. Sad huh?
We can't force anyone to stay out of that dreaful place. We can only block the entrance for so long a period of time.
They must actualy love that place. They're dying to get in!!! (stole that from an old funeral home joke)
VP, LG isn't trolling me on the forums. I just don't like being mentioned when she knows I won't be there anymore. Don't make a big issue of it because it isn't worth it.
SirDent;
Yes, many seem to be dying to get in all right. That is a good one. As said before, they just have a decision to make. We are trying our best.
Allshookup;
I noticed you are back on the site a bit more these days. It is great to have you back more.
How are things going on your end? We continue to pray for your health and your husband's. Also, we are praying for your grandmother and father in law.
Onusonus;
Merry Christmas to you and yours, as well. What a great holiday it is!
Of course you will do great in the ring with the resident incoherents. Pop 'em one for me, too.
Some days I wake up, read the posts on this website and feel that it is a nut house. The people who seemed questionable to me become crazy, but the people I respected become friends and helpers. The enemy stays the enemy.
I just hate lies and blasphemy. I just love the Lord.
Joh 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
Joh 14:27 Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid.
Good Morning my Friends. \o/
Psalm 119 is a great one. Here is the end of it:
Listen to my appeal for mercy!
Deliver me, as you promised.
May praise flow freely from my lips,
for you teach me your statutes.
May my tongue sing about your instructions,
for all your commands are just.
May your hand help me,
for I choose to obey your precepts.
I long for your deliverance, O Lord;
I find delight in your law.
May I live and praise you!
May your regulations help me!
I have wandered off like a lost sheep.
Come looking for your servant,
for I do not forget your commands.
Psa 109:1 <To the chief Musician, A Psalm of David.> Hold not thy peace, O God of my praise;
Psa 109:2 For the mouth of the wicked and the mouth of the deceitful are opened against me: they have spoken against me with a lying tongue.
Good Morning Friends.
Heb 13:12 Wherefore Jesus also, that he might sanctify the people with his own blood, suffered without the gate.
Heb 13:13 Let us go forth therefore unto him without the camp, bearing his reproach.
Heb 13:14 For here have we no continuing city, but we seek one to come.
Glory to God. We will see the city whose builder and maker is God. \o/
SirDent;
Yes I do love the Word. I look back at my fruitless life of earlier years and think how far He has brought me. I really would have been as idiotic as many are on here if I had a forum to write on. I am glad that I had mentors to carry me through those times. Hopefully, some of that will rub off...
Rom 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
Rom 1:21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
Rom 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
Good Morning my Friends. \o/
SirDent;
Paul obviously knew the history of Rome. He really laid it out to them in Romans. It is a great book.
SirDent;
I just finished your Judge Not Lest You Be judged hub. It is terrific. I hope every single person on hubpages reads it. Maybe I will stir up some controversy there, and all my trolls will follow me there, giving you the necessary exposure - lol...
I gotta chime in here. Being your chief troll and all. You are such a contradiction, man. In the span of only four comments you present a complete double standard, as you do all the time.
just above you call other people on hubpages idiots (no doubt myself included).
Then a few comments later you give SirDent props for his Judge Not hub, saying that everyone should read it. What do you think you were doing by calling me an idiot? You were Judging me!
Pick a side, man! You're either a humble meager servant of Christ who loves your enemies and turns the other cheek, or you're a judgmental vigilante who treats your enemies with spite and hatred. You can't be both at the same time. Wake up
Welcome back Maestro. Have you read the Judge not hub? Why have you come here to attack? Let me show you osmehting that Jesus Himself spoke.
Joh 7:24 Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.
Now to tell you what this means. If you will rwad the Bible you will know that Jesus said it is not what goes in at the mouth that defiles the body, but what comes out defiles the body. What comes from your mouth? In fact, I ask that question of everyone who reads this. Aren't we to judge by what is said and taught?
Now what happens if we find someone teaching wrongly? What do we do? Do we allow it to continue and say and do nothing? Would you allow someone to teach children that they should stick a screwdriver in a wall outlet?
Eph 5:11 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.
Whether anyone believes it or not, it is the truth. Just because many don't believe doesn't negate that simple fact.
VP, Thank you so much for asking how things are with me. It's been up and down, but so far so good I think. Apparently the family has seen that being so busy is effecting me to the bad, so I've had a little bit of a break the last little bit. Being too busy and up too long at a time makes my leg swell a whole lot and it hurts a geat deal, so I've been trying to get more rest so I don't end up out of commission. My grandmother is out of the hospital. We are taking turns staying with her. She's still weak but better. Father in law is coming along slowly. He seems to be more at himself, which we are thankful for. Hubby hurt really bad last week, so he ended up at the doctor's office. They did xrays and found out he has more than 10 more stones in his kidneys. The doctor said he doesn't know what to do for him. That he's an unusual case. He had a horrible day yesterday. He stayed sick at his stomach with pain, but today he seems to be feeling some better, thankfully. He's at work ,of course. Thank you and all of my brothers and sisters here for all of your prayers. They are keeping us going. It means so much to us!!!
Thanks, I'll check it out!
SirDent: I suppose you think that calling someone an idiot and yourself righteous is what the Bible is talking about?
Is calling people idiots judgment? Is that what you're saying? Because VP calling people idiots is what I said in my post. SO that must be what you're referring to. I guess you can construe in some way how Jesus calls us to attack each other with childish, defensive names.
Please, man.
Maestrowhit;
I wonder if any of these comments ring a bell?
1. You're a tyrant, and you make a fool of yourself with every post that you submit.
2. I don't make any claims about myself like you do all the time.
3. …I don't go around calling myself righteous and humble like you do so much.
4. I think someone should put you in your place, and I'll say that openly.
5. You don't have to look people in the eye when you constantly contradict yourself.
6. Your crap wouldn't get you very far at all if you were actually forced to own up to it.
7. you're one big contradiction, man.
8. You're a complete jerk in one post, and then in another post you call yourself a humble servant of Jesus.
9. You have to call yourself humble because your actions definitely do not show that you are humble.
10. You wouldn't last five seconds in a face to face debate or discussion.
11. All you do on here is sidestep people's confrontations, lie about your intentions, and then call everyone else a liar.
12. You don't own up to your actions.
13. You don't take responsibility for yourself.
14. I'm just one of the only people who won't let you just slide by with no resistance whatsoever when you pull this retarded crap.
How hypocritical is it to troll me here and pick out that I call myself idiotic, along with others, then you have a cow? Gee, I am sure glad that you are so lily white that you never insult anyone. Oh, by the way, these are some of the sentences you wrote to me in the last three days. Yes you wrote them to me, unlike the fact that I did not call anyone an idiot. Also, where did I call myself righteous? That's a good one, too...
I don't paint myself up as one thing and then behave as something totally different. That's what you do that is disgusting to me. You present yourself as some kind of virtuous follower of Christ but you bahave in a way that defiles everything that Christ sttands for.
I stand behind the statements I made about you. I don't have to make excuses about them because they do not contradict other things that I say. With me, what you see is what you get. With you, what you see on one comment is not what you get in another. You don't take responsibiliy for your actions. When youare wrong, you go to any lengths possible to avoid admitting it - the most common of which is calling other people nasty names. I call you names because that's what you are. And I don't make excuses about it.
Maestrowhit;
You flame me and call me a flamer because I am a flamer? You say it is fine to flame me, and you burn out some more? I call myself a name, and you even flame me? You should be totally humiliated to be caught in such foolish actions. I would never come back to hubpages if I did something so blatantly stupid.
You say you can't see how you are two faced beyond description? You say your problem with me is that I insult people? Then I present 14 insults you absolutely made against me in a few days, and you say that is just fine? You have absolutely nothing to back up any statement you made? I have seen foolish writing on this website, but that is the tops. Thank you for being against me. As I said, it is a great compliment. Please do not say otherwise.
My computer blew up in a power surge, Ill have to get another one in a month or so. later!
Oh no!!! Well, I hope you and your family has a great Christmas! Sorry about the computer. We'll miss you.
Ok, VP you just gave me a prime example. In this comment you just posted, you say to me that my problem with you is that you insult people. But you know very well that is not my problem with you. You want that to be the problem because then you can support your claims that I'm doing the same thing that I accuse you of doing. But that's not what my problem is. My problem with you was stated clearly - as clear as the blue sky - in the last comment. But what you do, what you've done in all of my interactions wit you, is you ignore the parts of what I say that do not allow you to spin your opinions back at me. You ignore the full idea of what I have very clearly stated and you take out he parts of it that suit you.
You know full and well what my problem with you is because you can see it in my posts. I don't hide it. You contradict yourself with your behavior. You talk like you're some kind of great, wise wonderful follower of CHrist, but you demean and defile His image with your nasty behavior towards your fellow man. You talk all about your beliefs in Jesus, but you act completely opposite to the way He would act. You give your religion a bad face. You put a bad taste in people's mouths and prevent then from coming to be interested in Jesus. Because you have no integrity.
Just now you twisted my comment to say what you wanted it to say. That's the tool you use because you have no other ground to stand on. Even now I'm sure you'll come back and turn my words around and say back to me the same thing I'm saying to you. That's because you lack originality - not to mention validity.
I want you and people like you to stop living on both sides of the fence. You're either a follower of Christ, or you are not. You proclaim Jesus with your mouth but with your attitude and actions you proclaim Satan.
THis is not a double standart for me because I'm standing behind my behaviors. I am what you see here. Yes I'm calling you names. I already acknowledged that. I don't claim to be a Bible - believer. That's why I can do this and not be contradicting myself. You, however, can't preach the Bible, and Jesus, and then act like a self-righteous jerk to non-bleievers. That's a double standard. You need to walk the walk man.
Maestrowhit';
You have absolutely no clue what the Bible says.
You say, "Ok, VP you just gave me a prime example. In this comment you just posted, you say to me that my problem with you is that you insult people. But you know very well that is not my problem with you. You want that to be the problem because then you can support your claims that I'm doing the same thing that I accuse you of doing."
Yet in you last post, you said, "When youare wrong, you go to any lengths possible to avoid admitting it - the most common of which is calling other people nasty names. I call you names because that's what you are. And I don't make excuses about it."
Make up your mind. You are raving like a lunatic right now.
"But that's not what my problem is. My problem with you was stated clearly - as clear as the blue sky - in the last comment. But what you do, what you've done in all of my interactions wit you, is you ignore the parts of what I say that do not allow you to spin your opinions back at me."
I assume you are saying that you are not ignoring my comments? What a crock! I am not ignoring your posts. I am laughing my head off at what a crazy troll you are being.
"You ignore the full idea of what I have very clearly stated and you take out he parts of it that suit you."
There is nothing in your posts. They are just empty insults that are meaningless except to compliment me (I mean your insults).
"You know full and well what my problem with you is because you can see it in my posts. I don't hide it. You contradict yourself with your behavior."
Yeah right sure... That is another empty statement. Proof is needed to make a case. You may learn that in future study of America.
"You talk like you're some kind of great, wise wonderful follower of CHrist, but you demean and defile His image with your nasty behavior towards your fellow man.
Oh really. Do you mean that I lie? Do you mean that I am wrong about scripture? Well, prove it. I say you are a whoops dare I say it - "l..r.
"You talk all about your beliefs in Jesus, but you act completely opposite to the way He would act.
Whoops, careful that you are not judging me. lol...
"You give your religion a bad face. You put a bad taste in people's mouths and prevent then from coming to be interested in Jesus. Because you have no integrity.
Oh really, prove it. Your behavior is a religious magnet I assume. I think I am going to be sick. You insult me 14 times for absolutely no reason then have the stinking gall to say I am chasing seekers away. What a crock of BS.
"Just now you twisted my comment to say what you wanted it to say."
Wow, you have lost it...
"That's the tool you use because you have no other ground to stand on."
I say the truth, that is true.
"Even now I'm sure you'll come back and turn my words around and say back to me the same thing I'm saying to you."
Wait a minute... You just said I ignore what you post... Childs' games were mastered many decades ago here.
"That's because you lack originality - not to mention validity.":
Thanks for the laughs, boy.
"I want you and people like you to stop living on both sides of the fence. You're either a follower of Christ, or you are not."
What am I not doing? Oh, that would be judging me, huh, or would it? Try SirDent's advice.
"You proclaim Jesus with your mouth but with your attitude and actions you proclaim Satan."
Prove it.
"THis is not a double standart for me because I'm standing behind my behaviors. I am what you see here. Yes I'm calling you names. I already acknowledged that."
You have lost it...
"I don't claim to be a Bible - believer."
That has always been apparent to me. However, I do not recall you saying that before. We will certainly all remember that, though. I will research that one.
"That's why I can do this and not be contradicting myself. You, however, can't preach the Bible, and Jesus, and then act like a self-righteous jerk to non-bleievers. That's a double standard. You need to walk the walk man."
Thanks again for the compliments.
Onusonus;
We will all miss you while you are away. Hopeefully, you can run down to the library or something to keep us posted. May God bless you and show His mercy and grace clearly to you.
VP - I never made any attempt to conceal the fact that I am judging you. Because I AM judging you. I'm glad that is clear to you. My intention here is to judge you. To expose your inconsistent dishonest behavior. See, I can do that, because I don't attach myself to a code of ethics that say I cannot judge someone. I see that BS that you do, and I call you out on it.
And you know, I know you would never in a million years admit to how my words are affecting you personally. That's why I don't really care. You know how my words are effecting you. You don't need to assure me that I'm only making you laugh. But you sure are trying to make that understood. OK, I get it VP. You want me and everyone on here to think you have yourself all put together. We all got that message loud and clear. But go ahead and let us all know again just to be safe.
I would tell you how you misinterpret scriptures, but that would be pointless. I've learned from the past with you that you can't face a challenge. You can't admit when your wrong. You can't accept the possibility that there's something you have not yet learned about God and/or the Bible. You do not receive a person's challenge with an honest open minded response. You do not adhere to even the slightest degree of honorability when it comes to debating. The only thing you do on here is evangelize your personal beliefs, and snowplow everything else. You blindly think you are the only one who know truth. VP, you die when you stop growing man. DO you think you've arrived at your highest stage of learning? How close do you think you are to knowing everything? YOu act like you think you're closer than everyone else.
Yes, you do draw people away from CHrist because you claim to represent Him at the same time as treating people with disrespect, hatred, spite, childishness, self-righteouusness, arrogance, and you're just down right rude. Anyone who believe you were really a follower of Christ even for a second would run full speed in the opposite direction. You hinder Jesus' ministry and it's disgusting to me.
Maestrowhit;
Why do you care? You don't even believe in the Bible. You rudely call me rude, and you say that essentially you have no ethics. Wow, I could not be happier that you do not like me. I am truly thrilled to have that endorsement.
I love that comment about how you would show how I misinterpret scriptures, er stutter, shudder, gag...
I do give you credit for one thing. You are the biggest troll I have ever seen on all the forums I have ever visited. That thorn in your side must be really painful, huh?
you have a new favorite word: troll. yeah, you heard someone else say it somewhere and now it's suddenly your very favorite word. I'd like to hear it a thousand more times please! Oh and can you throw in the word liar a few hundred times too? It's the VP show, weee! Lets see how many times he can repeat himself.
Yeah, I know for sure that any challenge I give you about your interpretations of scriptures would be totally evaded. I used to think a debate with you would be an ordinary, sensible debate, but I learned quickly that it never is. I don't see the sense in trying it again because you have it all figured out. You have no room for learning or improvement.
MW;
Since you have run out of material long ago, and you think I am repetitive, that will be your last post on this hub. Thanks for visiting.
Rom 1:23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
Rom 1:24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
Rom 1:25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
Good Morning once again my Friends. :) \o/
SirDent;
Nice scripture choice as always. It seems like there is always some issue to address on hp, and the Bible has the situation, the issue, the strategy, the tactics and the answer - Jesus, all in one. For sure when we get in the way of the answer, all the other ingredients do not work. Knowledge and belief in the Bible is the essential first step to that power. What someone deems as the Holy Spirit could easily just as well be satan if a person does not know how to evaluate it through full knowledge of the Bible.
Someone who does not realize the truth of the Word cannot comprehend its immense power in our lives. Thanks for your perseverence.
Psa 91:1 He that dwelleth in the secret place of the most High shall abide under the shadow of the Almighty.
Psa 91:2 I will say of the LORD, He is my refuge and my fortress: my God; in him will I trust.
Psa 91:3 Surely he shall deliver thee from the snare of the fowler, and from the noisome pestilence.
Good morning everyone. Sorry I'm later than normal in posting scripture for the day.
In the off chance that you won't delete this comment, and since you say that I've run out of material, I'l point out to you your biggest blatant contradiction of all. It's this hub
This hub is an open invitation to take pot shots at you, but when someone does take pot shots, you don't welcome it. In fact, you're bootiong me off of here for doing exactly what you invited me to do!
That's a huge double standard, man. The whole premise of this hub is for prople who have a problem with you and your beliefs to step up and say something about it - but yet you aren't allowing me to continue. You call me a liar because you are one yourself. You lie with this very hub. Since I know you probably won't approve of this, I want you to know that this is a message to you personally. I don't need other people to see it. THis is to you. Between you and me, you know what I'm saying. And you know it's true.
Maestrowhit;
I see how you construed that. No problem. You said I was just repeating, and you were certainly sayig nothing new. You are a troll with nothing to contribute, so I wished you would go away, no such luck. FYI, I have never deleted a single comment. I do expect that those who read this hub think you are just wasiting space, but they can just skip your posts just as easily.
I see that you flame me for post after post for calling lies "lies. Now, you call me "a liar." I think you are still very sick, and you need help. I do hope you get it before you go further. I really do wish you well, and you are not well.
perhaps you can offer me this help that you hope I'll get? Can you help me? You obviously think you can if you are so sure that I am in need of it. So go ahead and help me, VP. I'm all ears.
MW;
Sure I am glad to help. First, lay out a plan to become knowledgeable of the Bible. That plan should consist of time every day to study the Word. There are a myriad of good Bible study courses. You may also want to get involved in Sunday school, Bible study and a small group Bible study.
You need a mentor, and I would suggest your Dad.
Try to have patience because learning the Bible right takes many years. For me, it took four decades to really have it down to my satisfaction. I still have a long way to go.
Pay particular attention to the sins. There are over 600 of them. Work on eliminating them from your life, again with a written plan.
Try to learn to discern between lies and truth. After learning the Bible basics well, the Holy Spirit will help you separate out what is Biblically untrue and what is true.
Help others and live for the moment. I doubt if you have any real interest in my advice, but I do care about your well being. I think you could be a Christian superstar. You have immense talent that I hate to see go to waste. Right now, I fear that is your path.
I remember the truce I made. Do you?
God bless you.
I remember the truce, VP. I initiated the truce, then you agreed to it with your own conditions. I had every intention of leaving you alone completely until you dishonored our truce by picking a fight with me. That's when the truce ended.
If I take your advice, what will be the result? How do propose this will help me? And what would you say my problem is that I need help with?
Mat 13:58 And he did not many mighty works there because of their unbelief.
Good Morning Friends. \o/
Maestrowhit;
I would beg to differ about who picked the fight. You may want to recall that this started on the 'who can hear Jesus' forum. To refresh your memory, you had posted there twice (on pages 2 and 4). I never said one thing to you or about you. I became involved in the discussion with others. then, on page 7, you make your first discussion with me (unsollicited from me):
"VP - you REALLY like to call people liars, don't you? I bet if I compiled all the times you've used that word in these discussions, I'd have a whole page worth of just the word, "liar." I'll never cease to be amazed at how much you proclaim yourself as a righteous follower of Christ, but at the same time treat other people with extremely un-christlike creulety and childishness. The funny thing about it is, you only THINK you've cornered people into telling lies, but you have never done anything of the sort. What is your problem that you have to smear other people in order to feel secure about yourself? Are you really deluded enough to think you are spreading Christ's love, kindness, peace, and mercy? You're a jerk to people, man. I'm not the only one who thinks so. I'm sure you are smart enough even to know that about yourself. Don't you think you might have something wrong when all you can do is behave in a manner which is contrary to Jesus Christ? You might have read all the words in the Bible, but you sure as hell don't shine the light of Christ. You sure don't act like one born of the Spirit of God."
I can envision you saying now that that is who you are and it is true. Well, so much for the truce. You can degrade me all you want. It does not define me in any way. It defines you, though, particularly given that you instigated a truce and I honored it, until you broke it. I do not expect you to pull punches, but I do expect you to be right.
OK, what do I think you need to improve? You asked, so I will answer. Maybe a story will better illustrate my point.
I am essentially an old man, Maestrowhit. We are taught to respect our elders for good reason. Experience brings wisdom. When I was young like you, I thought much of what I was taught was wrong. I shadowboxed myself into a deep hole. God literally had to send me an angel to pull me out of the trouble I got myself into. I was at the rock bottom, just where He wanted me. You see, He had promised to never leave me, even though I left Him.
I do not resemble that boy in any way, now. Much pain, joy, trials, honors, disobedience and finally acceptance of God's promise has led me where I am. You do not have anywhere near my experience. That does not reflect on you. You just can't. I have lived my life all out at breakneck speed, good or bad.
You don't have to respect me, but if you falsely attack me, I will respond to you. That is what happened with this latest encounter. That's all. You have so much to learn, and you have the potential to use that for good. I think you want to do that. Right now, you are following ideas that are totally wrong, like that the Bible is not infallible. If you become wise, you will also know that the Bible is 100% infallible. It is easy to determine, using the facts of life, but you rebel against it. You have good reason for you at this moment. I am just saying, give up the negative and accept the wonderful gifts the Lord has for you. You do that by putting away your Biblical prejudice and studying like you never thought you could. Push yourself hard, and learn what the infallible Bible has to say to you.
Then, you will finally be able to use that spirit you feel inside you for good. You may choose a less direct approach than me. Most do. However, do apply the determination I have to always tell the truth. I defy you to find one statement I have made on this website that is not true about the Bible and religion. I may make mistakes of judgement about people, but I try to say when something is my opinion.
I am trying to straighten out the biggest misinterpretation of the Bible I ever saw. It is named hubpages. I don't know why I feel called to do this.
The Bible is not all about love, and I want to be sure everyone knows that. Sure, the love of God is overwhelming, but so is His righteous anger and jealousy. Both sides of the story must be fully understood. You want to claim that it is all about love. That is incorrect. You want religion to be according to the terms of Maestrowhit. That shows that you do not understand and respect God. He is the ominpotent, almighty, omnipresent creator of every single atom before He created Adam and Eve. He writes the rules, and you better obey them.
Whenever you say, I will resume the truce until you break it. You broke it, but I am not one bit mad. I still think you will see the correct path and jump on it with both feet.
SirDent;
You have an uncanny gift to present a scripture in the middle of a "discussion". Usually I laugh with amazement of the choice you make as it is so wise and appropriate. Thank you for your faithfulness to me. I am very confident that I would not be on the website if it were not for you, darn you - lol.
I'm not talking about that incident. I specifically remember there being another post before that where you addressed me. I just haven't looked for it. I honestly don't really care to. I know it happened and that's good enough for me. I know you'll probably call me some mean names for not searching it out to prove myself right, but I don't care. I know I would've never said anything to you unless you first said something to me. And that's what you did. I'm sure of it. Maybe if I remember exactly where it was, I'll go get it and show you.
So, essentially you say that my problem that I need help with is that I don't interpret the Bible correctly? That I don't believe in it being 100% infallible?
That's why I am, as you say, sick? That's what I need help with?
You still didn't answer one of my questions, though. If I do as you say, and study really hard to learn the whole Bible - what is that going to do for me? How is that going to help me? What about me is so bad that is going to change if I take your advice?
oh, wait, I did find it. It's on the forum thread, "what was the purpose of Jesus' disciples" on the second page. That's where you broke our truce. Go see for yourself.
MW;
It is not quite so simple, but that is a good start. Yes, rebelling aginst the Word of God will be a huge thorn in anyone's side. It will not go away until you resolve it. So, sure, just learn the Bible better than me, then you can come bck and criticize me some more. Until then, I just think you want to argue with me. I am being sincere, but I do not think you care. So please just go away if that is the case. I do not care to waste my time with childrens' games.
MW;
Wow, that is amazing to me. You take the post I list below and come to another forum thread to blast me with that post I just showed here. It actually looks like the post you refer to is strikingly similar to the posts I just made to you about what I would recommend for you.
I do not recall that we agreed to never post to one another, by the way. We agreed that we would bury the hatchet, right? I do not see anything in my post that should incur your wrath. If it is about you maturing, isn't it rational for an elder to talk about a younger person maturing? I wrote eight paragraphs in sincere discussion about recommendations. For you to get upset about recommendations really shows what I said earlier that you are not well. That is the thorn I describe.
"Maestrowhit; What inconsistency? Sandra's post is not easy to handle, but that is not an excuse to say there are thousands of inconsistencies in the Bible. There are no inconsistencies, zero, not one. After you have matured and studied enough (I mean serious, hard study with a true religious scholar as a mentor, not some clown), you will know that. I fear for all those who cannot realize that. I believe that the gate to the Kingdom of God is narrow, as the the Bible says. I smashed my ring finger, and I am one finger typing. So, this will be an abbreviated post. The Kingdom of God was in the disciples who loved the Lord Jesus, and they will inherit the Kingdom of God for their work for Him. Don't forget that Jesus is God, so He was capable of knowing what would happen in terms of salvation. He could give the decision, but only He could. No one else knows who will be saved or what is inside another person for sure. It is Jesus' decision exclusively. We have clues in the 600 plus commandments in the Bible, though. While we do not judge someone's salvation, we do have the obligation to have judgement as to the truth. The Holy Spirit helps true believers have that discretion to determine the likelihood of things, based on the Word. No inconsistency there... The story of the young rich ruler is told in Matthew 18 and Luke 19, as I recall. All we know is the story told there. There is no inconsistency in the story whatsoever. It is perfectly consistent with the message of salvation understood by true Christians. Philippians 2:12 says to work out our salvation with awe and reverence. The message of salvation is to follow Jesus. That is not simple. There are tiny things that are necessary to understand that finally make all the Bible make sense. I pray right now that you all will someday do the work necessary to find out that what I say is true. Regardless of what you may think of me, it is the truth that the Bible is totally consistent. Salvation is work, too. It is not a Christmas present all wrapped up nice and pretty. Those who follow Jesus work hard at it. He told the disciples that they would be persecuted for His name. Yes, He told them to leave everything behind to follow Him. Do not underestimate the Word of God. It is inerrant. If you are still confused about this, I do not mind helping in clearing it up further. However, I am not interested in some stupid twisting of the Word. I am here to help, in my very small way if I can, but if you will not open up and understand, I maybe did worse than waste my time. People can lie to themselves long enough that they think it is the truth. That is the message. When you are able to read the Bible and study it with someone who knows it, not some fool who writes stupid lying hubs, for example, then you will know that the Bible is perfect, 100%, all the time and forever. We have debated these things any times. I am a humble meager servant of Him. I am truly eager to help people understand if He ordains that - all glory to Him and Him alone. However, I must say that many of the posts here are totally stupid. I am not singling out anyone, as I reply far too often when I should just move on. They just show total ignorance of the Word. That is frustrating to just see nothing accomplished by all of this debating. I see nothing wrong with the position of knowing the Bible is 100% correct, but I see lots wrong with the opposite. My first post on this thread showed why."
Sorry would reformat it, but you already read it and others can easily find it. I am amazed that hp cannot copy and paste consistently.
The past is gone and there is only today for there is no promise of tomorrow.
VP - how can not see that this post is a rude insulting attack on me? How can you possibly think there is nothing in your words to me that is disrespectful and provocative?
Other than you inadvertantly calling me immature, you also did the following -
you insinuate that I have stupidly twisted the truth - you refer to me as a fool who writes stupid lying hubs (please don't try to wesel out of that one, we both know who you were talking about) - then say that many of the posts on the thread are "totally stupid"
Now, come on. You said all that in a direct reply to me. You didn't have to do that. You could've left me out of it, but you just couldn't leave it alone. Until that post, there wasn't a single word exchanged between you and I. You broke that with a post that contained inulting, offesive comments. What did you expect? You call yourself wise - but then you think that when you insult someone they are just supposed to fold up and take it from you? Dude, that is incredibly moronic. That is not wisdom. If you think that, then you don't know the first thing about human nature. Just because you are old doesnt make you wise - and thinking that it does is the least wise thing I've ever heard from you. Some of the stupidest people I've ever met were rather old. Wisdom does not come from thigs that you do in your life - it comes from God. I'm sure you'll find that in your Bible if you look for it. Shows how well you know the Bible if you're going around saying that your old age is what makes you wise.
I assume that what you recommend to me is to become what you call a RFRWC. You must be telling me that since I am not one of those (like you) then I have serious problems and I need to work hard to become one. Then this imaginary thorn that you've dreamed up will magically vanish. Is that it?
Yeah, I don't really see a point in going any further here. you're you, I'm me - that's that. But you should be clear on the fact that I would've never said another word to you - just like I agreed to do - if you hadn't have come at me with that insulting post. Unless you want to continue this, I'm out of here.
MW;
As I said, you need help. Do whatever. Yes, please leave.
Pro 3:5 Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.
Pro 3:6 In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths.
Pro 3:7 Be not wise in thine own eyes: fear the LORD, and depart from evil.
God Morning friends and enemies alike. \o/
Good moprning everyone.
It sure seems lonely without Onusonus and Allshookup, huh?
Our prayers here are with them.
For a quick update, I finished my neighbor's shed. They like it. I started my shed (shed #4) yesterday. It wa hard to get started, but that always seems to be the case for me. Once I begin, I have to finish it, huh? That keeps the motivation up every day. It will be 75 here today, so why not?
God bless you all.
Joh 9:4 I must work the works of him that sent me, while it is day: the night cometh, when no man can work.
Joh 9:5 As long as I am in the world, I am the light of the world.
Good Morning friends. \o/
VP, I am glad you got the shed finished.
Joh 9:39 And Jesus said, For judgment I am come into this world, that they which see not might see; and that they which see might be made blind.
Working on a hub about Satanism and Rock music, Hollywood movies etc. . . Would appreciate any links you may have to some good resources.
Here's one Dent:
www.ridiculouschurchiesworryingabouteverybodyelseeventhoughtheyareclueless.com
Here's one for you Dan.
Jesus loves you and wants to save your soul.
And He will. Yours too.
Calm down Dent, it was just a little humor on my part.
Jer 8:20 The harvest is past, the summer is ended, and we are not saved.
Good Morning my Friends. \o/
SirDent;
On a very mundane note, I seem to have hurt my elbow. I am using my common nail gun a lot, of course. In order to engage the nail, I have to push down the head of the nailer for the trigger to push out the nail (clunky explanation from an obvious amateur). By pushing doen on the gun, the kickback has hurt my elbow which is always tensed from pushing. Have you ever heard of this? Am I doing something wrong?
If it is just that I need a little rest, great. That is my plan. However, I sense that hubpages will revolt against that plan. That means I will be involved in far too many stupid battles of no consequence. Most likely, there will the anti VP threads and posts everywhere, lol.
I pray that all is well with you.
SirDent;
Your new hub is terrific. I encourage everyone to read it. I can think of several that I would really like to read it.
Speaking of rest, later today, we are heading out to visit Mom and my two sisters for the holidays. It may be hard to get to a computer for a week. I may rest because the remodeling is done on Mom's house.
See you in a week, if not sooner. God bless you and Merry Christmas!
Rev 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
Praise God forevermore \o/
Man Dent, that's gotta be hot. That devil's gonna be burnin his. . . .well, we don't have to be graphic here. But anyhow, that'll learn em. Oh wait, that's right. There's nothing to learn in the LOF, just alot of burning, right? Shouldn't have freewilled himself to be Satan.
Anyhow, my #1 fan, Dent, should've told ya'll that I published a new hub. Check it out. Let me know if you like it. It's your free choice not to, though. . . . . . . .. . . .Psyche!!
So, ja like it?
I was serious in my previous comment. Write a hub about hell and the LOF and take people to it so they can see it.
First of all, I don't think the LOF looks like anything. The spiritual things of God are physically invisable. And the scriptures say very little about the LOF so I won't dishonor God by claiming expertise about something that nobody knows much about. But if I must, I think I can post what I believe the LOF represents right here. The Lake of Fire is beautiful. It's God's judgment and purification process. The LOF is full of grace. Though, it will be tormenting and measured to one as is necessarry. It is necessarry that all go through this, either now or at the resurection. May God find me worthy to go through this judgment during my physical life if that is His will.
Oh yeah, is the LOF hell?
No!!
Death and hell are cast into the LOF. Also those whose names are not written down in the Lamb's Book of Life are cast into the LOF.
Now I am wondering how long you think they will be there.
There will be no more death and no more unseen as your first sentence shows. Those not found in the book of life will be in the LOF for at a least an aion. Scripture also speaks of the aions but man is supposed to receive aionios judment (age lasting,) Satan is said to be tormented for the aions of the aions (forever and ever?). So the church must decide why eternity would ever be plural. If it's eternity or forever in the plural, then god's word is redundant. It could be correctly translated as for an age, for ages or for the ages of the ages. But we should be sophisticated enough to know what the English word eon means. And it did come from the Greek aion. So what happens when those ages or eons come to an end?
As I said, I cannot offer knowledge on how judgment will take place in the symbolic LOF because the scriptures don't reveal this. We can use our imaginations, though. For instance, I imagine that for some, they will have no idea that they are going through judgment, much like some people alive don't know that they are going through judgment. I think that they will begin to realize it once they have made some progress. I know that I feel this way about my own judgments in this life. I hope they will be complete.
The scriptures do reveal some of the judgment. I will search it out tomorrow or in the next couple of days. If I recall correctly there are two judgments.
SO how long is an aion?
Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
Rev 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
Rev 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
Rev 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
Again, this is symbolic language. We are not told what goes on during judgment. It says who is judged but we don't know who the who is. We know that they are not in the symbolic book of life. In fact, according to Rev. 20:13 every one delivered from hell (hades, the unseen) and the sea are judged. The sea? Are these people that died at sea? No. Sea represents mankind. What happens in the LOF? We don't know. We also aren't told exactly how long an aion is. The reign of Christ is said to be 1000 years. Perhaps that is the length of that particular aion (probably not exact). But, I don't think all will be judged any where near that long and some might be judged longer. These words are all symbols. The book even says that the words are signified. This means that they are symbols. But as you can see, not one of the scriptures you listed tells us what literally takes place in judgment. I guarentee that what happens is beneficial and Christ's elect will be judging along with Christ. But don't get hung up on the length of an aion because there is probably no exact length, just as the 7 days in genesis are not of an exact length.
It absolutelly never means that. If you relly on modern dictionaries, many may say this but that is because of the corrupting of the definition going back to the council called by Justinian in 540. Justianian conceded that aionios does not mean forever but insisted that endless be inserted before the word to signify endless life and endless punishment. The corruption continued from there. As far as those who say that if aion does not mean forever, that would mean those saved don't live forever; the word immortality takes care of that problem, and is scriptural. Also, the Kingdom of God is said to have no end in scripture. But it can easily be contextually proven that aion absolutely never means forever in scripture.
1 Thessalonians 5 1. But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you.
2. For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.
3. For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.
4. But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.
Merry Christmas everyone.
Have a holly jolly Christmas!!!
Eph 6:11 Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.
Eph 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
Welcome back Onusonus.
Good morning my friends. \o/
Joh 3:31 He that cometh from above is above all: he that is of the earth is earthly, and speaketh of the earth: he that cometh from heaven is above all.
Glory to God forevermore \o/
Heb 9:12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.
Heb 9:13 For if the blood of bulls and of goats, and the ashes of an heifer sprinkling the unclean, sanctifieth to the purifying of the flesh:
Heb 9:14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?
Good Morning my Friends. \o/ God is good and His mercy endures forever!!!
Eze 38:4 And I will turn thee back, and put hooks into thy jaws, and I will bring thee forth, and all thine army, horses and horsemen, all of them clothed with all sorts of armour, even a great company with bucklers and shields, all of them handling swords:
Eze 38:5 Persia, Ethiopia, and Libya with them; all of them with shield and helmet:
Eze 38:6 Gomer, and all his bands; the house of Togarmah of the north quarters, and all his bands: and many people with thee.
It is possible that the recent bombings will be the catalyst to bring the Gog Magog war.
Praise God for His holy Word. \o/
Hello everyone. I've been out for a good while due to family sickness. I hope all of you are well. Things here are settling down, thankfully. I hope all of you had a great Christmas. I'm reading now trying to catch up on what all I have missed.
Welcome back ASU. VP is also MIA at the moment. I have published a few hubs you haven't read in case you want to know.
I'll definately check them out. Thanks!
Hi Everyone!
I was away from the computer for a week. It is good to see that you all have been around. I will write more later, but I just wanted to say "God bless you all" before I dug into my backlog.
Micah 61. Hear ye now what the Lord saith; Arise, contend thou before the mountains, and let the hills hear thy voice.
2. Hear ye, O mountains, the Lord's controversy, and ye strong foundations of the earth: for the Lord hath a controversy with his people, and he will plead with Israel.
Welcome back VP.
Good Morning friends. \o/
Who would true valour see? Let him come hither.
One here will constant be, come wind come weather,
theres no discouragement that shall make him once relent his first avowed intent,
to be a pilgrim.
Onusonus;
The image of the pilgrim is always an inspiring one to me. Remember the John Wayne famous line with "Pilgrim"? It is the kind of connotation that belonged with a man like John Wayne, I think.
Any progress on the new computer, or you just glad to be away from the hp fray?
We pooled our christmas money and got a new cheepey. I'm a sinner, how about you?
{{I'm a sinner, how about you?}}
You're allowed to be, as a Christian. Me, I'm happy just to get things wrong ;)
Happy New Year Guys - though I may spar with you from time to time, there's no malice in it, as I'm sure you know!
ASU - keep on trucking! You're very brave :)
Wish I had read this sooner!
merry new year PG!
Eze 38:18 And it shall come to pass at the same time when Gog shall come against the land of Israel, saith the Lord GOD, that my fury shall come up in my face.
Eze 38:19 For in my jealousy and in the fire of my wrath have I spoken, Surely in that day there shall be a great shaking in the land of Israel;
Eze 38:20 So that the fishes of the sea, and the fowls of the heaven, and the beasts of the field, and all creeping things that creep upon the earth, and all the men that are upon the face of the earth, shall shake at my presence, and the mountains shall be thrown down, and the steep places shall fall, and every wall shall fall to the ground.
I know I am late today, but ti couldn't be helped.
Happy New Year to everyone who reads this.
To God be the glory forever and ever. \o/
Paraglider;
It is good to see you here. Happy New Year.
I have appreciated your comments this year. I look forward to making progress in the new year.
Goldentoad;
Hi. Welcome.
I am glad that you stopped in. Please feel free to stop in whenever you get the urge to express yourself. Thanks.
Onusonus;
Happy new year to you.
I am glad that you got a new computer. I admit that I have fried a few in my time, too. It does seem that Windows Vista is a reliable OS, despite its obvious faults vs Windows XP. I don't know what you ended up with, but I hope it gives you good service for a long time.
URGENT PRAYER REQUEST
Mr. Perkins, I am writing for my wife, Allshookup. She asked me to come to this page and ask you and Mrs. Perkins and the other friends on the page for prayer. Yesterday she went to the doctor and it showed that her blood was too thick. She had a shot and they increased her Coumadin. She was doing pretty good all day today until about 30 minutes ago. She stood up and everything started to spin and then went black. I caught her and sit her down. Then she said it was like she's too tired to hold her head up. I put her to bed. She asked for me to let you know this. She said that you and your wife and other Christians on here are powerful prayer warriors. I would like to thank you and anyone who prays for her. She's the world to me and our son. I need to go check on her. Please remember her in your prayers. We prays God's blessings on you. I am not familiar with how all of this works. She said that there's another place on here she talks on a lot, but I'm not familiar about how to go to these. I hate to ask her to write all of these directions down again, she's feeling so bad. So, if you see anyone who would pray, we would appreciate it if you pass this on. Thank you for helping.
Eddie;
Thanks for passing on Allshookup's husband's prayer request. We will certainly double up our prayers for her. She has had such a rough time. Caring for others may have drained her. I know that she gives her all for others' benefit, caring little for herself it seems.
We contine to pray for you and yours, too. Happy new year. It is nice to see you here. Thanks again.
I'll pray for ASUs health as well. She did answer me on her phobias hub a few hours ago. So I'll also pray for her spiritual enlightenment.
Dan;
Allshookp is physically sick and the furtherst thing from spiritually sick. If you want to pray for spiritual enlinhtenment, pray for your own.
I absolutely did the night I learned those truths about hell. I will continue to pray for my furthur enlightenment. But God has taken me a long way already. He's great.
I wanted to come by and thank all of you for your prayers for me last night. It was the strangest thing. All of a sudden I couldn't sit up let alone stand. I had my husband leave that message. He's not fond of computers and so I was glad he got to a page to be able to leave the message. lol. Anyway, I am better today. I think I need to see a doctor. But, today is New Year's Day, so none are working around here. I am going to take it easy today and go first thing to see a doctor in the morning. It was actually kinda scary. I don't know what happened. I can't remember much of it either. Not sure what my deal is. But, I wanted to let everyone who prayed for me know that the prayers are working. And also how much I appreciated y'all taking your time to pray for me. I was afraid we would be going to the Emergency Room last night, but God took care of me. So, I praise Him for that!!! To borrow SirDents praise sign, \0/!!! Again, thank all of you for the prayers, they work! I'm proof!! I pray God's richest blessings on all of you!! Happy New Year to everyone!!
Glad that you are OK, ASU - That must have been frightening. :(
Happy New Year to all!
We may disagree on a few things, but all in the name of good and interesting debate and I hope that it is never taken personally.
Sufi,
I appreciate that alot. It was kinda scary, what I can remember about it. But, once again, God brought me though. Good to know you don't hate me. I do feel that some do. I'm glad you dont!
Course I don't hate you - life is far too short for hate! I certainly do not think that you are a bad person - quite the opposite. :)
I have lived in Greece for too long, and sometimes get carried away with debate, so I sincerely apologise if I have offended anybody. I do try to avoid getting personal, but it is easy to accidentally cross the line sometimes.
If we all agreed about everything, life would be far too dull!
I've actually never found a person I agree with 100%, not even my husband! LOL But, he's entitled to be wrong every once in a while, right? LOLOL
I think that we all get too carried away from time to time when we are passionate about something we feel deeply about. I know I do. And I never mean to cross those lines and hurt anyone's feelings. That is never my intention.
My partner and I argue all of the time, although she is usually right! Most of the time, she stops me from doing stupid things!
Guilty as charged - My grandfather, a truly great man, always taught me to try to see the other person's viewpoint when arguing with someone. I always try to be repectful when arguing face to face. On the internet, it is all to easy to forget that the person on the other end is a thinking and feeling human being, not a faceless avatar!
I think you are right about the computer thing. Hiding behind an avi or 2 or 3 or 4 as some do on here is kinda easier than seeing a person at the store and talking to them. If you have 4 personalities on here, you can aruge every side of a point LOL. Also, from the other side, you don't know that person, although you think you might and when you read words and are not able to see a person's face or hear their voice, things can be taken wrong. There is one person on here that comes across as mad to me in about all of their posts, yet that person claims not to be. I am only one of a number of people who have told this hubber that. So, I am not alone in feeling this way. But, only that person knows if they are mad or not. I guess it would be good if we could find a way of stating what we say so we come across showing our real feelings. It's just hard to do with words only I think.
Also, good to know she stops you from doing stupid things, LOL, that's what we are put here for hahahahahha!!
Agreed - whilst there are many excellent reasons for using an avatar, I do like to see the person. Again, I do not always manage to practice what I preach, but I try to imagine sitting opposite them having a coffee.
Don't know the Hubber, but I bet that you would have a very nice conversation if you were all sat face to face. You are right about not hearing the voice - online, it is difficult to see if somebody is upset or not.
Sorry - I sound like I am taking the moral high ground. I can be an opinionated Northerner sometimes, so I am definitely not whiter than white!
That reminds me - now that Christmas is over, I must change the avatar back. I use Hubpages as a sample for clients, so I might not be giving the best impression!
Well, since we are all human, I don't think anyone practices what they preach 100% of the time. I know I don't, even though I try.
Lol - I am sure that you do. You have certainly taught me not to be so judgmental, so thank you for the lesson :)
It just goes to show - we disagree on many things but can still agree on others and have a wonderful and interesting conversation. I have never been to the US, so it is nice to find out a little more about the real people, not the stereotyped Hollywood versions!
I taught YOU something about being judgmental!?!?!? Sorry, I think I just fainted. This has to be a groundbreaking post. Most people on here would laugh at you for saying that. But I do appreciate it and that we are talking without fighting. That's always positive.
I'm not a big fan of Hollywood. When you put your hopes on people like that, you'll always be in for a huge disappointment. They are only humans too, although sometimes it seems they and the world forget that. I guess it's a surreal experience that they have. I'd rather have my life though. I think I'd always wonder, if I were a celebrity, if the people around me are really my friends or are around me for my money, exposure, etc. But, if you're like me, poor and normal, you know who your friends are. LOL
Well, I am late once again. Glad to know you are feeling better ASU. I didn't know you had something going on last night and I apologize for that. I pray healing over your body right now in the name of Jesus Christ.
Verse of the day is Pro 14:12 There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.
As wise as Solomon was, he failed miserably. We all have many times over. I heard a song last night about Hosea going to the brothel to get Gomer, (his wife). He sold everything he had to buy her back. Once he bought her, he had the right to kill her or do anything he wanted with her. He just took her home.
So many times in my life the Lord has come to get me and take me home to where I needed to be. God gave everything He had so that He could bring us all home.
Lord let us be humble, but bold before you and men. Let go anywhere we can Lord, except back. Let us not preach our beliefs or our words, but your Word Lord. In Jesus mighty name.
Glory to God forevermore \o/
For Sufi and ASU. I practice what I preach all the time. I hope one of these days I will get right. :P
Thanks SirDent. I really appreciate the prayers. I never turn one down. They are working!!! Good to see you :)
The plan right now is going to the doctor tomorrow. I'll know more then.
Thanks SirDent. I really appreciate the prayers. I never turn one down. They are working!!! Good to see you :)
The plan right now is going to the doctor tomorrow. I'll know more then.
lol - I did mean that, ASU. Going back to VP's topic, I was guilty of playing 'Stump the RWCF'. I get annoyed when many Americans assume that Europeans are all evil socialists/borderline commies, but I was doing exactly the same thing in reverse.
Whilst we may have debate again in the future, now I will remember that there is a person at the other end, and try not to be so aggressive.
Edit - Hope that the visit to the doctor goes OK tomorrow. :)
I'll try to remember that also. Thanks for the well wishes.
I guess I never really thought of many countries being socialists or commies besides Russia, China and Cuba. (those are the ones who jump to my mind first) You are in a free country right?
One of the most free of all - the Greeks suffered under a fascist regime only 35 years ago, so do not like too much governmental interference. Greece is now my adopted home and I love it dearly.
In Europe, most people are 'left of centre,' meaning that we believe in a healthcare system and state-run education system. A few of your compatriots (Hubpages is probably not a representative sample!) believe that this is only one step away from a totalitarian regime. Looks like I made another incorrect assumption!
I totally agree with not liking much governmental interference. That's one of my biggest pet peeves. I guess if you've seen me post much, you knew that lol. I want them as far out of my business as possible. I guess that might be the redneck rebel in me. (we rednecks don't like being told what to do much. I'm sure you know about our Civil War) I live out in the woods, carry a .45, hunt and fish. Y'all probably have more lady-like women there than I am.
Lol - You must meet a Spartan woman sometime. I would not get on the wrong side of one!
With you on the governmental thing - the only difference is that we believe that healthcare and education should be funded by taxation. Apart from that, there does not appear to be much difference in our points of view.
Off to bed now - Enjoyed the conversation very much.
Goodnight Folks!
I enjoyed it too. Hope you have a good night.
There was a request and I answered it by making this hub if anyone would like to see it:
Sufidreamer;
How wonderful it was to see your conversation. I am not sure I have seen you around, but I will in the future. Thank you for the insight with Allshookup. Greece is a very historic country with a very rich heritage. I have always imagined it would be spectacular to live there. I look forward to seeing you around...
Allshookup;
You have had such a rough time. I am so sorry, and I pray things take a big turn for the better real soon. I am glad that you are better today. That was a big scare last night. We will continue our prayers, and it is great to see things go well.
As I said to Sufidreamer, it was nice to see you all just being open and real. Please let me know how your doctor visit goes. God bless you.
Thanks so much VP. It was scary last night! I didn't know what was going on at all. I don't remember much of it. And I still don't know why. I'll report in when I find out what the doctor says. Your prayers are greatly appreciated. As you see, they are working!!
ASU,
I believe that God's most hated misdeeds are Murder and adultary, so in contrast, his literal purpose of being is life and fidelity. These two things he cares about the most; your's, mine, and everyone else's lives are the most precious things to him. Even fidelity (or faithfulness) towards him is above all other things.
Amid the storms of life there is no fear in knowledge; because He is at the helm, he is steering the ship, our lives, our economy, our government, everything is in his hands. God, angels, and the heavens are more real than the air which we now breath!!
Be safe!
I woke up this morning thinking ot how the Bible has stood as the pillar of wisdom for 2000 years.
Then, I made the mistake of going on the religion forum and reading blasphemy from the usual suspects. There was absolutely not one word of wisdom in their writing in the many pages I read. I saw insults against us, blasphemy, factual errors, errors of judgement, etc.
I found myself wanting to respond in defense of Jesus. I knew that all it would accomplish is to start up WWIII, so I resisted the temptation. Whenever any one of us makes a true statement to those people, they all gang up and write intense insults against us which are unfounded and foolish. I wonder if that will ever stop making me mad.
My personal favorite type of post from the blasphemy gang is when they say we are not loving like we should be, then say what mean people we are and write a few paragraphs of intensely angry insults. Go figure...
Thanks VP - I am on a one man mission to try and reconcile science and religion!
I have tried reading through the comments but there are too many! I will pop in from time to time, if that is OK.
Hope that everything goes well at the doctors, ASU :)
Ecc 12:13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.
Ecc 12:14 For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil.
Good afternoon everyone. :)
Sufidreamer;
Rectifying science and religion is a good pursuit. There is quite a lot to it. My personal bias is to believe religion because the Bible always seems to win out. I like to say that it is infallible. Science seems to have so many variable theories that change with the times. What was true ten years ago is very different today in many ways.
Definitely do stop by whenever you want. Many people on hp think I bite, but I really don't.
VP,
Nobody is perfect, that's why we have to believe in the atonement of Christ. God, being perfectly just in all things, and thus bound to irevocable justice would not allow any unclean thing in his presence or to dwell therin. therefore a sacrifice has to be made to pay the debt of justice for all mankind, it's pure physics.
How else would the world, universe, and every intelligence in existance honor God if he allowed it, accept there be a sacrifice made in our place, one so unjust for somone who lived an unspotted life?
You would think that all of the children of Israel would accept this culminating moment in the history of the world. There is a connection between the laws of animal sacrifice and the sacrifice of Jesus. If I lived in those times and partook in those rituals one might ask, "God want's me to kill this lamb so that my sins will be removed, what!?" it doesn't make sense unless it is a prefigure to a higher law, or a similitude thereof.
Have patience brother! he came into the world and the world recieved him not.
Thanks VP - No worries.
The debate is certainly very interesting - the fact that we can all have conversations with people on the other side of the world shows that science can be a great force for good.
Unfortunately, many scientists seem to have forgotten ethics, which is a major concern. We should not do something just because we 'can.' You nailed the problem exactly - science is meant to be a constantly changing field. The problem is that some see theories as unarguable fact.
PS - I would greatly appreciate it if one of you swings by my hubs when you have news of ASU. Thanks :)
Sufi & VP - {{You nailed the problem exactly - science is meant to be a constantly changing field. The problem is that some see theories as unarguable fact.}}
Generally, scientists understand well that the stuff of knowledge is undisproven hypotheses, not verified truths (which is logically impossible). Unfortunately, most journalists and commentators have no such understanding and constantly misrepresent science to the public, who follow their lead.
Religion is based on faith. And faith is simply the choice to believe something that might not be true. To me, this is closing an open question, not something I need or want to do. Those that do may be comforted by their new-found certainties, but would do well to remember that they are only 'certainties' relative to that first irrational step which many do not take.
Agreed, Paraglider.
Unfortunately, as shown by the Global Warming debate, amongst others, the media and politicians make genuine research practically impossible. Pseudoscience sells newspapers more effectively than genuine research, and the scientific method has become the plaything of politicians and activists.
My particular interest is in the field of ethics, where scientists have been guilty of crossing the line. Whilst religion gives a moral code, that is by no means the only way. For example, I am pretty sure that if you came across an exploitative or harmful practice, you would be one of the first to condemn it. Philosophy is crucial to science and ethics, and provides us with another valid viewpoint.
Where the ethical line falls is a different issue, and is certainly coloured by personal morals, religious affiliation and culture. Every individual has their own interpretation of what constitutes unethical practice, which is where many of the difficulties lie. People have passionate and conflicting views upon vivisection, for example, and that is an area for which science alone cannot provide all of the answers.
Paraglider;
For you, religion or faith is an irrational step. For me, it is the only logical step. You have stated before that your experiences and mine are very diverse. I have been given aid by an angel and fought and defeated satan. For me, those are just facts. It would be irrational to disregard those facts. You have had no such experiences, as I understand you. Thus, you think my belief is irrational I take it. That may be a bit extreme, if I read you right. I think you are saying it is irrational for you. I have never known you to impose your beliefs on others, and that is probably the case this time.
I think Sufidreamer is correct that all our realities are different. Our experiences and gifts are diverse. That is the beauty of life.
There are far too many coincidences for me to disbelieve in religion, despite my personal experiences. I think it is irrational to believe that this all happened by circumstance either. I find it hard to believe that the Bible is such a miraculous book of righteous wisdom after thousands of years of existnece. There are many good books, but that one stands far apart from all others in my opinion.
We could both go on and on, of course. My point is simply that Christianity does not seem irrational to me, as it does to you. It does not mean that either of us is a bad person either. I think we have found a good path to deal with these issues. I just believe we have both closed off our minds to another real possibility. Still, we have enough intelligence to keep watching...
Sufidreamer;
Thank you for your concern for Allshookup. I will keep you posted, if you do not pick up the news here first.
Onusonus, Thanks so much for the post to me. It means a lot. Your words are always deep and meaningful. It's so wonderful to know that God is in control. I think we kinda forget that at times and try to fix things ourself. I know I am guilty of it sometimes. But, with all that is going on, it's such a comfort to be able to let go of things and know God is gonna take care of it and take care of me too! Thanks again.
VP, It's hard sometimes to not respond to some comments, especially if you feel really passionate about them. Sometimes I feel I should respond, sometimes not. Also, there's times when I feel that I should say something in support of someone in there who is getting trashed and seems alone and needs to know that they aren't alone in how they feel. I don't really know when it's best to post or not in there. I just try hard not to let myself get too involved in it because I think there are some who don't want to discuss things, but their only goal is to get under people's skin. But, if it seems someone wants to actually talk about something, I do. I guess it's hard to know. Thanks for your prayers and support.
SirDent, thank you for the Scripture and prayers. As always, I appreciate you and what you represent here on hubpages.
Sufi, thanks for the prayers and well wishes. I like your avi much better now. Keep this one!
Ok, about my doctors appointment. He took a lot of blood to test. All of them are not back, of course. But we did find out one thing, I am anemic (he said this has to do with me being on Coumadin). And he also said I am run down. That I've been trying to do too much when I need to rest. That's my fault. So, I have to use more discipline. I see 2 more doctors on Monday and my doctor here is going to talk to them. He is wanting me to have some IVs (iron, etc). But, since I have those 2 appointments Monday, he decided to wait on the IV until I see them and then discuss what all of their test show. That way the rest of the blood tests will be back and they'll know everything. I'm supposed to be eating red meats as much as possible and resting. And I have 2 deer in the freezer, so they are fixing to come in handy. One of the doctors is going to check my heart out Monday. Not sure what all that will entail yet. It was beating hard yesterday and was fast. They want to check that out futher.
I really appreciate all the prayers from all of you. Prayer works, I'm proof of it. Thank y'all so much!
Thanks ASU - Glad to hear that you are OK
The Queen Avatar visited for the Christmas silly season! Normal service is now resumed.
It sounds like the doctors are getting somewhere, so I hope that it all works out. If you get bored of red meat, I have some high iron veggie recipes - let me know. Mind you, I hear that deer tastes good, so maybe you won't need them. Take a rest and make sure that you put some time aside for yourself!
VP - Thanks for letting me know. Have a great evening and thanks for the hospitality.
Allshookup;
You are so brave! You are such a trooper to always act like it is just routine work.
I am sure you know that your courage is a real example for us to not take things for granted. You have to fight for all you have right now. I pray that everything will level out here very soon for you and your family.
Thanks for setting such a great example. God bless you and your family.
VP, Thanks so much for the support. Although I don't feel much like a trooper. The prayers are very very welcome and needed!
Woke up at 3:30 this morning after having a dream and this scripture immediately came to me when I woke.
Joh 9:4 I must work the works of him that sent me, while it is day: the night cometh, when no man can work.
Not sure what the dream means but will find out when the Lord reveals it to me.
Glory to God Forevermore \o/
Joh 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
Joh 14:7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.
Good Morning my friends. :D
Just checking in. SirDent, I posted to you about that Scripture you dreamed about, but it must not have taken. It's not on here. Sorry. My computer has a mind of it's own.
VP, I see you're standing strong as always. I am just not up to their games on the forums. I tried, then decided I needed rest more than to be talked to like that. All I was trying to do was help. I don't want to see any of them go to hell no matter how much they hate me. What they think of me is not important. It's what they do with Jesus that's important.
Great posts by you too Onusonus. Not a shock :)
I just wanted to say hi. I went to church this morning. We had a great service. Turned out to last 3 hours lol. I have posted to a couple hubs, but mostly I'm just sitting or laying down. Tomorrow I have 2 doctors appointments in Memphis, so I doubt I'll be on tomorrow. But, I'll check in soon as I feel up to it. That trip usually takes it toll and since they'll take 14-18 viles of blood, I usually feel kinda weak after it. I should be on Tuesday if nothing changes. Thank all of you for your support and prayers. My prayer is that God bless all of you so much that you have to drink from your saucer because your cup will be overflowed.
Allshookup;
I pray that your doctor's appointment goes well tomorrow. I wish that I could lend any advice, but it seems like you are handling things in a terrific way. I pray that they break the code on your blood issuies and fix you up 100%.
The religion forum is getting so far out there. I really can't believe the comments there. The bad part is I think they are serious. That is hard for me to believe. I almost never bother with it, but I did notice you there. I agree with you that it may be time to lay low and see if you can get healed up. Plus, your family has a great need from you, too. I am sure you are already pulled in many different directions. I completely disagree with the way that they treat you (and me), but I do consider it a compliment that they do not like me.
Joh 14:16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
Joh 14:17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
Thank you Jesus for the Holy Ghost who never lies.
How's it going fellas. I've got about six inches of snow falling at my front door! Man those anti religion people realy try to get a rise out of us don't they? I'm pretty thick skinned though, ofcourse I have to be working around salty sailors all the time.
TTFN!
Mat 24:7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.
Mat 24:8 All these are the beginning of sorrows.
Mat 24:9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.
Mat 24:10 And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.
Mat 24:11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
Mat 24:12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.
Mat 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
Glory to God forevermore.\o/ We must hold on until the end. No weapon formed against us can prosper.
Onusonus;
God is totally faithful to His Word. We are to spread the gospel to the ends of the world. Jesus told His disciples that they would be persecuted just for saying His name. We are to find joy in every situation. I find that most of the BS on the religion forum is so foolish that it cannot even be woven back into reality. It is totally from left field, and no wise person would do anything but shake their head and laugh. That amazes me that anyone could be willing to look like such an idiot.
Then there are those who claim religious belief and blow like the wind from one false doctrine to another.
Yes, there are a few who just want be a pain and openly admit it. Others are more coy in their attacks against Christians for some reason or another.
I am not sure what profile is worse. I guess it depends on the level of nasty insults they level and how far they want to carry it, in my opinion. I think ignorance of the subject is the biggest problem there. They have never seriously studied the Bible, and they have some huge thorn that they do not want to disclose. I have found that treatment requires getting to the heart of the problem. That has not happened here, to my knowledge at all. There is actually dgo at stake which also amazes me. None of us will likely ever meet on this earth, so why not just be open (not you)?
Paraglider stands out to me as someone who does not share my faith, but is someone of honor, wisdom and decency. He does not play the silly games that others play on hp. I am always glad to see him. I like Terenceyyap07 (sp?), too, while he seems to have a different faith. He is very peaceful about it.
I wonder if change for the better is possible...
very nicely wrtitten article
Lgali;
Thanks for your support. I am always glad to read positive comments. We try to have a supportive group here, and you are more than welcome. I appreciate you saying such a nice thing.
I've been trying to break throgh the sarcasm so people can express their heartfelt opinions and bridge the path to inspiration and ultimately heavenly concieved godliness!!
I've just been reading mostly and shaking my head.
Onusonus;
I think your approach has been terrific. Believe me, your recpetion has been much better than mine. Frankly, I think only Allshookup gets them riled up like me, lol. I need to keep her off the front line until she feels better for her good - albeit to the detriment of conveying His message.
I hope I have not contirbuted to building up sarcasm. It is just that there is not a legitimate response I can come up with to some of the pure BS. I don't like to just ignore a comment addressed directly to me.
SirDent also gives this his best efforts. I know he spends a huge amount of time and energy fighting this battle, too. He has broken down a lot of the barriers for us, as he is the hp pioneer. He also calls it right for Him, and he will not pull punches if they are deserved. His hubs are getting a lot of traffic, it seems, and that is outstanding. He goes to great pains to create them. I send lots of people there.
I pray for all of us that we will find success for Him. Thanks for serving Him with courage and conviction.
SirDent;
Quit shaking your head at me like me that, lol. I go through periods where I am just amazed at the nonsense. Well, this is one of those periods like you say, SirDent.
Growing up, my parents were never ever sarcastic with eachother, so when I was first introduced to it, I was completely unarmed at the playground, Me-"Mom these kids are saying all this stuff thats realy mean, what should I say back?" Mom- "Just say, hay I don't appreciate that!" thank's alot mom.
viralprospector says:6 hours ago
SirDent;
Quit shaking your head at me like me that, lol. I go through periods where I am just amazed at the nonsense. Well, this is one of those periods like you say, SirDent.
SirDent: Sorry VP. I just can't help it.
Thanks VP - I value that comment :)
Good morning.
I will return to building my shed today. It was good to hang out at the religion forum yesterday to see that nothing has changed. I do miss seeing Sandra around. While I am confident that we are not spiritually on the same path at the moment, I like her sense of humor. A couple of others are quick witted, too.
As for people who admit that they just come here to antagonize others, no thanks. They are like flies on you know what, too. You cannot go there without them butting in and screwing it all up. Then, when he and his followers are left with their keisters in their hands defeated, in comes the cavalry to muck up the thread. This website clearly has the worst religion forum on the internet.
So, I am out of there. Still, when God claims victory, it is ours. When it resorts to name calling and total foolishness, it is time for me to go. I am prone to dissect every foolish lie and throw it in their face. It will not stop it (and maybe inflame it), and nothing will change as a result. It just shows that there is not a bit of class there. That is where it is now.
I invited them all here to neutral territory, by the way. I am confident none of them will have the courage to go to neutral ground. If they do, I hope you all are not too mad at me. I will not waste the time, though, to trade insults with ten or so at a time.
how can you call this neutral territory? Are you serious? Have you read your own hub? It is a blatant invitation to a fight!! Maybe you've forgotten what you wrote all the way back at the beginning of all these comments.
2Co 2:15 For we are unto God a sweet savour of Christ, in them that are saved, and in them that perish:
2Co 2:16 To the one we are the savour of death unto death; and to the other the savour of life unto life. And who is sufficient for these things?
2Co 2:17 For we are not as many, which corrupt the word of God: but as of sincerity, but as of God, in the sight of God speak we in Christ.
Good Morning Everyone. \o/
My troll is back. About every twenty posts of mine on the religion forum brings back my troll, I figure.
Yep, there is no sarcasm in the hub written here. It was totally serious.
In all seriousness, though, people of gret wisdom routinely come here in peace. A few fools venture in to start a fight, but they are shown to be what they are. Fools are fools, and wise people are wise people. Where that can be shown without a bunch of lies and insults, that is neutral territory.
I just wanted to thank all of you who have been praying for me and wishing me well. I ended up seeing 3 doctors yesterday. They found out I am anemic and rundown. (something I was told last week.) All of the blood work is not back yet from what they took yesterday. I'll find out more later. Also we found out that my spinal fluid is not draining properly (due to the Coumadin), and that is putting pressure on my eyes and brain, which is causing a good deal of pain. I started a new medicine last night that is supposed to help with that. It will take a week or so for us to see if it is working. The only other option is to go into my spine and drain it and with me on Coumdain, they don't want to do that because it would be dangerous. So, taking meds is the safest route if it will work. I want to thank you for your prayers. It rained all day yesterday and temp was in the low 30s. We sure needed traveling graces and we got them! They have scheduled an MRI for me next week to check out the clot. They think it may have grown some because of the pain and tenderness I have in my left side and stomach and leg. They are going to run some dye and see how it looks. We are starting school back today since yesterday we were gone all day. I just wanted to come in and thank y'all for the support and prayers. They are working. And they mean so much to me.
Seems I missed a lot while I was gone so I gotta go read and catch up on what I missed! I hope all of you are having a great day!
VP - you were just fine on that thread until I challenged you with the truth about yourself. You had no problem bickering and arguing in circles with everyone else, but as soon as i threw the truth into your face, you cowered away. That's because you cannot face the the real fire when it comes to you. You feed off of people who aren't yet wise to your BS. Then when someone like me happnes along, you tuck tail and run.
Maestrowhit;
How long have you been out of the mental hospital where you were committed? I read on your huib that it was fairly recently, given that you are fairly young.
How old are you? Mid to late 20s?
Well, let me inform you of a couple of things. Mental patients require recovery. I have put up with your charade more than I should have. So you knw, I go to mental hospitals from time to time, too, as a counselor. Quit trying to act like you have life figured out. Obviously, a mental patient has a lot to learn about life.
Look I am tired of you and your incessant trolling. I do not care one bit what a mental problem youth thinks of my ideas. In fact, it is a relief that you disagree with me. I am not asking to like me or what I think, just get off my back. I am not here to fight, but I am more than capable of doing so. Enough of this trolling occurred quite a while back. I have tried to be patient with you, but that time is over.
It will not calm down from here. You asked for it, and I will be happy to deliver.
Allshookup;
Thanks for the update. I wish I was a doctor to give some advice to you to help you. Anything I might say, though, would just be speculation. I just keep praying that it will all come together, and God will make you better than ever.
Medicines scare me. It seems like they can often get confusing which way is the right way to go. I also pray that the medicines work perfectly for you, if you have to take them.
God bless you.
There are a lot of reasons that people wind up in a mental hospital, and lack of intelligence is not one of them.
You are acting like you have no part in this problem between you and I. You're acting like I'm just badgering you for no reason at all. You are a complete jerk to people on this website. You plaster the name of God all over yourself and then act like the devil. It's disgusting. Just one example of that is what you just did to me. You had nothing left to go on so you brought up the fact of my history in mental health. That is a cheap, low blow. DO you think Jesus would've done that? Do you think God is up on His throne smiling down on you for saying that to me? Is that the kind of behavior that you recommend others to engague in?
You do a disservice to the Christian faith over and over on this website. You portray Christianity as something that is reprehensible at best, because you treat other people with nastiness and hatred. You are a walking double standard and you use all of your efforts on here to cover up that glaringly obvious fact.
Thanks VP. I am not a fan of meds, although right now I have to take them. The Coumadin is nothing but Decon rat killer, but it keeps the clot from growing. Yes, it's scary to take. I have to have my blood checked often. (Supposed to be checking it every 48 hours as it's very fickle) But, again, I'm thankful I have it. I hope the new meds work because I don't like the thought of them messing with my spine. I really do appreciate your prayers and continued support. It means a great deal to me.
Maestrowhit;
Not that trolling has anything religious to it, but I do think God wants you to get better someday.
How is the rehabilitation of the inability to cope with life coming anyway? When people cannot cope with life of their own, they sure should not be out looking for a fight with those who can and have for many decades. So, I will just visit about mental illnesses with you from here on. Do the doctors think you will get better after a while?
Allshookup;
Try not to catch up on what you missed too hard. As you can see from my resident troll, things have been normal/absurd here. This mess can't possibly be good for any of us...
I haven't got much into all of that today. I've kinda laid low and just posted on my hubs mostly. Trying to chill and follow drs orders. I'm being good, or at least trying LOL
Please don't stop VP, I'm really enjoying this.
Goldentoad;
Thanks fior the encouragement. I wish there were more around like you.
Unfortunately, wehn the cavalry of atheists arrives, it becomes too time consuming for me to hang out and keep things on track. As I said, I have more on my plate than allows me that freedom right now.
However, look out for the next lousy day in DFW, I will be back to clean house again.
Whenever you have some good ones to share, though, stop in. If you hang out on the religion forum, you will read volumes of unbelievable information. I am sure it will be good for some laughs. See you around...
Allshookup;
It does sound like you need to take it easy. OK, well that is not exactly doctor's advice, just VP worrying about you...
How's the rest of the family doing by the way, husband, father-in-law and grandmother? We continue to pray for you all.
you clearly have a very narrow understanding of mental illness. It seems your definition is of it is an inability to deal with life.
VP, you never have anything to come at me with except this kind of sleezy defensiveness. Do you realize that you have just contradicted yourself? In the last comment you addressed to me, you said that you would not let off from here on in. You said that it would not calm down from here on because "I asked for it."
What changed? Didn't you mean what you said? Or are you going to pawn it off as sarcasm? Now you're backing out once again. That sure didn't last very long. What's the matter?
Oh, and to educate you about mental illness (since you seem to have lumped all mental illnesses into one category so that you can look down on me) what do you think about the following people - all of whom suffered from mental illnesses:
Isaac Newton
Abraham Lincoln
Winston Churchill
Charles Dickens
Buzz Aldrin
Ernest Hemingway
According to you, none of these people are worth listening to because none of them are as capable as you are in handling their lives. I guess now that you know that, you should probably forget everything these people accomplished because it couldn't possibly have anything to offer someone so properly put together as yourself.
VP,I believe it was a low blow you made on Maestro. I hate to post it here in the open but I feel I must. Personal attacks just don't work. I hope you too can work out some type of agreement or understanding, even if it is to separate form one another and never answer the other's post or coment on a hub. There is no meat in the way it is going now.
yeah real low kick to the balls on that comment about mental illness. obviously someone doesn't get how all that stuff works...and I've sat in many a biology/chemistry class in college that provided scientific support for chemical inbalances. It's awfully harsh to tell someone with an illness that they just merely have the inability to cope. Bet my great-grandmother with her mental illness would be very, very hurt from a comment as that.
Sirdent, and TK - thank you guys. That's very cool of you to stick up for me like that. If it means anything to you, you ust earned a lot of respect from me - both of you. Not everyone is sympathetic to the issue of mental health. I get antagonism even from my own family members. Some people simply don't understand it.
Maestro, you have also given out your share of lowblows. I am not sticking up for you as I am sticking up for Jesus. He is the reason I say what I say and do what I do. He is my very reason for living.
I have dealt with mental illnesses quite often. Some I have helped, others I tried but couldn't help. I am not a licensed counselor, but I am a child of the King.
It's hard to help people with illogical illnesses. Until we further explore the area of neuropathy we won't really know what makes us tick. We are built with millions of chemical reactions, and it only takes a few flukes to offset the balance.
Sirdent - well, whatever your motives were, you still earned my respect. And you were sticking up for me in effect, if not in deed. I have yet to see you present yourself as anything but what you claim to be. You're a Christian in every sense of the word, and your behavior adheres to your claims. That is commendable. VP could learn a thing or two from you. It's people like you who attract potential followers to the faith. You give Christianity the best face that is possible for it. At least so far as i can see, that is.
Yes TK, but God can heal them all. One must simply have faith and do it according to the Holy Ghost.
Maestro, VP is on his way. Just as I am on my way. We get frustrated at times just like anyone else does. We say things we regret just like others do.
He can heal but there are times He doesn't. Same ting with cancer, you know?
The difference is that some of us can admit when we behave wrongly, and some of us avoid doing that at all costs.
Nuttiest nuts who ever nutted! Great hub though.
DJ Funktual, I'm with you, I thought everyone would have just gotten a room by now
Joh 9:1 And as Jesus passed by, he saw a man which was blind from his birth.
Joh 9:2 And his disciples asked him, saying, Master, who did sin, this man, or his parents, that he was born blind?
Joh 9:3 Jesus answered, Neither hath this man sinned, nor his parents: but that the works of God should be made manifest in him.
Good Morning Friends.
Where Truth and Loyalty are absent, satan reigns.
I know that MW has felt like everyone has been against him for a long time. Even when we try and help others, they don't always realize it. There are times to be a little rough and ride in like the cavalry, but then there are times to be patient.
Doing and saying things to have fun is not always a good thing. One must rely upon the Holy Ghost to lead and guide.
I have no idea how to handle it myself, but God certainly does. There have been times that God said, "Let them go."
I count it a blessing when a true friend delivers a “wound” to me from the Lord, but I’m distrustful of the deceitful kisses of the enemies of the Lord. Blessings ~ eddie
Faithful are the wounds of a friend, but the kisses of an enemy are deceitful. Proverbs 27:6 NKJV
"Behold, happy is the man whom God corrects; Therefore do not despise the chastening of the Almighty. For He bruises, but He binds up; He wounds, but His hands make whole. Job 5:17-18 NKJV
Let the righteous strike me; It shall be a kindness. And let him rebuke me; It shall be as excellent oil; Let my head not refuse it. For still my prayer is against the deeds of the wicked. Psalms 141:5 NKJV
For a righteous man may fall seven times and rise again, But the wicked shall fall by calamity. Proverbs 24:16 NKJV
VP, if you had any knowledge about mental illness or counseling whatsoever, you would know that there are literally thousands of different mental illnesses, and most of them are very different. The fact that you presume to know my past condition without first learning the details of my particular case, is evidence that you don't know what you're talking about. I mean, you don't know one single piece of information about my case other than that I went into a hospital. You're funny
So now arises the issue of you thinking and claiming that you have done nothing to deserve my "trolling" you. I'll lay it out to you plainly, VP. You make me sick with the way you treat people and the way you don't own up to your mistakes. You dish out spite, hatred, self-righteousness, arrogance, and just plain nastiness - all in the name of GOD! My whole problem with you started a long time ago when you started dishing that crap out to me, thinking I was just another ordinary hubber who was going to let it go. Well, I won't stand for it. I won't let you do it to me, and I won't let you do it to anyone else. I've told you twice before what it is that I want from you. If you do that, then I'll leave you alone. But keep acting like you do, and you're never going to get rid of me. Every time you are a jerk to someone in the name of God, there's going to be MW right there to nail you. You can count on it.
You obviously cannot handle me. That's because you've made a lifestyle out of ignoring the truth about yourself, and that's just what I throw at you - the truth. You don't know what to do with it, do you? Should you face it? Should you run away? You've attempted both in less than three comments. I'm glad to see I'm having an effect on you.
Look, VP. I just want you to live up to your own claims. That's all. Say what you do and do what you say. If you're a bottom-dealing jerk, then be that way all the time without exception. If you're a loving, patient, wise, kind, virtuous follower of Christ, then be that way all the time without exception - like SirDent. You're neither hot or cold. You're neither black or white. You're luke warm, and I will not make it easy for you. Pick a side and stick with it.
Maestro, you are not helping the situation at all. I said nothing about VP not being hot nor cold.
I know you didn't - I did. That's the whole reason why I am even here. I wasn't responding to you. There wouldn't be a situation if I hadn't come on here to confront him in the first place. I'm not trying to help the situation, I'm trying to get VP to behave in a respectable manner. As long as he acts like a jerk in the name of God and Christianity, he's going to get resistance from me. All he has to do is make some sacrifices and this can end. I'll go on like this till the end of time, no problem. So it's up to him.
Does DFW mean Dumb Frickin Whiteboy!? We are talkin about TEXAS. LOL
Does DFW mean Dumb Frickin Whiteboy!? We are talkin about TEXAS. LOL
Fight, fight, fight!!!!
I go to bed and look what I miss.
Hope everyone is doing good today. It's cold and rainy here. A blessing to be in a warm home.
We are studying World History right now. Just wanted to check in.
VP, thanks for asking about my grandmother. She is still very weak and we are still taking turns staying with her, but a couple of cousins are easing my load for a little while right now so I can just stay home and chill out a little bit. They are concerned about my blood pressure being so high. It's normally 85/47 or so. So, 148/112 was kinda a shock to us. That's what it was the last time we cheked it. I'm trying to follow orders and just chill for a little while, hoping that that will help the blood pressure. I appreciate them doing this for me. But, it worries me that it's making life harder on them. What would help a lot is if she'd not get up and walk around constantly. She's not steady on her feet, but she wont listen to us even though it's for her own good. She's going to fall again and she refuses to use a cane or walker. There is no shame in that if you need it. She's hardheaded! And I wonder where I get my hardheadedness from? LOL
VP, I think it's time to swallow up that pride and offer up a hearty handshake to Maestrowhit! yaddya say?
DJ and Goldentoad, you need to grow up.
2Co 4:3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:
2Co 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
2Co 4:5 For we preach not ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord; and ourselves your servants for Jesus' sake.
2Co 4:6 For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.
Good Morning everyone. \o/
1Co 6:1 Dare any of you, having a matter against another, go to law before the unjust, and not before the saints?
1Co 6:2 Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?
1Co 6:3 Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?
Good morning VP and friends. \o/
VP - haven't seen you on hubpages in a few days. I didn't mean to run you off. There really can be peace between you and I. Hope all is well with you.
VP and other friends,
allshookup posted an update on my prayer hub last night. I know that many of you are interested. I won't re post it here, but you are all welcome to read her update there and respond there if you want.
In any case, she needs our continued prayer.
Thank you ~ eddie
VP,I just wanted to say here that I feel your pain in the moment. I am thankful that you have a wonderful Christian friend like SirDent. I do agree with him, but my heart still breaks for you and I know that God’s message was better coming through him because of the Christian bond you two have. Our prayers are with you. ~ eddie
I will say I struggled with posting that comment before. I prefer to do things like that in private, but it was already done openly. I also feel your pain VP, whether you believe me or not. I still love you and am here for you.
My latest hub is http://hubpages.com/hub/John316
VP, if you are not coming back please let us know. We want you to come back, but it is up to you.
yeah, dude. come back!!
Joh 3:30 He must increase, but I must decrease.
Joh 3:31 He that cometh from above is above all: he that is of the earth is earthly, and speaketh of the earth: he that cometh from heaven is above all.
Good Morning friends. \o/
I have decided I will no longer post here until VP comes back. It takes forever for the page to load anyway and sometimes I have to refresh it to get the comment box to work. I may create a new hub for posting daily scriptures, but I am not sure of that at this time.
When we allow the enemy to steal our joy, we lose our strength, for the joy of the Lord is our strength.
God bless everyone who has posted here.
VP, SirDent and other friends.
allshookup posted an update on my prayer hub last night concerning her father in law. I know that many of you are interested. I won't re post it here, but you are all welcome to read her update there and respond there or here if you want. In any case, her and her family need our continued prayer.
Thank you ~ eddie
I'd like to thank Eddie for sharing my prayer request with y'all. I posted on his 'Bible Prayer' hub that is for prayer requests. I was going to leave a note on here for y'all to go to Eddie's hub to see it but it was taking so long for this hub to load, I had to just shut down so we could go. Thank all of you for your prayers for our family. We are home resting right now. All of your support and prayers mean a great deal to us.
VP, we miss you :( I hope you are ok. Please know you are greatly missed!!
I am on dialup and I think that that's the reason it takes so long for this particular hub to load. Any advice? Do any of you have the same problem? It also takes a very long time for what I type to post on this hub also. Just wondered if there's anything I can to make it work quicker for me.
Friends -
Q. What did they use in Zimbabwe before they had candles?
A. Electricity
OK, a joke, but let's remember that the real suffering in this world is more important than offenses, real or perceived, against anyone's notion of 'the truth'. We are all fallible. Probably we are all too proud. Put it down to the beautiful full moon and move on :)
SirDent has posted a prayer request on my prayer hub for his son.
God forbid that we should stop praying for one another.
Thanks ~ eddie
Just wanted to check in. I have been out a while, but I have still been praying for everyone. I hope everyone is doing ok. Seems quiet in here :( SirDent, I hope your son has improved. And Eddie, that your friends anlke/leg/foot is healing. VP, it's awful quiet without you :(
Had to jump on the bandwagon - came across your comments on another hub and had to follow you here. I like your style, my friend - a little levity with a little knowledge and common sense makes for a great conversation. Consider me a fan.
to each his own, anyway.. :)
The great thing about living in America is that everyone has the right to say what they want no matter if it hurts someone else. (to an extent) If everyone believed one way this country would not be any better than people having varied beliefs and being passionate about them. http://www.memphisroofingexperts.com is 100% American and will defend her to the end.
it will always nice to live in our freedom, we can do and think as we are!
viralprospector Hub Author 3 years ago
Well, we have a really good one to start this one off. Two of us Christians are posting on an atheist's hub, and he refuses to approve our comments. We didn't even say anything controversial. In fact, I just asked him why. He even blocked that. I sure would not want to give such a coward any press, so we can just discuss how pathetic that is.
What could be the purpose to come onto an open blog and then block the opposing viewpoint. Well, come on over here, man. We aren't blocking any comments.
I would never be so prejudiced to say anything about his group, just that he personally is a coward. Has anyone else had that happen?